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BREAKING: FAA: UPS jet crashes in Birmingham, Ala.
CBS 12 News ^ | August 14, 2013 | Michele Wright

Posted on 08/14/2013 4:26:40 AM PDT by The Working Man

Edited on 08/14/2013 5:40:11 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — A federal aviation official says a large UPS cargo plane has crashed near an airport in Birmingham, Ala.

Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen tells The Associated Press that the A300 plane crashed on approach to the airport before dawn Wednesday. [snip]


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; birmingham; cargo; louisville; onfire; planecrash; ups
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I understand from other reports that there were three explosions reported and there is a huge debris field.

No other details at this time

1 posted on 08/14/2013 4:26:40 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

http://www.abc3340.com/story/23132150/large-aircraft-crash-in-tarrant

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS1354


2 posted on 08/14/2013 4:28:39 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: The Working Man

That’s a big FN plane. Hopefully, it was a relatively unpopulated area.


3 posted on 08/14/2013 4:30:44 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: djf

I think in the US they fly cargo mainly these days but not commercially with any carrier. Someone can correct me on that.


4 posted on 08/14/2013 4:33:38 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ConservativeStatement
I think in the US they fly cargo mainly these days but not commercially with any carrier. Someone can correct me on that.

What?

5 posted on 08/14/2013 4:35:50 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: The Working Man
crashed upon approach

Libyan Sa-7/SA-18/S-24 MANPADs?

6 posted on 08/14/2013 4:38:54 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: brewcrew

I meant the aircraft. The A300. Does any US carrier fly them commercially?


7 posted on 08/14/2013 4:40:12 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: machogirl

The last two hits on flight aware seem to show they were fast and descending at a shallow rate at 1,500 ft above ground (normally that’s about 5 miles out)


8 posted on 08/14/2013 4:45:33 AM PDT by IFly4Him
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To: ConservativeStatement

Ah. I’m not sure. I know FedEx has a bunch of them. Not sure about any passenger airlines.


9 posted on 08/14/2013 4:46:58 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: DCBryan1

I must admit that the thought did cross my mind. Especially with the reports about Benghazi and a reported 400 Manpads having been ‘disappeared’.


10 posted on 08/14/2013 4:47:07 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

Short of runway? Photos:

https://twitter.com/Fox6Clare/status/367607557382090752/photo/1

https://twitter.com/theglenmoreland/status/367605399651770368/photo/1


11 posted on 08/14/2013 4:48:04 AM PDT by Drago
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To: IFly4Him

Thanks, I can look at the chart, but I can’t eyeball it and make sense of it all.


12 posted on 08/14/2013 4:48:36 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: DCBryan1

I’m guessing it would probably take more than one to bring it down.


13 posted on 08/14/2013 4:49:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: The Working Man

A lot of big storms and bad weather down here in Alabama the yesterday and last night. Probably weather related.


14 posted on 08/14/2013 4:49:34 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: The Working Man

Update says two bodies found. Very sad.


15 posted on 08/14/2013 4:50:49 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

Dammit. That’s awful.


17 posted on 08/14/2013 4:54:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: machogirl

I agree, my wife is friends with a couple of women whose husbands are pilots for UPS. Lot of Praying going on right now.


18 posted on 08/14/2013 4:55:46 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

Prayers for all involved... :(


19 posted on 08/14/2013 4:56:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Sad, family of the crew might just be waking up to the news and hear it from media first.

I wonder if the tower had an idea there was a problem?


20 posted on 08/14/2013 4:56:53 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: The Working Man

:(


21 posted on 08/14/2013 4:57:46 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl
Yes, I hope the families can find some peace and comfort, SOMEWHERE...

I do wonder out loud about the Libyan MANPADS and if this was a test run.

22 posted on 08/14/2013 4:58:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: djf

It was. AL.com has a live feed. It is out in a large field/pasture area. I can see one farm silo off to the right, lots of trees.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/08/plane_crashes_near_birmingham-.html#incart_big-photo


23 posted on 08/14/2013 4:59:55 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Lazamataz

Did cross my mind too.


24 posted on 08/14/2013 4:59:59 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: The Working Man

Crash site in relation to airport. (plane not lined up?)

https://plus.google.com/108868884822043573742/posts/M5razqJrVo7


25 posted on 08/14/2013 5:02:02 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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Hopefully, it was a relatively unpopulated area.

Mostly businesses in the area. Reports said it crashed in a field...no reports of casualties on the ground. Even though I was asleep and 12 or so miles from the crash I don't think we were having any bad weather at the time. Light rain and clouds, no thunderstorms.

26 posted on 08/14/2013 5:03:47 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Yup. Pics coming in now are daylight pics and it looks pretty much like pastureland.


27 posted on 08/14/2013 5:04:09 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: machogirl

May have been weather related. Radar showing storms in that area.


28 posted on 08/14/2013 5:04:44 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ConservativeStatement

AA flew the A-300 early in the decade; recall the crash after takeoff from JFK in 2001..


29 posted on 08/14/2013 5:06:00 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The GOP, the ultimate battered wife? Or willing co-conspirators? You decide..)
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To: Errant

Feel so bad for those families and crew.
Looking at the flight chart, I see within minutes of the crash, several approx 3-4 thousand drops in altitude. I guess I’d need to check the history to see if that is a normal approach to that airport.

Wind shear possibly? no delays reported at the airport, no warnings either? (at least on flightaware)


30 posted on 08/14/2013 5:08:14 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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Yup. Pics coming in now are daylight pics and it looks pretty much like pastureland.

I heard on the radio that the pastureland is owned by the airport.
31 posted on 08/14/2013 5:13:55 AM PDT by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: Alas Babylon!; All

The pictures of the plane in the field are eerily reminiscent of the recent Denzel Washington movie, “Flight.”


32 posted on 08/14/2013 5:16:17 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline is on summer break..)
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To: machogirl

Possibel..but I think Atlanta has Doppler which would have picked it up..


33 posted on 08/14/2013 5:17:41 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline is on summer break..)
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Wind shear possibly?

Likely weather related but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a shoulder fired missile. It's been almost a year since they say 400 have gotten into the hands of Jihadists. Time enough for some to make it inside the US it would seem to me. They like to strike when and where it's least expected.

34 posted on 08/14/2013 5:19:46 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ken5050

The flightaware screen was showing storms to the west at the time of crash, with just light showers around the airport.

They weren’t lined up with the runway which looks to be SW/NE and the crash site is about (eyeballing) 1/2 mile or so to the north.


35 posted on 08/14/2013 5:22:20 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Errant

Exactly. If that happens to be the case, the Administration is laying down the fire on board theory and all supporting MSM stories right now.


36 posted on 08/14/2013 5:24:29 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: JLS; bamahead; EdReform; saleman; Southack; kosciusko51; Bryan24; blam; Jemian; alancarp; ...

A sad ping to the Alabama ping list.

If anyone wants to be added or deleted from this list, please let me know.


37 posted on 08/14/2013 5:26:47 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: machogirl

Yep, another flight 800 cover up in the works if that’s the case.


38 posted on 08/14/2013 5:27:02 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

But why hit a cargo plane? Terrorists want the maximum body count..


39 posted on 08/14/2013 5:37:54 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline is on summer break..)
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To: The Working Man
Charlie probing the wire?
40 posted on 08/14/2013 5:38:25 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Errant

If there is the slightest suspicion of terrorist activity, we need to stay on this. No more TWA800 swept under the rug.

I’m not seeing terrorism or conspiracy behind every accident. Just saying we need to look closely and not be led like sheep - in either direction.


41 posted on 08/14/2013 5:47:40 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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But why hit a cargo plane?

I'm guessing the cause of the crash is likely weather related. To answer your question, its hard to tell cargo planes from passenger planes, especially when it's dark. Both are large planes. Another possibility is there could have been something onboard in the cargo, that caused the crash.

42 posted on 08/14/2013 5:56:15 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ConservativeStatement

The Airbus 300 series is both in passenger and cargo configurations depending on the model number!!! The A330 aircraft has been in service for many years, and is an extemely safe aircraft. The Birmingham Airport is located close to downtown Birmingham, but the surrounding area is not congested on the ground. Hope for the best....does not sound good!!!


43 posted on 08/14/2013 5:57:09 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Errant

Went down outside airport perimeter fence. (this article says)
http://avherald.com/h?article=466d969f&opt=0


44 posted on 08/14/2013 5:59:10 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: The Working Man

This article has good graphics (of approach, 3-D) and some early pics of crash, description of plane, how old, etc.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130814-0


45 posted on 08/14/2013 6:01:47 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Drago

Wow... It clearly impacted that berm.

In FAA terminology:
“an unscheduled landing resulting in collision with terrain.”


46 posted on 08/14/2013 6:03:29 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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More good pics (another aviation article on crash)
Weather reported- no unusual weather

http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/08/ups-airbus-a300-crashes-on-approach-to-birmingham-airport/#.UguAOHanapg


47 posted on 08/14/2013 6:05:04 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

Good info and comments at the link you posted.


48 posted on 08/14/2013 6:05:30 AM PDT by Errant
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To: tcrlaf

From what I can see on the google+ link, the plane wasn’t lined up with the runway at all?


49 posted on 08/14/2013 6:06:33 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Errant

Thanks Errant.


50 posted on 08/14/2013 6:06:52 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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