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Neighbors Want Family's Handicap Ramp Removed
KKTV.com ^ | August 8, 2013 | Zak Sos

Posted on 08/12/2013 8:58:30 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A handicap ramp in front of a Fountain family's house is in the middle of a neighborhood squabble.

Vincent and Heidi Giesegh say their neighbors are threatening legal action if they don't remove the ramp. They say the next door couple is worried that the ramp will hurt the value of their home. The Giesegh's say they need it for their 16 year old daughter Kirsten who has Cerebral Palsy.

"As she goes into her spastic modes, we could just tumble down the stairs and both of us could get massively hurt," said Heidi Giesegh.

The Giesegh's neighborhood doesn't have an HOA, and the family says the City of Fountain told them it was ok to install the ramp and widen their driveway for a handicap van. 11 News went next door to get the neighbor's side of the story and they told us no comment.

"It's kind of irritating," said Vincent Giesegh. "I mean we're trying to do our best to assist our daughter with her daily needs to get in and out of the house."

The Giesegh's home is part of a community under construction. We reached out to the home's builder and they say they've also received complaints from the neighbors.

The Giesegh's say they've contacted the Rocky Mountain American Disability Center for help.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: bastards; disability; fountain; ramp
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1 posted on 08/12/2013 8:58:30 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If it looks like hell the neighbors could help get a good looking one if that is the issue, but the girl has needs and the reasonable use of a way to get into the home.

I know some things can be an eye sore if they make it badly, was that the case here?


2 posted on 08/12/2013 9:00:38 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

nope - concrete, well constructed, with a handrail.

neighbor gets a$$ of the year award.


3 posted on 08/12/2013 9:02:38 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: redlegplanner

No HOA then the neighbors have no say. People have to mind their own business.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 9:04:50 PM PDT by JMS
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If the neighbor doesn’t like the look of the ramp, he can spring for a wheel chair lift.


5 posted on 08/12/2013 9:07:18 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: A CA Guy

People never cease to amaze me. The neighbors don’t even have the balls to talk to the media. You would think they would speak if they believed their cause was just. They ain’t talking because they know they are dead wrong. Too late. The rest of the World already knows they are heartless asshats.


6 posted on 08/12/2013 9:07:26 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tabloid garbage to get people’s emotions stirred up. I bet the thread will go to 500 replies, especially if I say that I could care less (sic!) !


7 posted on 08/12/2013 9:09:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I bet the neighbors are Obama voters.


8 posted on 08/12/2013 9:10:37 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: sean327
The rest of the World already knows they are heartless asshats.

I personally think that they should be publicly shamed and shunned wherever they may go.

9 posted on 08/12/2013 9:15:26 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am in charge!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Do you have a link to a better alternative?


10 posted on 08/12/2013 9:16:13 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am in charge!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The ramp looks fine. The neighbors should be ashamed of themselves.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 9:20:29 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: redlegplanner
neighbor gets a$$ of the year award.

NO ONE is more than a traffic accident away from needing a ramp or more.

Karma can be a cruel b!tch.

Just sayin'...

12 posted on 08/12/2013 9:21:46 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Someone needs to tie that neighbor’s rear-end into a wheelchair for a week. They would have a different opinion after only a day, but only if they have a brain and a heart..... Which may be asking too much.

I broke my leg a month ago. I have always had compassion for those that are handicapped. Now I have even more compassion. It is hard out there to navigate up curbs, over thresholds and go long distances. It is exhausting.


13 posted on 08/12/2013 9:22:30 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: redlegplanner

Some shrubbery and flower beds could easily hide it. It looks relatively new, so many just not done yet. Or better yet, the neighbors volunteer to help the family install said plantings.


14 posted on 08/12/2013 9:23:12 PM PDT by matt04
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To: redlegplanner
nope - concrete, well constructed, with a handrail.

neighbor gets a$$ of the year award.

Without a picture, I am going to disagree here. An "afterthought" handicap ramp almost always looks awful. But, they are usually constructed of wood and are clearly temporary structures. When the need for the ramp ends, the ramp is dismantled and the eyesore is gone.

An afterthought concrete ramp is still an eyesore, but it is permanent.

I would have no problem at all with my neighbors building a temporary handicap ramp, but a serious problem with property value degradation if they built a permanent concrete one.

* * * * *

Before you start thinking this is unreasonable, DW and I are getting up in years, and I built a concrete handicap ramp into our retirement house. It is inside the garage and being part of the original design is not an eyesore. Not only that, but we keep the garage closed and no one even knows it is there.

We don't need it yet, but if we ever do it is available. And, anyone using the ramp is protected from the weather all the way into the car.

A little forethought and an eyesore can be turned into an asset.

15 posted on 08/12/2013 9:23:30 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: JMS

“No HOA”

Even with a HOA. They get to keep the ramp.


16 posted on 08/12/2013 9:25:28 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: BigCinBigD

I don’t disagree,just saying the neighbors don’t have any right to say anything and they might under an HOA which could have restrictions on the type of ramp that’s there.


17 posted on 08/12/2013 9:28:25 PM PDT by JMS
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The Giesegh's home is part of a community under construction. We reached out to the home's builder and they say they've also received complaints from the neighbors.

Yet the ADA would require the sales office to be handicap compliant.

18 posted on 08/12/2013 9:28:55 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The “neighbors” need to get a life.


19 posted on 08/12/2013 9:29:06 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: redlegplanner
Wow, that makes no sense. They didn't even paint it florescent pink?

What could these people be complaining about?

Discrimination against a disabled person without cause can be costly.

20 posted on 08/12/2013 9:29:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

sounds like that neighbor needs some of cousin Joey’s”sensitivity training”


21 posted on 08/12/2013 9:33:17 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: BigCinBigD

I vote the neighbors for the “Insensitive Heartless Too-Much-Time-On-Their-Hands Moonbat” award. What do the ghouls expect???? They want the young woman to crawl in and out of her home? I’d bet the neighbors are nobama voters.


22 posted on 08/12/2013 9:35:39 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: matt04
Some shrubbery and flower beds could easily hide it. It looks relatively new, so many just not done yet

It looks they've already put in a planter bed with small plants - takes time to grow, but will provide cover up the cement wall -

so it looks like these people have spent a LOT of money having a professional ramp build and have put in plants. What more do these stupid neighbors want?

23 posted on 08/12/2013 9:37:21 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: JMS; redlegplanner; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
No HOA then the neighbors have no say. People have to mind their own business.

Even an HOA could not make them remove it.

The use of disability access ramps, sometimes referred to as handicap accessibility ramps, is governed by the Americans with Disabilities Act. Enacted into law in 1990, the Americans With Disabilities Act (or ADA for short) places very specific requirements on builders to allow easier access to those with disabilities. All new construction projects must meet the ADA standards when building disabled access ramps. -eHow

24 posted on 08/12/2013 9:43:25 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Our nation endures and our government... has not perished from the earth."-Sarah Palin 7/1/13)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

I have twisted my ankle badly enough to need crutches. It is tiresome going from one place to another in those. I can’t imagine what it’s like rolling your own wheelchair on a permanent basis.


25 posted on 08/12/2013 9:44:20 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am in charge!)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

I had a similar experience. I teach a class at my kids’ high school and one of the kids in the class is wheelchair bound with a degenerative muscluar disease that will be fatal before he’s 30. We went on a class trip in ddowntown Philadelphia, seeing various historic sights. iI’d never properly appreciated the wheelchair ramps at every corner until then.


26 posted on 08/12/2013 9:45:37 PM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They can go pound sand - they never heard of the ADA ...


27 posted on 08/12/2013 9:47:21 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: iowamark

That’s it, really?

Put some shrubbery in front it. Paint the railing the same color as the House Trim. Plant a Tree in the front yard. The Ramp would blend right in.

Where are those Yard Crasher guys from the DYI Network when you need them? Better yet, where is Vanilla Ice?


28 posted on 08/12/2013 9:52:11 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: iowamark

Nice ramp.

At least 25% of the houses in my neighborhood have ramps.


29 posted on 08/12/2013 9:54:41 PM PDT by steve86 (Thank you for your prayers for Margaret!)
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To: null and void

They need to get an ADA lawyer-piranha.


30 posted on 08/12/2013 9:58:07 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

I broke mine on July 31st. I’m sure glad I added a “utility ramp” when I built my deck ... I’ve been using it a lot lately.


31 posted on 08/12/2013 9:59:56 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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32 posted on 08/12/2013 10:03:18 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The neighbors lose, and are a-holes to boot


33 posted on 08/12/2013 10:09:45 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

From looking at the pic at the site, well made professionally made concrete ramp and railing. What’s the beef?


34 posted on 08/12/2013 10:11:42 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: JMS

I don’t think even an HOA can trump the ADA lol.


35 posted on 08/12/2013 10:22:32 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: A CA Guy

If they want some of those pink plastic flamingos to put in front of it, my neighbor has some in their yard I would be more than happy to donate.


36 posted on 08/12/2013 10:27:44 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: iowamark

That's the ramp and the neighbors complain about it? I woudn't call them neighbors. I'd call them @ssholes. My wife was born with cerebral palsy. She used forearm crutches up until a couple years ago when she took a bad fall and we bought a wheelchair. I guess these "neighbors" want the young lady to just stay in the house the rest of her life. This kind of petty crap infuriates me.

37 posted on 08/12/2013 10:28:20 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: ogen hal
They probably are. But maybe they are genuinely concerned about property values. In either event they have no case.
38 posted on 08/12/2013 10:34:02 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: JMS
The HOA would face a civil rights law suite the size of Nebraska.

The owners should paint a Handy cap logo on their driveway just for good measure.

39 posted on 08/12/2013 10:37:06 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The neighbors need to be dragged out of their homes and sent to a labor camp for the rest of their miserable lives.


40 posted on 08/12/2013 10:40:15 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: null and void

Karma can be a cruel b!tch.


That never comes into heat....


41 posted on 08/12/2013 10:54:39 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: BigCinBigD
But maybe they are genuinely concerned about property values.

I don't see how having a wheelchair-bound person in the neighborhood could possibly affect property values. Makes no sense.

42 posted on 08/12/2013 11:31:35 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: sean327
The rest of the World already knows they are heartless asshats.

Anyone who utters the words "it will reduce property values" is pretty much an asshat, if the item of contention does not create or increase either health hazards or safety hazards.

43 posted on 08/12/2013 11:42:33 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Cementjungle

I guess I will be the fly in the ointment here...but that ramp is hideous-looking. While it may serve its noble purpose (and a ramp SHOULD be allowed to be “present” of course), the design is awful.

It is in a residential neighborhood, and looks like something in front of a 80’s era Post Office. A simple Google search provides dozens of beautiful designs that would fit in with the “look” of the home.

Some people lack the ability to visualize how things might look when completed (which may be the case with the homeowners here)...it is the fault of whoever (ahem) “designed” and built it for installing something like that on the front of a residence.


44 posted on 08/13/2013 12:00:41 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How low, how devoid of grace. Best outcome, this stinky neighbor just drops the idea. It probably WON’T hurt their home value, they’re just thinking it will.


45 posted on 08/13/2013 12:05:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and mean it. See my page.)
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To: garandgal

The neighbor could be helpful if that is the case, rather than being the one who drills the hole in the boat of love. Surround it with a porch screen or something. Life is not a zero sum game and the big secret is that God would bless that helpful neighbor instead of, which is likely, blowing back on him the way he is now.


46 posted on 08/13/2013 12:08:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I know, I really feel bad for the homeowners. I’m sure they spent a LOT of money on that ramp...it’s just an awful design. I just cannot believe that ANYONE would have designed and actually built that thing on the front of a residence...shame on whoever did that to them.

They could put some stone facing on it to match the house; replace the rails with something more residential; and get a landscaper in there and it would do wonders. Maybe those unhappy builders in the story would donate some of their time and expertise to FIXING the problem.


47 posted on 08/13/2013 12:22:58 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The neighbors are insensitive boobs. However, it seems to me they could pay for lovely wood fencing to hide the metal rails.

Or even pay for certain horticulture objects that would hide the ugly concrete and steel that so offends them.


48 posted on 08/13/2013 12:43:01 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: iowamark

It’s actually ugly as hell but, given the needs of the neighbor I’d not be concerned.

Were I concerend I’d pay to:

Obfuscate the eyesore with miniature Italian Junipers or “Homo” fantastic shrubbery.


49 posted on 08/13/2013 12:45:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: iowamark

That ramp might even be a selling point for the house.


50 posted on 08/13/2013 3:28:46 AM PDT by glorgau
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