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Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11 [VIDEO] [public schools]
yahoo ^ | August 18, 2013

Posted on 08/18/2013 9:28:41 AM PDT by grundle

Quick: what’s 3 x 4?

If you said 11 — or, hell, if you said 7, pi, or infinity squared — that’s just fine under the Common Core, the new national curriculum that the Obama administration will impose on American public school students this fall.

In a pretty amazing YouTube video, Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake, explains that getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer.

“Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” August says in the video.

When someone in the audience (presumably a parent, but it’s not certain) asks if teachers will be, you know, correcting students who don’t know rudimentary arithmetic instantly, August makes another meandering, longwinded statement.

“We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through to get this answer,’” August details. “And not just knowing that it’s 12, but why is it 12? How do I know that?”

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW0VxxoCrNo

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1 posted on 08/18/2013 9:28:41 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Failure is no longer an option. It is now mandatory.


2 posted on 08/18/2013 9:32:28 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: grundle

Homeschooling. Just saying. Your kids might have to work for my kids later.


3 posted on 08/18/2013 9:32:35 AM PDT by jimpick
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To: grundle
“We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through to get this answer,’” August details. “And not just knowing that it’s 12, but why is it 12? How do I know that?”

Building a nation of lawyers, attorneys, climate change alarmists, and gay rights advocates. You don't need to know the correct answers, just how to defend your incorrect ones....

4 posted on 08/18/2013 9:34:38 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: grundle
Amanda August:

Here's your sign! "-"

5 posted on 08/18/2013 9:34:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SpaceBar
6mm arterial valve or 10mm arterial valve? Close enough!

Woops! The patient died...........

6 posted on 08/18/2013 9:35:21 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: grundle

OMG Stupidity following Stupidity. We are sooo screwed as a nation.


7 posted on 08/18/2013 9:35:27 AM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: jimpick

True these kids will become slaves, but I for sure do not want to travel on a bridge, car or use anything these kids will build in the future.


8 posted on 08/18/2013 9:36:31 AM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: SpaceBar

Obama’s race to the bottom leaps “Forward.”


9 posted on 08/18/2013 9:36:54 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: grundle
Obama also wants public schools to replace "Catcher in the Rye" with a book window insulation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/common-core-nonfiction-reading-standards_n_2271229.html

Common Core Nonfiction Reading Standards Mark The End Of Literature, English Teachers Say

But the new guidelines are increasingly worrying English-lovers and English teachers, who feel they must replace literary greats like The Great Gatsby and Catcher in the Rye with Common Core-suggested "exemplars," like the Environmental Protection Agency's Recommended Levels of Insulation and the California Invasive Plant Council's Invasive Plant Inventory.

10 posted on 08/18/2013 9:38:34 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

The march to Idiocracy continues.

Back when we had gray haired white ladies as teachers, they taught us “check your work”. If you think that 3 x 4 = 11, then divide 11 by 4. Did you get 3?

Sending your kid to a public school is child abuse.


11 posted on 08/18/2013 9:39:44 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: grundle

This goes all the time in college as well. If you get the answer wrong, you get “partial” credit as if they are rewarding half-wrong. If it is wrong, it is wrong. No matter of “good intention” is going to make it right.


12 posted on 08/18/2013 9:40:39 AM PDT by sagar
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To: grundle

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=abbott+and+costello+addition+skit&mid=A9CA5D949E306A3E3385A9CA5D949E306A3E3385&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1

Everybody knows 13 x 7 = 28.


13 posted on 08/18/2013 9:42:01 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: grundle
I feel a song coming on.

... plus I have to comment 3X4=11 in base eleven. Recall the doctrine is that numerals name the numbers, and the base specification using digits is always base ten, so it would be correct to read "3X4=11 in base 11" as "three times four equals twelve in base eleven", 'course then, three times four is always twelve anyway! Like, DUH!

14 posted on 08/18/2013 9:42:56 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: grundle

Maybe I’m getting this wrong but I don’t see the beef here.

If a kid gets an answer wrong, he should be made to explain how he derived the answer, then corrected and shown why his conclusion is wrong.

Isn’t it a good thing to be able to explain why you’re correct rather than just knowing the answer by rote i.e. learning multiplication tables?

To me it is akin to spot reading vs phonetics.


15 posted on 08/18/2013 9:44:17 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: dr_lew

“Educators”...spare me.


16 posted on 08/18/2013 9:45:05 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: grundle

I guess I was wasting my time 55yrs ago, memorizing the times tables.


17 posted on 08/18/2013 9:45:49 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Patriot Babe

Don’t worry. They won’t be making anything. Just buying thing s made in Asia.


18 posted on 08/18/2013 9:46:17 AM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: grundle

Who cares what the “how” in the way kids come up with eleven as an answer to 3X4 =?

Like following a map for a route to Virginia from Texas and winding up in Mexico.


19 posted on 08/18/2013 9:46:53 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: grundle

I used to work with an idiot lib reporter that argued to a bunch of us that 1+1 did not have to = 2. Yes he was serious.

I am not shocked.


20 posted on 08/18/2013 9:47:13 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: grundle

Anyone who actually believes this is an Alex Jones type Nut Case....

Get out the tin foil hat...

We know they aren’t targeting Current and Former Military members...

We know they aren’t targeting Libertarian and Tea party members....

We know they aren’t targeting Home Schoolers and Christians...

Wait, they actually ARE....

When people like Mr. Jones are actually starting to make sense you suddenly realize that we as a country are very much screwed RIGHT NOW!


21 posted on 08/18/2013 9:51:19 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Bryanw92

Back when we had gray haired white ladies as teachers, they taught us “check your work”. If you think that 3 x 4 = 11, then divide 11 by 4. Did you get 3?

If you got 3 they would probably tell you you are right and kick you up to the next grade because telling a child they are wrong would totally shatter their lives...


22 posted on 08/18/2013 9:54:35 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: grundle

Speechless. Thank God my daughter is already in college, and got a solid foundation in math from my wife and myself in addition to her school classes.

The next generation is doomed. Hell, we’re all doomed at this rate...


23 posted on 08/18/2013 9:54:40 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: GraceG

>>If you got 3 they would probably tell you you are right and kick you up to the next grade because telling a child they are wrong would totally shatter their lives...

Nope. They’d fail you (in elementary school, at least). Your father (back when kids had those) would make sure you studied enough to not fail again.


24 posted on 08/18/2013 10:00:21 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Norm Lenhart
We have an indigenous population, carefully nurtured by government controlists to be institutionalized dullards that are sucking down the whole of society like an undertow. Meanwhile China and India are cranking out world class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, physicists etc like they are going out of style. These kids should be taught useful skills, relevant for tomorrow's world like “yes ma'am/no ma'am” in flawless subservient mandarin.
25 posted on 08/18/2013 10:01:43 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Bryanw92

>>If you got 3 they would probably tell you you are right and kick you up to the next grade because telling a child they are wrong would totally shatter their lives...

Nope. They’d fail you (in elementary school, at least). Your father (back when kids had those) would make sure you studied enough to not fail again.

I’m saying they would do that in today’s public screw-hole...


26 posted on 08/18/2013 10:01:51 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Getting a math answer wrong should NEVER result in full credit for that problem. It’s fine to give partial credit, but you shouldn’t be able to skate by with partial or wrong answers as long as you can explain how you derived those answers. It’s not fair to students who can explain their methodology AND derive correct answers.

When I was in college, some professors gave full credit and some didn’t. I had one who required all answers to be calculated to six decimals and if you were off by one decimal for any answer, you received a zero for that quiz.


27 posted on 08/18/2013 10:03:47 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: grundle
I am not an apologist for the Education Establishment but the video needs more context. If it were a test in college and the question is "what is the mean free path of an electron in a gas", then getting the correct formula is the important part. Messing up the arithmetic, especially if it is a timed test we're talking about, is embarrassing but not the end of the world.

OTOH, if she is really talking about 3 X 4=? in grade school, then she's misapplying the idea.

28 posted on 08/18/2013 10:03:59 AM PDT by Cruising Speed
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To: grundle
I really, really wonder, and I'm not joking here, but are these people high? Really? Because that idea sounds like something my burnout friends and I might have come up with after several bong hits when I was in college back in the 80s.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

29 posted on 08/18/2013 10:06:01 AM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: jimpick
Homeschooling. Just saying. Your kids might have to work for my kids later.

My sons' private high school's basketball team was being whipped by a public school rival. The public school's student section was having fun with chants aimed at the private school. The private school responded with the chant, "hey, hey, that's OK. You'll be working for us some day!"

30 posted on 08/18/2013 10:07:13 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: nonamer
Getting a math answer wrong should NEVER result in full credit for that problem

That's not what I wrote in my comment. I wrote that the student should be corrected.

I wrote that it is just as important to understand why you are wrong as well as why you're correct. Math is one of the very few subjects where you can prove beyond a doubt what the correct conclusion is and why.

31 posted on 08/18/2013 10:09:40 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: grundle

Since 11 is a prime number, it cannot have any divisors other than 11 and 1.


32 posted on 08/18/2013 10:11:15 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: GraceG
Back when we had gray haired white ladies as teachers, they taught us “check your work”. If you think that 3 x 4 = 11, then divide 11 by 4. Did you get 3?

I was helping a kid, I think he was around 11 or 12, with his multiplication and division.

He was never taught that they were opposites and once he understood the concept, the light went off!

33 posted on 08/18/2013 10:12:43 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: GraceG
Back when we had gray haired white ladies as teachers, they taught us “check your work”. If you think that 3 x 4 = 11, then divide 11 by 4. Did you get 3?

I was helping a kid, I think he was around 11 or 12, with his multiplication and division.

He was never taught that they were opposites and once he understood the concept, the light went off!

34 posted on 08/18/2013 10:12:47 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: blackdog

10 mg of meds or 100? oops the patient died.

1 quart of oil or 5? oops your car is toast.

50 hertz or 60 hertz? oops your electronics are fried.


35 posted on 08/18/2013 10:14:15 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

This has been going on for a while. Twenty or so years ago, I had an argument with my daughter’s first grade teacher over “inventive” spelling where you just sound it out and spell it, rather than actually learn the correct spelling of words, as well as ‘whole language” reading methods which are another form of child abuse as well.

Needless to say, we pulled out of publik skrools and never went back. We homeschooled and private schooled. My daughter is now an independent and awesome financial analyst in New York. I’m REALLY glad I never listened to that dipsy doodle first grade teacher moron, NOR the gossipy neighbors, NOR my meddling MIL, and just did my own thing.

These poor Obama schoolers are going to be on their knees scrubbing floors or living lives of crime ...it’s really sad.


36 posted on 08/18/2013 10:16:25 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Las Vegas Ron
That's not what I wrote in my comment. I wrote that the student should be corrected.

But that's what the story implies or states, ie. "getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer." Everyone should have a beef with that.
37 posted on 08/18/2013 10:17:39 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: Cruising Speed

Common Core is the new set of education standards for pre-k through 12, so yes this is a grade school example.


38 posted on 08/18/2013 10:18:41 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: LibsRJerks
spelling where you just sound it out and spell it, rather than actually learn the correct spelling of words,

Actually, most words can be spelled by sounding them out. Problem is the English language has many, many exceptions.

39 posted on 08/18/2013 10:20:26 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Did you read this part?

When someone in the audience (presumably a parent, but it’s not certain) asks if teachers will be, you know, correcting students who don’t know rudimentary arithmetic instantly, August makes another meandering, long winded statement.

“We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through to get this answer,’” August details. “And not just knowing that it’s 12, but why is it 12? How do I know that?”

So there's really no guarantee that the students will be corrected at all, as long as they can explain why they know 3x4=11.

40 posted on 08/18/2013 10:20:42 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: GraceG

>>I’m saying they would do that in today’s public screw-hole...

Yeah. That’s exactly what the OP said. The answer isn’t important anymore and everyone passes.


41 posted on 08/18/2013 10:23:43 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freebilly
You don't need to know the correct answers, just how to defend your incorrect ones....

Stolen and printed out

42 posted on 08/18/2013 10:24:11 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: grundle

3x4 is whatever the Party says it is.

“In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable—what then?” - George Orwell


43 posted on 08/18/2013 10:24:22 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: nonamer
"getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer."

Yeah, I didn't catch that part of it the first time I watched it.

But like I mentioned in the comment, explaining how the incorrect conclusion was reached is important to know so you can correct the student.

I assumed the student was corrected.

44 posted on 08/18/2013 10:25:50 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Jim Noble

Leftists do not believe in reality


45 posted on 08/18/2013 10:26:46 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: grundle

“Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake, explains that getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer.”

So, “I guessed” would be just fine.


46 posted on 08/18/2013 10:27:20 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: FreedomOfExpression
So there's really no guarantee that the students will be corrected at all, as long as they can explain why they know 3x4=11.

I know, I got taken to the wood shed already.

I assumed they were corrected...my bad.

47 posted on 08/18/2013 10:29:12 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: grundle
a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake

This is the layer of 'the teaching profession' that needs to be taken out, placed against a wall and sh*t. Leave the teachers to do their thing unencumbered by these idiots. We will get to sorting out the teachers soon after.

48 posted on 08/18/2013 10:32:06 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: knarf

Imagine these people building rockets and spacecraft


49 posted on 08/18/2013 10:33:03 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Las Vegas Ron

One beef is:

There are no absolutes. If there are no absolutes, then nothing is certain. If nothing is certain, then whatever power you or someone like you believes is their salvation or their “teat” for survival is the authority to which one must appeal or conform.

There are some areas in which equivocation is possible. But to now make 2 * 37 = 28 an acceptable answer, provided sufficient justification is supplied, is absurd.


50 posted on 08/18/2013 10:33:05 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both parties are trying to elect a new PEOPLE.)
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