Skip to comments.Why Have Police In America Turned Into Such Ruthless Thugs?
Posted on 08/13/2013 11:02:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Once upon a time, the police were one of the most respected institutions in America, but now most Americans fear them. Almost every single day there are multiple stories of police brutality or misconduct that make the national news.
Just this week, there have been stories about police killing a baby deer at an animal shelter, about police killing a 95-year-old World War II veteran in a retirement home, and about police using legal technicalities to legally steal massive amounts of money from innocent citizens.
Why are police acting like this? Why have police in America turned into such ruthless thugs?
These days, police all over the nation are actually being trained to bark orders at you and to respond to the least bit of resistance with overwhelming force.
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Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
So is that to say Andy and Barney Fife are out of vogue? Sad...so sad.
Joe Friday and Theo Kojak too.
Seems like the new playbook is coming from the Geheime Staatspolizei.
“The entire country is rapidly being transformed into a Big Brother police state, and most Americans seem to like it that way.”
I have found that many Freepers want police-state tactics used against drug dealers, but fail to understand that if it can be applied to drug dealers, it will be applied to them as well.
They’ve turned into D icks because they have all those fancy warrior toys and the testosterone in them burns and yearns to use them aggressively...
Certainly, no doubt about it.
I noticed it just before I left, over ten years ago.
Even small town cops, dressed in flack jackets and other SWAT gear, as if they had been watching too many modern cop shows on TV and movies with the favorite line, “get on the ground, get on the ground-—NOW.”
I think somewhere in the 1980s...as police forces expanded out (they are all fifty percent larger than they were in the 1970s)...they took in lousy wannabe cops. It happened in small towns, and big cities. Some of the lousy cops got promoted, and they hired up more wannabe cops. As a nation, we’ve accepted this as ‘normal’.
Time to test.
Cops have always been thugs.
One of the things that surprised me in the 1960s was learning how brutish, self serving and amoral they were, they just don’t have much restraint.
Another surprising thing to learn about normal adults, was learning that they respected the law, but that they also feared the police. I realized that adults of my youth were drawn warmly to the uniform, but were also afraid of the unpredictability and whims of cops, and knew better than to trust them completely.
Many don’t remember that traveling used to open you up to cop abuse, and it could be dangerous to be singled out as a powerless outsider, for some fun and games by local cops or Sheriffs.
This is what most of you reading this asked for.
The liberals were gifted the tool they are using to make you their slave.
Which conservatives would those be? The more I read about who instituted the war on drugs, the more liberals’ names I see listed.
This is because many people, FReepers included, tend to see life in a somewhat compartmentalized milieu. Where what is under discussion can only be applied in one specific manner, and thus anything not falling directly under that manner is 'safe.' Thus, using brutal tactics against drug peddlars is ok, because, after all, they are selling drugs and they rightfully deserved to be appropriately chastised. Those tactics are not supposed to spill over to 'normal people,' and when they do people seem surprised.
Same thing with the Patriot Act. Even though certain aspects of the act were not exactly - to put it mildly - constitutional, many were ok with it because it was under President George W Bush and a Republican administration. I believe at the time even Congress may have been majority Republican. Only a precious few FReepers raised alarm that just because a questionable law was put into motion by 'our' guy did not mean that in the future it would not be in use by 'their' chap. Most did not see it that way. I remember a couple saying that 'if you didn't have anything to hide what was the problem.'
Most people, either due to socialization or nascent intelligence, tend to be myopic. They only see things as either 100% hysop white or 100% midnight black. They do not see the nuances in between, the grays and other murky shades that better define life since not that many things fall perfectly under white or black. However, the majority will tend to see things as either wholly good or truly bad. Thus, even now, you will see some FReeper claim that 'something must have triggered the cop to slam the woman on the street for walking behind him, and that she is in fact lucky he didn't shoot her.' Why? Because in that FReeper's mind, cops are good and thus there must have been some reason that happened.
Most people believe that things like dynamic entries by cops can only be used against 'baaaaaad people,' and thus munch their morning wheaties in the firm belief it would never happen to them. Not knowing that there is always a chance for a mistake to be made, or for someone to crank call and use their house as an address, or even someone with an ax to grind (maybe even a changing political situation) to specifically target them. The most likely situation would however be coming across a cop who is having a bad day, and even then I am sure someone would say the dude was lucky he didn't get shot by the cop. After all, he MUST have said something ....
The police come from society.
Primarily Nixon and the so-called demigod Reagan.
Those two along with all the "values" conservatives who saw the war on drugs as a unique opportunity to impose one aspect of their religious values on everyone else.
The Democrats half-heartedly supported the WOD, because they liked to snooker the old new-deal democrats into believing that they weren't the terrible 60s generation hippies.
Those old democrats that had to be appeased are all dead now and the party of Obama is starting to show signs of loosing the restrictions on some drugs.
They will now use the police state apparatus for more important things like imprisoning those who have politically incorrect viewpoints.
I can remember when you went to the police for help. Now who knows what reaction you’ll get?
Because they’re OVERPAID elitists who look down upon the communities they serve as ‘beneath them’.
I still have to pinch myself to see if i’m dreaming whenever I see something about stop and frisk. really? we have that in America? just because it apparently reduced crime (and I would never believe the exact figures from that jewish stalin anyway) or that its mostly blacks.
if you live in a crime free mostly white suburb, the next time your walking down the street, ask yourself how you’d feel in a cop stepped in front of you and said to stop so he could frisk you.
its unbelievable and we said nothing because its ny.
I strayed but my point is, the government and supreme court have been giving police more powers.
Like I said, liberals. Nixon was Mr. Amtrak/EPA/OSHA/wage-controls/social-program-expansion/Lenin’s-bEarth-Day and I forget what else. Reagan was Mr. Leave-Iran-Alone/First-Amnesty-For-Illegals/DVA/SS-bailout-and-benefit-taxation/EIC-expansion . . . it does exhaust the brain to count them all out.
LOL, welcome to freerepublic, a God fearing conservative site where religious values are seen as what created America, and what could save it today.
It is the anti-God voters who have brought America down.
Actually Black militants and organized political violence started the militarization of police, not busting the 1960s drug people.
Laugh it up, I'll laugh at you when you've got the boot on your neck
Everytime people like me bring up the problems with the the WOD, we get dismissed as dope-smoking libertarians.
The antics American conservatives will make good fodder for some great tragic plays in a future civilization.
Care to elaborate on that statement?
One of my thoughts about such things got a thread closed down a while back, as I recall - maybe the crowd here is more ripe with the passage of time as the blatant truth floods in every day.
Four closely linked professions seem to attract a breed of people who share an excessive attraction to the intersection of law and power: police, criminals, lawyers and politicians. Certainly there are people in those professions who are decent, but each profession sports a notorious history based on the unfortunate reality of their stereotypes.
The rest of us who lack the fascination with that intersection of law and power simply don’t think like they do, and are less attracted to those professions.
Over time, the Constitutional and societal safeguards put in place to keep such people in check have been eroded by those very people. Part of the impetus for this in recent decades has been the fabrication of three phony “wars” that have granted enormous legal power to those very professions: the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs, and the War on Terror - disasters, all, but offering a vast and exciting arena for legal abuse of power to those attracted to it.
You haven’t cited any conservatives responsible for the “WOD” as yet, though. Not that this is a linchpin or keystone issue, mind you.
It used to be a very common occurrence in the southern states, such as Alabama. The portrayals were stunning , formulaic and almost trite in their depiction of the redneck lawman’s abuse of power. Think of that movie with Rod Steiger and Sidney Poitier In The Heat of The Night 1967. That rung a lot of bells back then, satisfied a lot of expectations and presumptions. That movie, and it’s TV series in the 1980s is one reason why these states are stereotyped as racist to this day.
On a milder note, Ohio used to be infamous for its highway officers stopping and ticketing the out-of-towners, as punishment for disturbing the farm amimals with those loud, gas guzzling Detroit Funny Cars.
Well, if you don’t like conservatives and God, then you won’t have much fun here.
Most of your anti-conservative, anti-Christian types are liberal voters, they are the people who make up the left.
Cop abuse was common in the Western states as well, Texas, Arizona.
If you have teeming cities with drugs, ignorance, bastardy, poverty, brutality so commonplace it is mundane, demagoguery, and tribalism you have cultural breakdown and we have that in virtually every inner city in America. We ask police to solve these problems for us and on the one hand we fetter them with regulations ever since the Warren court designed not to facilitate their jobs but to serve other societal values, and on the other hand we tell them to withdraw from interaction on a human level and rely on technology. At the same time, we withdraw support in the way we try and convict criminals and then incarcerate and futilely make a pass at rehabilitation. In short, we make policing a charade.
Our inner cities have administrations under one-party rule which regard the police as a political arm and that begets corruption at an alarming rate. It certainly breeds cynicism among those who serve in uniform. The fish are rotting from the head down
Nathan Bedford's first Maxim of American politics:
All politics in America is not local but ultimately racial
First of all the vast majority have not and it is not fair to say all cops are thugs.
99% of the law abiding public has no reason to fear the police at all, unless you are breaking the law.
The entire society is much more violent now than it was 50 years ago and cop survival depends on being aware, suspicious and alert.
Just as there is more violent crime, there are more acts of violence visited upon Police officers.
In short, they are frayed, jumpy and scared as well.
Maybe sometimes they overreact and need to be disciplined but I think they’re just plain scared as the outlaws today might have much more heavy weapons and armor than them in any given situation.
50 years ago most cops did not need to tell drivers to put their hands on the steering wheel as they approach a car with guns drawn and at a safe angle to the driver’s door. This is a relatively new (40 years ago?) technique. It came about because too many officers were gunned down stopping a driver for a routine infraction.
So, it is not that cops are bad and more vicious, it is all of us that have gone down the slippery path to violence and anarchy in our streets.
Hollywood has a major contributing role in this downward spin where 36 cars must be blown up, 23 people need to kick in doors with a pistol drawn and gore splashed all over the screen. Is it any wonder cops are scared and maybe, overreact sometimes?
Nice summary. Sure is a host of issues, and I’d hate to hear what the ancient Romans are going to say when they get to look at how fast our culture fell apart.
One of the things that surprised me in the 1960s was learning how brutish, self serving and amoral they were, they just dont have much restraint.
Probably mentioned it before, but when I returned from RVN and saw four years later those of my HS class that had not gone into the service but into the LAPD, it struck me how most of them were the thug/car club guys. A few somewhat bully types, but all "tough guy" sorts.
I suppose being paid to be a "tough guy" seems to be a dream job to that personality. Assert your authority and be protected from consequences while in your own legal gang, how perfect!
Because they are acting stupidly????
I’d wager he is speaking of Bloomturd, who most aptly fits such a description.........
Title is excessive
But I despise how militarized they are now
And how they exploit unwarranted searches
And car and cash seizures
Proof to wishful thinkers here
There will ALWAYS be enough cops to come take our guns no matter if the rural home boys won’t do it
Oh, I don’t think so. Look at Detroit. Cops will only last as long as you can pay them.
Funny that people always say a tyrant, who persecuted Jews is a Jew himself. Reverse/Reverse Anti-Semitism, blame the Jews for their own killing.
In short, they are blowing off the USA and heading for Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, Saipan, Australia, New Zealand and northern Europe (Scandanavian nations), those kinds of places. I've noticed this, too, for some reason.
You are way off base in understanding my post 22, it has nothing to do with Cocaine or Crack or the 1980s.
Read it again.
IMHO this trend is NOT from regular, on-the-beat cops, who daily interact with citizens, crimes big and small, make arrests, and have to show up in court.
This violent trend is rather from the many and sundry security forces who belong to various government agencies, who aren’t responsible to the citizens they supposedly police, and who aren’t on the street daily, and have little real-world experience.
They have become thugs because they are protected from the consequences of breaking.the laws they are supposed to enforce. It is time for the people to stand up and put a stop to ethically corrupt police at every level. Police are out of control.
I don’t fear the police but these days when I see them I get concerned about being bothered.
Profiling I guess.
Funny, I don’t worry about others bothering me??
I’m going to add a link to an important informational brochure that is closely related to this topic:
You lost me on line three. Unless you are breaking the LAW.
I don’t think at this point in time you cannot break some law in the course of a day.
There are so many that the judges and lawyers can take weeks to figure out if you have done something wrong after you have been arrested.
Placing you under arrest and taking you to jail in TX is a violation of the law but the police due it every day. Under the law they are supposed to take you to the nearest JP or magistrate to validate the arrest before you go to jail. But that doesn’t happen and nobody knows this in general.
Haven’t been arrested myself so this is not a pity me rant. Just pointing out how ignorant of the law most people including the police are. The same law is in place in many other states as well.
The law affects you every day of your life. Spend as much time studying it as you do memorizing sports statistics and you will probably be better off.
Remember it is a crime to lie to the police but they can lie to you without consequence.
I had a neighbor’s son, who is a cop, mention the concept of “soverign citizen” to me recently. He is a relatively new cop and had heard the term used by an older cop to describe a citizen they had encountered who was dressed in camis and was filming a police traffic stop. When they approached the cami guy he stated his rights and satisfied the cops that he was where he had a right to be. Old cop muttered “soverign citizen” and that was the basis for the kid’s discussion point.
I googled that term and found several web sites that relate to the topic. Two of them were LEO forums. From what I can deduce from several of the posts on those forums, there are a number of LEO posters who throw any of us who don’t submit passively to them into the bucket of soverign citizen. By their definition, soverign citizen can be anything from a small sub culture of people who exist “off paper”, that is they don’t have W2 jobs, drivers licenses, in some cases no birth certificate, no paper trail. The LEO definition extends to people like me who dare to know what the Constitution says and demand that our rights be respected. The square head version of LEO does not like that and one is thus in the “soverign citizen” bucket as they define it, essentially someone who dares to not submit passively to their accusations and perhaps does not know how to grovel to the uniform.
Corupt law enforcement officers and organizations have always been around in the United States. The government’s false propaganda, education’s indoctrination, and the false propaganda of the news media have deceived people about the true history of abuses. A colonial governor fenced the stolen goods for pirates. Sheriffs were too often outlaws and murderers wanted in other jurisdictions. Sheriffs and police chiefrs facilitated Prohibition alcohol trade, and they now facilitate illicit drug trafficking a drug wars out of police cars While the Dick and Jane elementary schoolbook readers and Captain Kangaroo promoted the image of the kind and helpful police officer, there are too many jurisdictions where the reality was too often the reverse.