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Posted on 08/16/2013 12:28:03 PM PDT by null and void
Many in U.S. Army are secret members of Anonymous; more leaks are coming
The group-name Anonymous refers to a loosely associated, decentralized network of hacktivists political activists who hack into secured websites, then leak the information free to the public.
The group originated in 2003 on the Internet forum 4chan, representing the concept of many online and offline community users simultaneously existing as an anarchic, digitized global brain. The group became known for a series of well-publicized hacks and denial-of-service attacks on government, religious, and corporate websites, including U.S. and Israeli government agencies, the Church of Scientology, child porn sites, PayPal, Mastercard, Visa, and military contractors.
Supporters have called the group freedom fighters and digital Robin Hoods, but critics have described them as a cyber lynch-mob or cyber terrorists. In 2012, Time magazine called Anonymous one of the 100 most influential people in the world.
Anonymous members (known as Anons) can be distinguished in public by the wearing of stylised Guy Fawkes masks. Guy Fawkes is the best-known member of the Gunpowder Plot, an attempt to blow up the British House of Lords in London in 1605.
Now a member of Anonymous, who is an active-duty captain in the U.S. Army, has given an interview to BuzzFeed, anonymously of course. He claims that there are many Anons in the U.S. military, including middle- to high-ranking NCOs (non-commissioned officers), who are profoundly alienated from the military. He promises that more leaks are forthcoming.
A Guy Fawkes mask on the dashboard is just one way this Army captain tips off other soldiers that hes a fellow member of Anonymous.
Justine Sharrock interviews the anonymous U.S. Army Anon for BuzzFeed, Aug. 9, 2013.
Are there a lot of members of Anonymous in the Army?
There are more than you would think, more heavily in the techie world [of the military] especially at Fort Huachuca [U.S. Army installation in S.E. Arizona], where all the intel people are. A lot of them wanted to get the job [there] because they want to learn secret stuff and have a better personal understanding of how the world actually works.
How do you know who is in Anonymous?
Initially we have the handshaking phase. The lingo is still relatively unknown. In conversation, you drop in jokes. If you are with someone on a mission, youre like, Man, there are over 9,000 reasons that this is a bad idea. That initially establishes friendship. Once you feel comfortable with the person and they arent just posing as part of the culture, then you talk about what theyve done and how much a part of it they are. It gets to the point where you are discussing individual operations.
What are the most popular operations amongst soldiers?
Anonymous is so distributed and leaderless that everyone has operations they love and hate. Operation Cartel, especially at Fort Bliss [in El Paso, Texas].Operation Dark Net was universally loved. And Operation Payback was pretty well received.
What about you?
I was involved in the Arab Spring opening up internet communications. I was a facilitator for a lot of people who have more skills than me in the cyber world. I knew people who I met through 4chan, 9Chan, and 7Chan and then a lot of AnonOps IRCs and who they needed to talk to the organizations that would help them, and people in government would give them resources and access and was able to convince them to talk to people in Anonymous. I got people in the right [internet relay chat] rooms at the right time.
Would the military consider you a white or black hat?
The military sees me as black hat.
Is that a fair assessment?
All hats are gray. Every white hacker I know has a night job that is very much a black-hat job.
What were the results of what you did for the Arab Spring?
From what I heard they were able to establish ways to assist the activists to have a method where they could get information out of Egypt and have certain Twitter accounts tweet that information on their behalf. But I dont know for sure. As soon as I was like, Hey, this is this person, and vice versa, they did tweet confirmation to make sure that certain Twitter accounts were controlled by certain people, and then I headed out of the room so there would be no taint of having a fed there.
Why do Anonymous members outside the military trust you?
My credibility is incredibly suspect in the group. I admit I work for the feds, and I provide information on myself so that they are comfortable. There are people who I only know as screen names but I have put my career in their hands.
What specific actions have other soldiers taken?
There are several [soldiers] I know that probably did things, but I dont know know that they did. I can legally say, probably under a [lie] detector, I have no proof that they did it. We keep our activities totally separate because at any point in time I can be put in the chair that I cant lie in. You have to keep the /b/ [4chans Random board] brotherhood strong.
Does the military know about the Anonymous presence?
Pre-Manning, there were several academic papers put out trying to analyze it and school the leadership. Because the Army is a very top-down organization, they assume that [Anonymous] is too. Leadership wasnt concerned with it until Manning happened. Then they read everything under the [lens] of what Manning did and it just scared them scared them blind. They know we are in there and they assume that we are all going to do a Manning or a Snowden.
How have they addressed it?
Every six months you are mandated to get a Threat Awareness and Reporting Procedures Brief. It used to be very much like how to spot the Iraqi contractor who is pacing off your base. Now it is, Look at the person at your left and right. Are they espousing social beliefs that dont line up with Army values? What websites do they go to at work? With the caveat that it is OK to have political beliefs that are different. You get a heavy-handed feeling.
I have had more than a few officers come up to me and as we are trying to talk about [Anonymous] they are worried, like, Are you CID [working undercover for the Central Investigative Division]? Because you always worry about that.
Are the retaliations against Manning and Snowden discouraging Anonymous activity and the desire to leak information?
A lot [of Anonymous members] have been in long enough and are jaded. They are watching as the government comes down harder and harder. There is a growing sense of disdain and hatred because we are complicit in it. There are some secrets that need to be secrets but the stuff [the military] keeps secret just to protect the bottom line you just feel like you are selling your soul every day. That is a lot of the motivation. Especially for people of the generation that believe that information should be free.
Are we going to see more leaks?
Yes. A lot [of Anonymous members] are mid- to high-rank NCOs. They are well-respected, have connections, and overly large security clearances. A lot of people who are part of the [Anonymous] culture are just dying at this point for something to come across their table that isnt already out there. It is so easy to leak information that if you want to, you can do it.
Hint: Sheep get sheared, slaughtered and eaten.
Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!
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Not smart to take an oath and then use your access to break the oath.
What more angry homosexuals?
“Not smart to take an oath and then use your access to break the oath.”
Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg could attest to that.
Sounds imprudent from an OpSec perspective.
Actually, Col. von Stauffenberg would attest that if you’re doing something important, you need to stick around until it’s complete.
Lots of people “could”
yup. Either the interviewer was getting played, or the interviewee was pretending to be a whole lot more important than they were. Or both.
Now we have an organized sub culture of Marxist subversives in the military.Or so it's claimed.Un-bleepin-belivable.
Do you follow your oath, or your orders?
Legal precedent, Nuremberg:
"I vas yust vollowink orders" didn't save anyone from blame, trial, culpability, or hanging.
This guy was stroking his own ego.
You know the answer.
I think Mr. Snowden accomplished more by keeping his story in the media for weeks on end as opposed to surrendering to some clandestine agency that’d just lock him away without trial.
Actually, Anonymous isn’t very lockstep at all. The two primary factions that loosely work together for the sake of computer ability, are both marxists and libertarian types.
This sparks a lot of in-fighting on certain politically charged hacking targets.
Yes I do. But based on your post #3, it may not be the same answer you’d give.
The ones suspending and violating the Constitution, or the ones exposing them?
Shhh! Easy, then. You can't insinuate anything about Big Rachel's supporter, The Annointed One! He's been getting away with it for over five years, and I'm taking a WAG here that he will never announce that you look "just like" his son...
Good...(leaks that are exposing domestic enemies [TOTALITARIANS]) Thanks for posting.
How about military PsyOps?
I keep my oath.
Then I believe we are on the same, very painful and very uncomfortable page.
Hey as long as the Army isn’t doing anything wrong they shouldn’t have a problem with it.
I mean hell that’s what they tell us all the time.
Heck, I had to serve under Carter.
Those were dark days my friend.
I can not imagine how dark it is now.
As an aside, what ever became of the Clinton-era “Special Forces Underground”?
There is one Freeper who’s father-in-law is a retired Army colonel who is quite certain they existed.
They seem to have just faded away.
Jaded is a bad place to stay.
We have some amazing founding ideals and I wish more took who we are seriously on the way there. Some do.
An exercise left for the reader:
What happens when the Oath is changed to an oath of personal fealty to the leader?
2 August 1934, Deutsches Reich.
I came of draft age under Nixon...
So it’s purely obama people who are exposing the treasonous actions of the obama admenstruation.
I just missed that.
I volunteered at the height of the hostage crisis in Iran.
And just who are the traitors and who are the patriots?
FRiend or Comrade?
You too? We all hated the ba- rstool. Yes, that’s it, “barstool”. Not the other b-word...
Enlisted Oath of Enlistment:
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
Oath of Office(officer/warrent officer):
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”
Notice NO Expiration Date!
Images from emails don’t post...
I think it is amazing how none of this sticks to Obama.
It just undermines trust in the establishment Gov.
It is a psychological quandary how people assign it all to a shadow Gov and not to THE Current Gov.
I have never seen anything like it.
Obama could take a **** in the punch bowl in front of everyone.
And the people would drink it up while muttering about Bush, and how he never served punch.
I find this story sending up yellow/brown flags.
Anonymous has a history of being pro-homo. They have taken their cyber-crayons to several Web organizations in the past for less.
Odinga’s military is now pro-homo, to the point of forcing out those who will not bend over (deliberate choice of words) to the regime. Therefore, they would not attack their own.
Most of the remaining military is interested only in making it to twenty, retiring, and living in their dachas by the lake. Patriotism is passe, a relic of the old days.
We had other names LOL
All contracts and most crimes are deemed by Statute of Limitations to expire after a period of no greater than ten years.
Most people have no idea. Even when we were ORDERED to attend when he was planning a base visit, we were warned that hurled objects, to include nouns, verbs, or opinions of any sort would bring dire consequences and retaliations. Extra stress on the “dire” part.
So then who wins?
Obama could take a **** in the punch bowl in front of everyone.Entirely too true.
And the people would drink it up while muttering about Bush, and how he never served punch.
My Oath(s) of Enlistment is NOT and NEVER will be a mere “Contract”! It is a compact with ALL who came before me in wearing the Uniform of my Country with my blood and life if need be.