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Snowden downloaded NSA secrets while working for Dell, sources say
Reuter ^ | Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:50pm EDT

Posted on 08/15/2013 3:13:46 PM PDT by Perdogg

Former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden began downloading documents describing the U.S. government's electronic spying programs while he was working for Dell Inc in April 2012, almost a year earlier than previously reported, according to U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the matter.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: dell; espionage; hacker; leaker; nsa; obamavoter; snowden; spy; whistleblower
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1 posted on 08/15/2013 3:13:46 PM PDT by Perdogg
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2 posted on 08/15/2013 3:17:14 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

treason
Russia and China could care less about my facebook password
people need to wake up to what a loser this idiot is
he took national security secrets and sold them and then claimed he was a ronulan
he was a traitor


3 posted on 08/15/2013 3:17:48 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Perdogg

You beat me to it.


4 posted on 08/15/2013 3:19:10 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: RaceBannon

I have mixed feelings about Snowden.

BTW, what exactly did he “sell” and to “who” , “when” ?


5 posted on 08/15/2013 3:21:35 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Perdogg

So how much money did Dell soak the taxpayers for?


6 posted on 08/15/2013 3:22:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg

“........ according to U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the matter.”

LMAO...... there is no reason whatsoever for me to believe such sources.


7 posted on 08/15/2013 3:23:18 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: RaceBannon
he took national security secrets and sold them and then claimed he was a ronulan he was a traitor

Please tell me the proof you have that he sold secrets?

The fact that the evil Rove, Beohner, the left and most of the RINOs call him a traitor tells me quite clearly that Snowden performed acts that will help awaken people to the evil tyranny from D.C.

Again, please tell me what proof you have that he sold secrets?

Also, please provide your opinion(s) of what he could have sold that would be traitorous.

Do you not understand the the Marxist president is purposely trying to utterly destroy our Republic as founded. The GOPe and the evil left are p*ssing on our Constitution daily.

Until absolute evidence is otherwise presented, I will firmly view Snowden as a Patriot.

8 posted on 08/15/2013 3:26:38 PM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88

“Until absolute evidence is otherwise presented, I will firmly view Snowden as a Patriot.”


9 posted on 08/15/2013 3:28:51 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: sand88

Forgot the: AMEN!


10 posted on 08/15/2013 3:29:43 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: RaceBannon

“he was a traitor”

I reckon the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” is a part of the rule of law that you find it convenient to ignore...


11 posted on 08/15/2013 3:31:28 PM PDT by bigbob (W)
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To: RaceBannon

Let me guess...you weren’t doing anything wrong so you had nothing to hide from the government while they recorded all of your emails and phone calls...right?


12 posted on 08/15/2013 3:33:16 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: foundedonpurpose
foundedonpurpose ~: “Until absolute evidence is otherwise presented, I will firmly view Snowden as a Patriot.”

I consider Karl Rove and John Boehner more traiterous than Snowden.
They are complicit in the'take over'/coup of the Republic , and the creation of the VICHY GOPe

13 posted on 08/15/2013 3:38:43 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ((Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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To: Perdogg

If the Administration said it, then is is a LIE.

I don’t believe ANYTHING this man says, and I don’t believe anything the big computer companies say, either.

Ever.


14 posted on 08/15/2013 3:40:33 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Perdogg
To quote Dan Rather on Election Night 1994: “This is horrible. Just horrible. Not a single open seat for the congress or senate has gone to the democrats tonight.”

It is worse than I ever imagined!

Et tu, Snowden?

15 posted on 08/15/2013 3:40:51 PM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: RaceBannon
treason
Russia and China could care less about my facebook password
people need to wake up to what a loser this idiot is
he took national security secrets and sold them and then
claimed he was a ronulan
he was a traitor
A quick perusal of the GOP-E Luminaries and Democrats who have lined up to call him a Traitor will tell any thinking individual that you are on the wrong side on this issue.
16 posted on 08/15/2013 3:42:27 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Gator113

I trust Putin more than obama at this point. This government has zero credibility.


17 posted on 08/15/2013 3:45:21 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SoConPubbie

Bingo. Judge a man by the people he surrounds himself with.


18 posted on 08/15/2013 3:46:07 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bigbob
I reckon the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” is a part of the rule of law that you find it convenient to ignore...

"Snowden answered the hero or traitor question during an interview with the South China Morning Post. He admitted that he sought a job with the NSA in order to collect information about the United States'surveillance activities. This contradicts the initial indications that he became disillusioned with U.S. programs after working for the NSA. Instead, it indicates that Snowden had a plan from the beginning to collect information on U.S. surveillance and to expose that information to the world.

Not only is Snowden a traitor but he is also a very naïve traitor.

19 posted on 08/15/2013 3:48:11 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: RaceBannon

Treason.....that is the NSA acting counter to the law. And this admin supporting it. And RINO’s being complicit.


20 posted on 08/15/2013 3:48:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sand88

I don’t know if I’d call him a patriot but I don’t think he had anything the Russians and Chinese don’t already know.

Sandy Berger was worse in my opinion. He got probation and a seat on the board of the international crisis group.


21 posted on 08/15/2013 3:48:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Brown Deer; bigbob
Not only is Snowden a traitor but he is also a very naïve traitor.
Why?

He did every freedom-loving patriot concerned about our liberties a favor by exposing the Illegal behaviors of this Administration and the NSA.
22 posted on 08/15/2013 3:56:33 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: sand88
Until absolute evidence is otherwise presented, I will firmly view Snowden as a Patriot.

Really? He's already bragged about it, and the evidence was published.

He's a traitor!


23 posted on 08/15/2013 3:57:47 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SoConPubbie

” He did every freedom-loving patriot concerned about our liberties a favor by exposing the Illegal behaviors of this Administration and the NSA. “

Snowden did us a favor, regardless of his person motivations may be.


24 posted on 08/15/2013 3:59:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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add a “what” : )


25 posted on 08/15/2013 4:00:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I can’t believe I’m saying this but, “The Industrial Military Complex”, is driven by money as much or more than by defense or ideology.

I really have no interest in conspiracy theories, my interest is in being left alone.

There is very very big money in “DATA” and its analysis.

Traditionally defense contractors have been reactive and provided the technology necessary to complete a mission or need.

These guys are some of the smartest people on the planet and they solve problems like no one else.

When they (the gov’t) run out of “Problems”, it doesn’t change the need of the smart guys to make money. If I ran a drug company I would lobby to have a “condition” re-labeled as a “disease”, only if I had the cure.

I think these “security consultants” are deep in bed with certain established GOP members in order to advance a new concept of “risk” that requires support and of course, funding.

This is very big business.


26 posted on 08/15/2013 4:02:12 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Perdogg

Sorry. The government employees who knows about these unconstitutional acts and keep their mouths shut are the traitors. Every last one of them.


27 posted on 08/15/2013 4:06:29 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Sorry. The government employees who knows about these unconstitutional acts and keep their mouths shut are the traitors. Every last one of them.

___________________________________________________________

I agree, but they think they are doing the right thing with their actions and their silence.


28 posted on 08/15/2013 4:08:30 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Perdogg
I’m waiting for the sex charges. People who say things the regime doesn’t like usually wind up with sex charges.

It sure shut down all criticism of Waco. Scott Ritter. That French World Bank guy. Assange. Nobody will to listen to an accused sex offender.

I’ll bet a beer that some woman (or man) comes forward and accuses Snowden or Glen Greenwald of a sex offense.

29 posted on 08/15/2013 4:09:28 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Perdogg

Do we have to choose either patriot or traitor?

I probably would choose d) none of the above.

Probably like most people of this type his reasoning is/was complex and we really don’t know his motivation for sure.

So far AFAICT all he’s divulged has been that the alphabet soup agencies are listening to every phone call, and watching every keystroke. I’m glad he divulged that. Beyond that - we just don’t know.


30 posted on 08/15/2013 4:09:43 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Zeneta
This is very big business.

From my figuring about a half trillion dollars per year. About half of that goes to the big companies you would expect like Boeing and Grumman but there are a lot of others like Booz Allen (Who makes about $6 billion on government contracts per yer)

To make matters worse these are politically connected companies making a lot of officials both elected and unelected very wealthy. For instance both James Clapper and James Woolsey are one time executives with Booz Allen and lord knows how many congresscritters own stock in that company and many others.
31 posted on 08/15/2013 4:13:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep.

Next up will be cameras everywhere like London.


32 posted on 08/15/2013 4:16:52 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I trust Putin more than obama at this point. This government has zero credibility.

Not to mention that attacking Snowden's character means nothing against the credibility of the information. He could be a marxist cannibal pedophile quadruple agent embezzler drug pushing terrorist 1%er and it doesn't change the fact that the information released demonstrably and verifiably exposed the Gov't up to no f-ing good, cheating in fact on the laws it's supposed to be following. The gov't actions appear to benefit the establishment of an illegal surveillance regime and police state. For the convenience of violating the laws intended to protect us! Ahh, the banality of evil strikes again.

They can't refute the information, so they attack the man. Every time the administration or it's apologists try to deny the information exposed, another shoe drops. Every time someone attacks Snowden's character, they're just wasting our time. They laugh when we fall for it. SUCKERS!

33 posted on 08/15/2013 4:21:48 PM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t know if I’d call him a patriot but I don’t think he had anything the Russians and Chinese don’t already know.

I called him a patriot in order to needle a little :) We still don't know the whole Snowden story.

Sandy Berger was worse in my opinion. He got probation and a seat on the board of the international crisis group.

I still want to know what papers Berger stole from the Archives. He should have been arrested for treason and if found guilty, executed.

Berger is another in a long line of utterly corrupt, vile, disgusting and immoral politicians.

34 posted on 08/15/2013 4:33:09 PM PDT by sand88
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If anyone wants to know why I don’t believe we have any secrets anymore, just take a look at this list of board members of the International crisis group. Be sure to click the link to Senior advisors at the bottom of the page.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx

BTW its worth noting that Mohammad ElBaradei who stepped down as interim VP of Egypt yesterday is a former member of the ICG. He stepped down from his position on the board when the uprising against Mubarak began.


35 posted on 08/15/2013 4:42:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gator113
Sources:
36 posted on 08/15/2013 4:45:51 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: cripplecreek

It’s as if the missions and activities of “NGO’s” have become privatized, “For-Profit” corporations.


37 posted on 08/15/2013 4:53:25 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: cripplecreek

This actually goes really deep.

It’s profiting on the destruction of capitalism.


38 posted on 08/15/2013 4:58:38 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: RaceBannon
Russia and China could care less about my facebook password

You're right on that one. Unfortunately our government does. You've got this one backwards. Snowden did us all a great service by exposing it.

39 posted on 08/15/2013 5:01:30 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: Brown Deer
He's a traitor!

Then what do you call the NSA who is ILLEGALLY monitoring every one of us?

Or obama and this admin which is allowing it to happen?

Or the RINO's standing by watching?

Crickets. Why am I not surprised?
40 posted on 08/15/2013 5:16:10 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RaceBannon

what’s a ronulan?


41 posted on 08/15/2013 5:18:27 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: cripplecreek; hoosiermama; SE Mom; penelopesire; thouworm; LucyT

“So how much money did Dell soak the taxpayers for?”

Bigger question: Why are “sources” throwing Dell under the bus?


42 posted on 08/15/2013 5:21:00 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
Bigger question: Why are “sources” throwing Dell under the bus?

To protect Booz Allen and former employees like James Clapper.
43 posted on 08/15/2013 5:33:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: sand88

>> The fact that the evil Rove, Beohner, the left and most of the RINOs call him a traitor tells me

Snowden could have been the straw, not to break the NSA, but to expose the frauds in Congress.

Of the bazillion bytes and soundbites on the matter, only a small percentage addresses the fact that Congress legislates the policies and the funding through which the NSA operates. The same goes for every other “rogue” agency. It is our so-called “representatives” that are responsible.


44 posted on 08/15/2013 5:47:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Bingo.

Obama and his democrats are sweating over Snowden because Snowden exposed their Orwellian punk @sses.

Agents of the RNC (who have been compromised through blackmail) are also speaking against Snowden.

One thing is certain: Satan tells fewer lies than all of these people, and I am willing to listen to Snowden before I listen to them.

45 posted on 08/15/2013 5:48:08 PM PDT by Prole
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To: maggief

>> Bigger question: Why are “sources” throwing Dell under the bus?

Scapegoating, eventual extortion, and the reluctance to demand answers from the policy makers that facilitate the alleged nefarious activity.


46 posted on 08/15/2013 5:50:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: no-s
Not to mention that attacking Snowden's character means nothing against the credibility of the information.

Attacking Snowden's character is nothing more than smoke blown in our face to distract us from the fact that he revealed what is being done. As far as I'm concerned, the more I hear these kinds of stories, the less I'm drawn to any arguments about him being a traitor. The government can manufacture whatever the hell stories it thinks the low-information voters will swallow.

47 posted on 08/15/2013 5:52:27 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Brown Deer

How is he a traitor to the American people by letting them know that the government is spying on them? Where is the treason in this? How is revealing illegal activities being done(against the American people) by a government institution treason?
The USA is the American people, not the government. The government has and will continue to do illegal things behind closed doors towards the people, and anyone who DEFENDS the people by whistleblowing is definitely not a traitor.
Exactly who was he betraying? The American people?


48 posted on 08/15/2013 6:13:15 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: Brown Deer

If someone is a traitor for breaking a law, what is an Agency, a President, a Congress, a Federal Employee, who breaks the Constitution?


49 posted on 08/15/2013 6:20:20 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: RaceBannon

I agree with you. There is no way the Russians and the Chinese kept him away from us because they liked him. If he had qualms about what the agencies were doing, he could have steered the NYT or someone to the story not unlike “Deep Throat” did. Instead he grabbed a lot of classified stuff and fled, winding up a guest of Putin..


50 posted on 08/15/2013 6:21:44 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The GOP, the ultimate battered wife? Or willing co-conspirators? You decide..)
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