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Did Obama Just Illegally Raise Taxes?
Flightdeck

Posted on 08/15/2013 3:29:14 PM PDT by Flightdeck

As was widely reported this week, the White House has delayed implementation of out-of-pocket caps in Obamacare insurance policies until 2015.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/13/yet-another-white-house-obamacare-delay-out-of-pocket-caps-waived-until-2015/

The SCOTUS decision justified the constitutionality of Obamacare by rendering the cost of its policies to be taxes. By delaying out-of-pocket caps, the cost (tax) to the consumer will increase significantly for many policyholders. This amounts to a unilateral, White-House mandated tax increase which did not originate in the House of Representatives, let alone pass with a vote.

Can a FR lawyer explain to this humble engineer why this is legal?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: constitution

1 posted on 08/15/2013 3:29:14 PM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: Flightdeck

Everything about Obama is Illegal...I would really like to see the passport he used in his 20’s - his college transcripts — a few other things...we know less about this guy than any other president in out history...that’s bad folks!


2 posted on 08/15/2013 3:32:06 PM PDT by BCW (Book - http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Flightdeck

As if Hussein and the cabal of statists who give him his orders care about legality.....


3 posted on 08/15/2013 3:32:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Flightdeck
Can a FR lawyer explain to this humble engineer why this is legal?

Party affiliation (Democrat) and race (half-black) trump the Constitution. For similar precedent, see Zimbabwe.



4 posted on 08/15/2013 3:34:41 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Tagline copyright in violation of Directive 10-289)
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To: Flightdeck
Did Obama Just ACT Illegally Raise Taxes?

Yes.

5 posted on 08/15/2013 3:35:29 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Flightdeck

he wouldn’t do that, would he?


6 posted on 08/15/2013 3:36:39 PM PDT by 1st Division guy
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To: Flightdeck
The president used to be a citizen just like everyone else. We The People are the type of people Franklin envisioned when he responded to the lady who asked : " So, what have you given us?" " A republic - if you can keep it"

We lost it

7 posted on 08/15/2013 3:39:09 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Flightdeck

Yep. Whatcha’ gonna’ do about it?


8 posted on 08/15/2013 3:40:27 PM PDT by Washi
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To: Flightdeck

the question with a shorter list of answers would be in which actions has Obama actually followed the Constitution?


9 posted on 08/15/2013 3:41:00 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: Flightdeck

Obama has already suspended the Constitution, so none of this really matters anymore.


10 posted on 08/15/2013 3:41:28 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: Flightdeck
We have our first dictator. America is finished and we have no one really taking to the court or start impeachment.
11 posted on 08/15/2013 3:41:58 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Flightdeck

He’s illegal as is everything he does and there’s not one set of balls in the House or Senate that will do anything about it.

The American government has been castrated, our military has been used as a social engineering experiment, the LGBT crowd is running rampant along, racial divide is increasing, illegal immigrants aren’t breaking the law and are “undocumented” and the class division is growing.

Americans that could vote won’t and the majority that do are so damn ignorant they should be classified as retarded and their voting rights revoked.

Pissed off is an understatement. Guess I’m just a proud white cracker, hard working, earned everything I own, responsible, tax paying conservative.


12 posted on 08/15/2013 3:43:11 PM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: Flightdeck

52% of people agree with him on everything he does. Those of us that don’t are racists.


13 posted on 08/15/2013 3:46:53 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: Flightdeck

Didn’t Roberts and his boys call the individual mandate penalty a tax? Though this will make premiums higher, it doesn’t touch the mandate does it?


14 posted on 08/15/2013 3:47:37 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: BCW
...his college transcripts...

From what I gather reading on the net, nobody in his (alleged) graduating class (1983) at Columbia ever saw him, either on campus or in a classroom.

One worries that this is might be his biggest con.

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15 posted on 08/15/2013 3:57:24 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Flightdeck
Can a FR lawyer explain to this humble engineer why this is legal?

The Law and the Constitution are superseded - Obama's Black skin trumps all.


16 posted on 08/15/2013 4:00:26 PM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Flightdeck
The SCOTUS decision justified the constitutionality of Obamacare by rendering the cost of its policies to be taxes. By delaying out-of-pocket caps, the cost (tax) to the consumer will increase significantly for many policyholders. This amounts to a unilateral, White-House mandated tax increase which did not originate in the House of Representatives, let alone pass with a vote.

That's not technically true. What the Supreme Court did was to render the "penalty" that is invoked against individuals who do not purchase qualifying health insurance under ObamaCare as a "tax." Not all of the "costs of its policies." So, delaying the out-of-pocket cap is not an illegal tax.

It's an illegal act--nothing in the law allows Obama to unilaterally delay the provisions of the law (that I know of -- the damn thing is so long, who knows what's in there?)

17 posted on 08/15/2013 4:05:22 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Flightdeck

Yes indeed, he did. He did, he will, he would, and he can, so why not?


18 posted on 08/15/2013 4:13:39 PM PDT by V K Lee
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To: Flightdeck

Are you serious?


19 posted on 08/15/2013 4:36:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Gator113

Obama can’t suspend the Constitution on his own. Obama, Congress, the Supreme Court, and the military, by looking the other way and not acting, have suspended the Constitution. Those who took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and knowingly ignored their responsibilities are all guilty of treason. With malfeasance so widespread and entrenched, the back door overthrow seems complete. At this point, the whole eligibility argument is meaningless.

It might be time to water the Tree of Liberty. I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later.


20 posted on 08/15/2013 4:53:38 PM PDT by slouper (LWRC M6A2)
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To: Logical me

“We have our first dictator. America is finished and we have no one really taking to the court or start impeachment.”

Today Rush Limbaugh, talking the potential Hillary will run in 2016 did make a comment something to the effect if Obama decides to give up the office in 2016.

Given the way events are unfolding, and at an extremely rapid pace, I’d say the odds are better than 50/50 if Obama announced he was suspending the election and would be submitting a new Constitution for ratification by Congress (not the states), the Congress would ratify it.


21 posted on 08/15/2013 5:14:11 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Flightdeck
Did Obama Just Illegally Raise Taxes?

Not for the first time, either.
And the House, the only entity with the "standing" and power to prevent it, sit with their thumbs up their Obamas!

I have asked this regularly for the last FIVE years...
When the government acts illegally, and elected representatives fail to prevent it, or actually participate in the criminality, what options are left for the ordinary citizen?

That is a serious question.
Answer, anyone?

22 posted on 08/15/2013 5:29:49 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Soul of the South
Constitution for ratification by Congress (not the states), the Congress would ratify it.

Unless something has changed (in Obamacare's 20,000 pages?) if memory serves me right, any amendment must still be ratified by 2/3 of all the states.

Am I mistaken?

23 posted on 08/15/2013 7:16:32 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: publius911
if memory serves me right, any amendment must still be ratified by 2/3 of all the states.

The states must ratify amendments to the Constitution, you are correct. But the proportion is 3/4, not 2/3.

24 posted on 08/15/2013 7:36:02 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Flightdeck

I KNEW from from the beginning that if somehow Obamacare was defeated, overturned, or delayed, all that tax money needed for would stay with (or continue to flow to) the government.

Republicans can’t say ‘no’ to tax increases, either. And the better the disguise, the more they like it!


25 posted on 08/20/2013 9:31:05 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Flightdeck
Can a FR lawyer explain to this humble engineer why this is legal?

"Legal"??

My friend, I'm afraid we all have now entered a world that is ruled by an outlaw regime, a world where sockpuppets in Congress are mere props...a land where using the US Constitution as Charmin is business as usual and insane policies replace common sense. You have entered the NWO-Zone.


26 posted on 08/20/2013 9:49:57 PM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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