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Oregon Supreme Court finds Portland law prohibiting loaded guns in public places constitutional
The Oregonian ^ | August 15, 2013 | Helen Jung

Posted on 08/15/2013 8:23:36 PM PDT by hiho hiho

A city of Portland ordinance that prohibits carrying loaded guns in public places does not violate a person's right to bear arms, the Oregon Supreme Court has ruled The decision in State and City of Portland v. Jonathan D. Christian, released Thursday, is believed to be the first time the state's highest court has weighed in on the ordinance. The justices' endorsement of the law's constitutionality comes as communities across the country continue a heated debate over government regulations of firearms.

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 08/15/2013 8:23:36 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: hiho hiho

A gun without bullets is just a stick ... or a rock.


2 posted on 08/15/2013 8:26:27 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: hiho hiho

And the freedom of speech is guaranteed so long as you can’t actually say anything.


3 posted on 08/15/2013 8:27:06 PM PDT by Argus
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To: hiho hiho

Is an Oregon State Forest a “Public Place?”

Inquisitive minds of hunters want to know.


4 posted on 08/15/2013 8:27:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: hiho hiho

Clip in my left hand gun in my right. BS law but it won’t stop real men or women from carrying.


5 posted on 08/15/2013 8:27:58 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: hiho hiho

I think the decision is clearly unconstitutional. One of the purposes of the right to bear arms is the right to self-defense, and a gun is pretty much worthless for self-defense until it is loaded. This ruling is equivalent to saying that the 1st Amendment protects all speech except speech critical of the government.


6 posted on 08/15/2013 8:29:28 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: shibumi
if the Arms aren't ARMED...and they arent if they arent loaded ...do they still qualify as ARMS??

Id say that logic will play no role in the FINAL DECISION on this matter due to the hysteria that's been overwhelmingly FAR MORE POPULAR than OLD SCHOOL sequential western logic
7 posted on 08/15/2013 8:30:43 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: hiho hiho

Unlike rodeo clowns, “judge” clowns don’t wear Obama masks when they’re goofing off and pulling their antics.


8 posted on 08/15/2013 8:32:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Senator Foghorn says, You should never resist being raped, robbed, beat down or murdered.)
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To: hiho hiho

and which Constitution was that?


9 posted on 08/15/2013 8:32:50 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: shibumi
In related news, Portland City council has also banned "exessively sharp" knives... except those used in religious rituals... you know, like female genital mutilation, and beheadings.

</sarc>

10 posted on 08/15/2013 8:33:27 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: hiho hiho

Years ago, CA decided that you could Open Carry only if the Gun was unloaded.

Last year, CA decided that Open Carry is Illegal.

Now, CA is passing Laws banning Rifles with “removable” Magazines and is “registering” people who buy Ammo.

Drip, drip, drip. Too bad about Oregon.


11 posted on 08/15/2013 8:33:31 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: Steve_Seattle

when a missle is ARMED...it is a weapon...when it AINT...its simply an expensive piece of hardware.

Logically the same would hold true for a firearm

it isnt a firearm if it cant be FIRED and it cant be fired unless its loaded.

Our FREEDOM to bear arms doesnt state anything about an UNLOADED WEAPONS.


12 posted on 08/15/2013 8:33:38 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: hiho hiho
"Dude.. It's like totally constitutional"


13 posted on 08/15/2013 8:33:40 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

fer shure!!!

did this court confer with Prince Barry...Soetero prior to making this so called decision>??


14 posted on 08/15/2013 8:35:51 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Naw, They have plenty of their own smart people in Portland.


15 posted on 08/15/2013 8:37:34 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
"if the Arms aren't ARMED...and they arent if they arent loaded ...do they still qualify as ARMS??"

Good point. Also, the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to "keep and BEAR arms." "Bear" means to carry on one's person.
16 posted on 08/15/2013 8:41:01 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: hiho hiho

Guess we won’t go up to Portland any more.

I assume it’ll be kicked up to the next court instantly.


17 posted on 08/15/2013 8:48:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Id say the judge who be overturned.....its DECISIONS at any rate

turning it over the KNEE and JUDICIOUSLY applying a series of whacks would I guess be asking too much.


18 posted on 08/15/2013 8:50:28 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: hiho hiho

Well, at least the citizens of Portland can now feel secure that their gang bangers won’t have any ammo in their guns. (s)


19 posted on 08/15/2013 9:00:24 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: hiho hiho

I believe Balmy (not the weather kind) Portland is the city wherein, not long ago, an armed man duly permitted to carry concealed put a stop to a shooting rampage in a shopping mall by putting the mad shooter down.
Apparently the Ruling Blind Mice didn’t appreciate that outcome.


20 posted on 08/15/2013 9:00:27 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: hiho hiho

Excuse me, mr robber, I must load my firearm. Would you give me a fair chance?


21 posted on 08/15/2013 9:00:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: hiho hiho

so the guards and police in public locations in Portland won’t have loaded weapons.... right?

didn’t think so


22 posted on 08/15/2013 9:07:19 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: hiho hiho; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.

23 posted on 08/15/2013 9:13:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hiho hiho
A Contradiction in Terms=

The moron judge should get a dictionary

A city of Portland ordinance that prohibits CARRYING loaded guns in public places does not violate a person's right to BEAR arms,

1887 Webster`s Dictionary:

"to bear, bear v.t., 1. to support and move; or CARRY"

24 posted on 08/15/2013 9:16:13 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Elsiejay

The young man who stopped the shopping mall shooter in Oregon.....that happened just days before Sandy Hook last December.

The shooter saw the young conceal carry guy aiming a firearm at him. The shooter stopped shooting, then ran off and shot himself.


25 posted on 08/15/2013 9:20:34 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a chain of convenience stores.)
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Oregon is a traditional open carry state. However, their preemption statute only covers concealed handgun license holders from city or county passed bans against loaded firearms in public places. To our knowledge, only the cities of Portland, Beaverton, Tigard, Oregon City, Salem, and Independence have passed loaded firearms bans encompassing all public places, and other cities have passed bans specific to Parks. Also, all “public buildings” are also off limits throughout the entire state unless you have a concealed handgun license.
26 posted on 08/15/2013 9:46:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: hiho hiho

Before you all get too exercised over this, you might want to read the case and understand the facts. Here’s the link to the opinion.

http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/docs/S060407.pdf

Here’s a synopsis. This defendant dropped a bag o concealed guns, some loaded, inside a store and left them to go squat outside. More weapons and ammo concealed on his person. No concealed carry permit. The Portland city ordinance in question has ample exceptions built into it (including concealed carry permittees, hunters and fishers on the way to or from hunting and fishing, folks going to and from target shooting, and anyone else permitted by law to carry for self defense purposes).

Lets not overreact.


27 posted on 08/15/2013 10:01:13 PM PDT by MisterEd37 (TSA: You don't get on until we get off!)
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To: sten; All
so the guards and police in public locations in Portland won’t have loaded weapons.... right?

Good question!

And when people dial 911 to report shooting, they'll have to bear in mind that judges are already declaring that citizens have no constitutional right to police protection.

We Have No Constitutional Right To Police Protection

But this is undoubtedly because the Founding States had made the 2nd Amendment to make it clear that citizens are responsible for policing themselves.

And speaking of Portland, OR, its' been less than a year since a gunner killed himself and 2 others in a mall outside Portland.

3 dead in Oregon mall shooting

28 posted on 08/15/2013 10:23:36 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: shibumi
define loaded.

If a round is not in the pipe, how can it be described as loaded?

29 posted on 08/15/2013 10:28:21 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: MisterEd37
The Portland city ordinance in question has ample exceptions built into it (including concealed carry permittees, hunters and fishers on the way to or from hunting and fishing, folks going to and from target shooting, and anyone else permitted by law to carry for self defense purposes).

Lets not overreact.

Killjoy. Your synopsis took all the fun out of this thread.

30 posted on 08/15/2013 10:37:54 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: hiho hiho

We are told NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few fringe lunatics, but ...we are encouraged TO judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.


31 posted on 08/16/2013 3:29:27 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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