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Maybe If Egypt Promised U.S. Aid Won't Go Towards Killing People...
National Catholic Register ^ | Thursday, August 15, 2013 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 08/15/2013 12:23:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Maybe If Egypt Promised U.S. Aid Won't Go Towards Killing People

by Matthew Archbold Thursday, August 15, 2013

The United States federal government is continuing to send over a billion dollars in aid to Egypt even as the government kills its own people. That aid reportedly includes jet fighters.

Some are concerned that U.S. money is going towards killing innocent civilians.

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...So, once the law is passed by Congress, there should be no worries that we're funding death, right? If this sounds ridiculous to you, then why isn't it just as ridiculous that the federal government sends millions and millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood every year and states that none of the money goes toward abortion?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Israel; Philosophy; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; egypt; iran; israel; obamacare; russia; syria; waronterror; zerocare

1 posted on 08/15/2013 12:23:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

duh! Giving Egypt advanced weapons now since 1978 - you give a sand monkey an Apache and he’s going to use it or make scrap metal...don’t complain about Egypt, they know what they are doing vis-a-vis the MB...


2 posted on 08/15/2013 12:26:20 PM PDT by Netz
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

What kind of headline is that? A snippet from the middle of a sentence passes as a headline now? Sheesh!


3 posted on 08/15/2013 12:35:37 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Money is fungible. What isn’t used to kill people will free up other funds for the task.


4 posted on 08/15/2013 12:56:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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TRIPPING GAILY HAND-IN-HAND DOWN TO WAR-TORN EGYPT Sen Lindsey Graham said he and Sen McCain were sap-happily urging Egyptian military leaders that if they "play nice" the foreign aid money will keep rolling in....then 895 Egyptians were slaughtered in one day.

Who didn't see that coming?

Obama gave deposed Muslim Egyptian President Morsi $250 million in March in addition to 200 Abrams tanks and 12 F-16s, with 8 more to be delivered by the end of the year. Pretty strong support for Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood.

FOX news reported Obama is NOT cutting off US aid to Egypt (even though US law denies aid to govts deposed via muilitary coup)......a law that dates back to congressional undercutting of the CIA, then-condemned by the anti-American left for “installing” pro-America dictatorships around the world.

WATTA SHOCK---Lo and behold.....CIA-backed governments were replaced by ruthless communists, shariah-obsessed mullahs, and every form of terroristic creep known to civilization. Course, defanging the CIA was a wet dream of Obama’s lefty pals---recently released from college smoking lounges---and Bill Ayers and George Soros are onboard to "help."

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NOTE The Egyptian military is cunningly structured as neither under civilian control nor primarily financed by the Egyptian government....so that it gets more than $1 billion annually in US foreign aid......plus millions upon millions in additional US-financed programs.

THE MAGIC WORD$$$$: Egypt just says the "magic words" they'll-be "a-good-neighbor" and billions of tax dollars start flowing.

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SO MOW MUCH US AID DO THEY GET? HERE'S WHAT THE LEFT IS SAYING:

EXCERPT---How much does the U.S. spend on Egypt? Egypt gets the most U.S. foreign aid of any country except for Israel. (This doesn't include the trillions of tax dollars spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.)

The exact amount varies from year to year and there are many different funding streams, but U.S. foreign assistance to Egypt has averaged about $2 billion a year since 1979, when Egypt struck a peace treaty with Israel following the Camp David accords, according to the Congressional Research Service. That includes military and economic aid, though the latter has declined by more than two-thirds since 1998, according to a recent Congressional Research Service report.

Let's start with the military aid. How much is it, and what does it buy? Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987. American officials have long argued that the money promotes strong ties between the American and Egyptian militaries, which gives the U.S. all kinds of benefits. US Navy warships, for instance, get "expedited processing" when they pass through the Suez Canal.

Here's a 2009 U.S. embassy cable released by WikiLeaks that makes essentially the same point: President Mubarak and military leaders view our military assistance program as the cornerstone of our mil-mil relationship and consider the USD 1.3 billion in annual FMF as "untouchable compensation" for making and maintaining peace with Israel. The tangible benefits to our mil-mil relationship are clear: Egypt remains at peace with Israel, and the U.S. military enjoys priority access to the Suez Canal and Egyptian airspace.

The military funding also enables Egypt to purchase US-manufactured military goods and services. But a 2006 report from the Government Accountability Office (PDF) criticized both the State Dept and the Defense Dept for failing to measure how the funding actually contributes to U.S. goals.

Does this aid require Egypt to meet any specific conditions regarding human rights? It didn't for a long time. When an exiled Egyptian dissident called on the U.S. to attach conditions to aid to Egypt in 2008, Francis J. Ricciardone Jr., who had recently stepped down as the U.S. ambassador to Egypt, told the Washington Post the idea was "admirable but not realistic." And Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that military aid "should be without conditions" at a Cairo press conference in 2009.

Last December Sen. Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, led Congress in adding language to a spending bill to make aid to Egypt conditional on the secretary of state certifying that Egypt is supporting human rights and being a good neighbor to Israel. The language requires that Egypt abide by the 1979 peace treaty with Israel, support "the transition to civilian government including holding free and fair elections," and put in place policies to protect freedom of expression, association, and religion, and due process of law." It sounds pretty tough, but it's not.

So has American aid to Egypt been cut off? No. Congress threatened to block the aid when Egypt began a crackdown on a number of American pro-democracy groups this winter. A senior Obama administration official said that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had no way to certify the bill's conditions were being met.

But in March Hillary Clinton waived the certification requirement (yes, she can do that) and approved the aid, despite concerns remaining about Egypt's human rights record. The reason? "A delay or cut in $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt risked breaking existing contracts with American arms manufacturers that could have shut down production lines in the middle of Obama's re-election campaign," the NYT reported. Breaking the contracts could have left the Pentagon on the hook for $2 billion.

What kind of arms have we been sending them, anyway? According to the State Department, the aid has included fighter jets, tanks, armored personnel carriers, attack helicopters, antiaircraft missiles, and surveillance aircraft. In the past, the Egyptian government has bought some of the weaponry on credit.

What about economic aid and efforts to promote democracy? U.S. economic aid to Egypt has slumped from $815 million in 1998 to about $250 million in 2011. The various economic aid efforts have had mixed results.

The State Department has described the Commodity Import Program, which gave Egypt millions of dollars between 1986 and 2008 to import American goods, as "one of the largest and most popular USAID programs."

<><> But an audit of the four-year, $57 million effort to create agricultural jobs and boost rural incomes in 2007 found that the program "has not increased the number of jobs as planned" [PDF].

<><> And an audit of a $151 million program [PDF] to modernize Egypt's real estate finance market in 2009 found that, while the market had improved since the program began, the growth was "not clearly measureable or attributable" to the aid efforts.

The U.S. has also funded programs to promote democracy and good government in Egypt — again with few results. It has sent about $24 million a year between 1999 and 2009 to a variety of NGOs in the country. According to a 2009 inspector general's audit [PDF], the efforts didn't add much due to "a lack of support" from the Egyptian government, which "suspended the activities of many U.S. NGOs because Egyptian officials thought these organizations were too aggressive."

President Obama has promised Egypt $1 billion in aid to support its transition to democracy following the fall of President Hosni Mubarak. But the funding has become a political issue since the attacks on the American embassy in Cairo on Sept. 11.

When the Obama administration announced that it was sending the Egyptian government $450 million to help forestall a budget crisis, Representative Kay Granger, a Texas Republican and the chairwoman of a subcommittee that oversees foreign aid, said she would block the money because of concerns about Egypt's direction under the Muslim Brotherhood. "I am not convinced of the urgent need for this assistance and I cannot /support it at this time," she said in a statement. (SOURCE propublica.com)

5 posted on 08/15/2013 12:58:43 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
This says it all.

Here's a 2009 U.S. embassy cable released by WikiLeaks that makes essentially the same point: President Mubarak and military leaders view our military assistance program as the cornerstone of our mil-mil relationship and consider the USD 1.3 billion in annual FMF as "untouchable compensation" for making and maintaining peace with Israel.The tangible benefits to our mil-mil relationship are clear: Egypt remains at peace with Israel, and the U.S. military enjoys priority access to the Suez Canal and Egyptian airspace.

6 posted on 08/15/2013 1:37:12 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

HOwsabout we SPEND $$$$ to retaliate for killing CHRISTIANS??

A few well-placed bombs and missiles would do wonders.


7 posted on 08/15/2013 1:39:56 PM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

And maybe if we'd just shut up and implement Obamacare, there would never be diseases anymore. /s

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8 posted on 08/16/2013 5:19:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Our aid kills - or it props up thugs. Or both. Time to rethink this horror...


9 posted on 08/16/2013 6:28:17 AM PDT by GOPJ ( When the state knows all but difference between right and wrong, it won't end well--Steyn)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; Nachum; SJackson; TurboZamboni; RaceBannon

“If this sounds ridiculous to you, then why isn’t it just as ridiculous that the federal government sends millions and millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood every year and states that none of the money goes toward abortion?”

- rim shot...

BONUS: hold back the F-16’s and Abrams tanks, and give them the rest of the military aid as long as they promise TO USE IT TO HELP THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD FULFILL THEIR MOTTO:

“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way.

Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu akbar!” [1]


10 posted on 08/16/2013 6:37:26 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

Happy Day of Rage Friday to you, brother!


11 posted on 08/16/2013 7:23:42 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I met some australian moron today who told me the 80,000 dead in Syria are BUSH’s fault...”his endless wars...”

I replied, “it’s his fault in that he even half-listened to aholes like you, and didn’t do to iraq, Afghanistan and Iran what we did to Germany and Japan”.

There was silence.

I asked, “you do realize if we had treated Japan like you are insisting we deal with islam, i.e., “leave them alone”, instead of nuking and conquering them and ending the war Japan started, if we had listened to people like you back then, you would probably be speaking japanese...”

He paused, and then replied, “I am not sure that would have been such a bad thing compared to what we have now....”

There’s no arguing with these stupid morons.


12 posted on 08/21/2013 9:33:49 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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