Skip to comments.Post-Zimmerman trial, a divided America
Posted on 08/16/2013 9:22:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
We live in a society deeply disjointed by race. We need debate and reconciliation, yes but not white America's condescension.
The George Zimmerman trial is only the latest national controversy to reveal just how separated and disjointed America is in terms of race. It seemed like only a small percentage of people speaking on the trial actually cared about the facts presented by the prosecution and the defense.
By the time the trial started, people either thought a thug attacked an innocent man and got shot for it or a racist followed a black kid and shot him in cold blood, unprovoked. Minds haven't been changed. Opinions haven't been altered. These two sides represent larger opposing groups in America, where race is less a catalyst for discussion and more an invitation for vitriolic arguments.
As usual, whenever there's a national discussion on race, the discourse usually turns to what African Americans are doing wrong. "What is black America doing to cause black America so much distress?" becomes the prevalent headline whenever is leading the news cycles. In this particular case, pundits, scholars and, well, people without any qualification have lined up to offer their magical cures for black America.
Bill O'Reilly dedicated a few segments to quickly diagnose why the African-American community is seeing the highest crime and incarceration rates. Among other suggestions, O'Reilly suggested that "The first solution is, you've got to stop young black women from having babies out of wedlock. You've got to discourage that actively" as well as changing the leadership in the community. Don Lemon, the African-American CNN anchor, came under fire for offering a five-point plan to solve black America's ills.....
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
I’m interested in your values, not your gd race.
I can give you three reasons why...
Some folks only see things in Black and Whitey
No. Our society is fine. Everyone is ok. Only the liberals are having a bad time. Racism is an artifact of the Baby boom era. They are really cooking right now. Read around. I feel like donating money to Jimmy. Someday this will all be over.
What is the division?
Between people who think you should be able to defend yourself and people who think you should just accept death?
This author must be thinking about a different America. In the America I know, whenever there's a national discussion on race, the discourse usually turns to what white people are doing wrong
Driving across America this week, thinking about racial trouble.
I see blacks and whites happily obviously enjoying working together in restaurants. Two children together just rode their bikes past me tonight, one black and one white. Black truckers and white truckers buying gas and using the restaurants peacefully.
I see a young white couple with a baby, visiting across the aisle with a black grandma in the restaurant.
It appears that the whole dangerous race things is isolated to the college campus, the inner city, the journalism industry, and Congress.
Yes ... inner city and the rest of the earth.
They’re still trying to keep the race card alive? lol. I thought that theme died a week ago. Move. On. Dot. Org.
Someone should tell the author to get with the program: The meme for this week is sodomite athletes.
Who knows what the short-attention-span media wants us to obsess over during the next week.
He speaks as if both sides refuse to look at the facts. Both are equally wrong.
Frankly, that is not true. But what else can you expect from a race baiter writing for the Communist Guardian?
It all boils down to “white guilt”. Whites keep nominating and helping to elect liberals to assuage the guilt they have.
Maybe, but tens of millions of whites in America are true believers in the trio posted.
Nailed it. I wonder why we even bother with Guardian crap.
I saw two interracial couples today in different parts of town, both couples were happy and friendly to those around them.
I saw a black guy and a white guy in a coffee shop yesterday. They were tapping away on their laptops, working together to hammer out some solutions to a business problem.
If the author would just open his mind a bit, he’d see a much better world than the bleak world he’s trying to invent.
Facts versus Opinions “based on Color”.
That’s a tough call right there.
~~~But what else can you expect from a race baiter writing for the Communist Guardian?~~~
We have a winner. I never forget that The Guardian is also anti-Israel with all their nonsense.
Pure BS. The race mangers and media tried to turn a drugged out criminal punk into a martyr to advance a race victim hood and anti 2nd Admendment agendas.
The travesty of this incident, avoided by George Zimmerman’s jury of peers through their “not guilty” verdict was the callous disregard for the truth and attempt to railroad an innocent man to advance their narratives.
So the 400 year history means you can't pull your pants up?
I will agree that the problem is frought with psychological and historical complexities, but the solutions are pretty straightforward.
A Mexican friend of mine (and now I use the term “Mexican Friend” lightly) , told me that I did not understand racism because I was white. That, having never experienced it, I was not “ qualified” to to determine my own racism.
I’m not revealing what I said to him in return.
“Shut up,” he explained.
"Everything's cool. Everything's very cool all the way around." - Woodstock stage announcement
You know, according to the liberals you can only be a racist if you are a member of a superior race.
Mull that over.
These two sides represent larger opposing groups in America, where race is less a catalyst for discussion and more an invitation for vitriolic arguments.
I disagree.. Whats happening is a large part of the media is fomenting racial mirages.. On Purpose.. With various political forces exacerbating and escalating the problem.. On Purpose.. Various political forces are dividing Americans On Purpose.. For CONQUEST!.. beyond sedition..
Divide and conquer.. pure and simple.. racial espionage.. and agitprop..
No need to expose the source, we all know the source..
Even democrats know the source.. few will admit it..
What it takes to piss off a republican seems to be unlimited..
Republicans know as much as they want to know of this..
Which is very little.. The Republican Party “IS” a house of cards..
Call them a racist and they cave like a Sand Castle.. in the Surf..
You cannot win elections in that state of mind.. so they don’t..
And Mulattos will get away with being called Black, when they are NOT..
To perpetuate the MIRAGE!...
American black culture in the United States is toxic and a latrine of nasty things.. Nothing good comes from it..
Until this is spoken the mirage with continue..
Blacks need to run from american black culture and whites need to set up dams to hold it out..
Any that does NOT will be Slimed..
Post Obama; America now more divided then ever,
Let’s be real. The failures of the black community in The Greatest Country in The History of The World are too psychologically devastating for blacks to own up to so fingers get pointed at whites and Democrats turn that into politics.
It’s like watching a never ending train wreck, there is always more and more train coming down the track.
As a white man, I have experienced racism many times.
I have been in restaurants in California where I would not have gotten out alive if I had not been with a Mexican friend.
I have been in neighborhoods where I was lucky to come out unharmed.
I have been targeted by black panhandlers who were so aggressive, I gave them money just to go away.
All of these things are racism.
I solved my issues by no longer going into any of these places.
Trayvon Martin jumped the shark weeks ago. Its over. I know you don’t want it to be over Mr. Author, but its over.
Okay everyone, break it up. C’mon lets go. You don’t have to go home but you can’t stay here.
You know, according to the liberals you can only be a racist if you are a member of a superior race.
Mull that over.
You know, the next to e a minority brings up racism, I think I’ll just point this little fact out.
.....I prefer a charitable donation rather than flowers at my funeral....
Pre-Zimmerman trial, a divided America.
Where's the news in this article?
It’s like a demonic kindergarten out there...minorities have been handed freebies on a silver platter due to white guilt. They’d really like to stretch that inch into a mile.
But “homey don’t play that” my guilt is as extended as it will ever get. It’s over. Done.
When the Shiite finally hits the fan, things are going to get really ugly. And when the ratio is 75% to 12% (I.e., 6/1), and the 12% can’t shoot straight or feed themselves, I don’t think the outcome will be a surprise.
Especially when that 75% just bought about 80 million firearms and no one knows how much ammunition to go with the hundreds of millions of weapons they already had. There’s never been a set-up like that in world history.
AMERICA was divided long before Zimmerman.......ODUNGO SAW TO IT!
The USA will be divided as long as division is exploitable.
I’m so over it. I have black patients that try to play the race card and I just laugh.
I LOVE telling them my great great GF was emancipated in1861 ( by the Tzar).
“Driving across America this week, thinking about racial trouble. - - - - “
We took a trip from north central US to the east coast. On the interstate system,the rest stops,the travel centers the Black population seemed to be missing. Of course there were a few, but not in proportion to their percent of the population.
So I wondered, don’t they take vacations, drive on business trips, sight see?
The following is a comment that The Guardian, to their credit, allowed to be posted on their site re the article:
17 August 2013 5:24am
The problem has been the focus on irrelevant arguments some of which are actually unsupported by the evidence.
1. GZ racially profiled TM There is no evidence of this.
2. GZ disobeyed an order by the police * The civilian dispatcher, Sean Noffke, testified that he did not give GZ an order and, in fact, he, like his fellow dispatchers, are trained not make comments that sound like commands. * Noffke also testified under cross that, as a result of his asking GZ which way TM was going, GZ could have reasonably interpreted this as being asked to follow Martin. * It is also not a crime in Florida to disregard a comment made by a civilian dispatcher.
3. GZ got out of his car Not a crime on public property and not negligent either.
4. GZ followed TM Again, anyone can follow anyone on a public street unless the followee has obtained a restraining order against the follower and even there, the RS only places time, place, and manner restrictions on the person enjoined.
5. GZ wasnt really injured * Under Floridas self-defense laws, one doesnt have to be injured AT ALL to use deadly force * No one is required to refrain from defending himself while another is engaged in or attempting to commit a felony.
6. TM is dead through no fault of his own * If you believe that TM assaulted GZ, then he IS dead as a result of his own actions.
7. GZ could have left * Under Florida law, there is not a duty to withdraw rather than use deadly force * TM was straddling GZ so how the latter was supposed to leave the scene is unanswered.
8. GZ was armed and TM wasnt * Ones fists can be considered weapons and can result in severe bodily harm or death. * GZ was legally carrying a weapon * There is no requirement under the law that the same weapon be used by the assailant * A homeowner can kill an intruder whether or not he has been threatened * Those that attack cannot feign surprise if they are met with superior firepower.
9. Stand Your Ground! * SYG is NOT at issue in this trial. * The defense is a classic self-defense case.
10. Black men NEVER get to use SYG! * Wrong http://tinyurl.com/nboht35
11. GZ is a man and TM was a boy! * As if boys dont commit murder, rape, and assault everyday in this country.
Stealing that picture - bump.
I think we need to keep track of what the enemy is doing.
Your point needs to be made time and time again!
Left to their own devices, folks in America get along just fine, playing, praying and working with each other based on nothing but the content of their character.
That is, until the Ophonybamas, Jeremiah Wrights, Jacksons, Holders, Sharptons, Sheila Jackson Lees and Corrin Browns et al jump in FRont of a TV camera and start spouting their racist bullshit.
When these LIEberal self-aggrandizing race pimps are totally discredited and tossed into the dustbin of history, we’ll be OK.
Until then, we’ll continue to have trouble in River City!
Jeez! How could I forget?????
I left out the most important segment of our society promoting racial discord:
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!
They need to be tossed into the same dustbin as the race pimps I noted above!
One wonders. I can remember a couple years when I was a volunteer lecturer/guide at the Old Stone House at Manassas Battlefield Park and I cannot remember ever seeing a black face among my audiences.
Neither do they seem to be interested in camping or touring important historical sights. Again, I can only draw upon my experiences doing such things. I can recall seeing but a very, very few at such events.
You know, the next to e a minority brings up racism...
One suggestion, as to the motive--beyond the long term commitment of Obama to war on American traditional values, evidenced by his pre-office associations, his mentors, his arrogant "community organizing," calls for redistribution, and presence in a church for 20 years, where America was "damned"; that Obama has played the race card in so cavalier way over Zimmerman, as a detraction from his outright betrayal of a legitimate interest in a Black community, with huge unemployment, in not having millions of hispanic immigrants taking over jobs that could go to Negro youth.
If Obama can focus frustration in the Black community on hatred of Whites, many will overlook this outright betrayal, under the label of "immigration reform."