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What secrets do they hold? researchers demand sealed files about JFK assassination be made public...
Daily Mail ^ | 18 August 2013 | AP and DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Posted on 08/18/2013 11:29:47 AM PDT by Pharmboy

--Researchers are most interested in the file on George Joannides, a CIA agent who may have had a connection to Lee Harvey Oswald and acted as a liaison on a later assassination investigation

All documents pertaining to the Kennedy assassination are set to be released by 2017

Fifty years after the assassination of President John F Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, researchers are still investigating his mysterious murder.

Thousands of pages pertaining to the assassination are still sealed, and researchers are calling for a complete public release.

Jefferson Morley, former Washington Post Reporter currently suing the CIA to release the data, is most interested in a file containing about 300 pages on the now-deceased CIA agent George Joannides.


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assassination; cia; jfk
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1 posted on 08/18/2013 11:29:47 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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2 posted on 08/18/2013 11:33:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Pharmboy
I'm convinced that they'd show that the Soviet Union played a more direct role in the assassination.

Oswald was a communist. He'd spent time with the Soviets. There's even a photo of him holding a rifle and communist pamphlets.

The left are keeping details secret because they want to continue to hide just how awful that leftist-socialist "utopia" was.

3 posted on 08/18/2013 11:37:12 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Pharmboy
Fifty years after the assassination of President John F Kennedy in Dallas, Texas

How about we concentrate on fifty years after the supposed alleged spawning of the illegitimate, bisexual, Marxist Kenyan Muslim Usurper!

4 posted on 08/18/2013 11:41:57 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: freerepublicchat

“Oswald was a communist. He’d spent time with the Soviets.”

That should have been obvious- people didn’t just come and go at will in the Soviet Union.... I think they have been keeping a lid on that because if the truth had come out there would have been a nuclear war.


5 posted on 08/18/2013 11:44:42 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: freerepublicchat

“Oswald was a communist. He’d spent time with the Soviets.”

That should have been obvious- people didn’t just come and go at will in the Soviet Union.... I think they have been keeping a lid on that because if the truth had come out there would have been a nuclear war.


6 posted on 08/18/2013 11:44:47 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: freerepublicchat

Gerald Posner - no, no relation to Vladimir Posner, has written a book debunking all of these theories.


7 posted on 08/18/2013 11:45:39 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Pharmboy

Apparently, it is myth that the “records” sealed and will be opened soon.


8 posted on 08/18/2013 11:49:23 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: freerepublicchat

I’m still skeptical of the whole Soviet angle. Oswald started trying to join Communist groups as a teenager, in the 50’s, but was summarily rejected because they were suspicious of infiltrators. Then he joined the Marines, got a post working with sensitive information while he was openly studying Russian and telling anyone who would listen about his Communist sympathies. Yet, there was no investigation? No revoking of his security clearance?

Then, he defects to the Soviet Union, and in doing so, got a passport to go there when it was all but impossible to get such a passport. In fact, there was only one diplomat in Europe who was issuing such passports, for a very limited window, and Oswald somehow knew to go directly to him at just the right time.

Then, when he wants to come back to the US, despite there being good reason to suspect that he helped the USSR shoot down Powers’ U2, he is allowed back, with only a short debriefing, and no detention. Even though we kept tabs on returned defectors, there seems to have been no follow up, even after he began agitating for Cuba and got a job at a defense contractor with access to more sensitive info?

His whole life stinks of some intelligence involvement, and the KGB just couldn’t have facilitated all of that for him.


9 posted on 08/18/2013 11:52:27 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: GenXteacher

Conversely, we didn’t just let returned Communist defectors come back and get jobs dealing with satellite photography for the government...

If you look at all the strangeness, it seems more likely he was a double agent. I see no other way to explain it all.


10 posted on 08/18/2013 11:55:09 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Pharmboy
There is one version of hat happened to JFK which makes several tons more sense than any of the others:

http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Money-Power-How-Killed/dp/161608197X

11 posted on 08/18/2013 11:56:55 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: freerepublicchat
"Oswald was a communist. He'd spent time with the Soviets."

Clinton too.

12 posted on 08/18/2013 11:57:27 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Pharmboy

Who are they kidding? There are still papers from the Lincoln assassination that haven’t been declassified.


13 posted on 08/18/2013 12:01:02 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: BenLurkin

Geez...I think that is the same cat who texted me about this article. Hmmm...


14 posted on 08/18/2013 12:01:11 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Boogieman

Good post. We have 2 government reports: The Warren Commision said Oswald did it alone. THSCOA in 1978 said Oswald was involved with others. I’m somewhere in the middle. After 50 years, if there was some cover-up, we should know more about it...we don’t. But...Oswald, at age 24, had too much damn intelligence connections, American & Soviet, all around him to just brush it off.


15 posted on 08/18/2013 12:02:00 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Pharmboy

I remember all the government files on Martin Luther King were sealed for 50 years which seemed like forever at the time.

I guess that 50 years will pass before too long but I strongly suspect they will find some reason to keep them sealed.


16 posted on 08/18/2013 12:02:07 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Pharmboy

JFK was having an affair with a communist agent. Why would the communists want him killed? The Soviets and the Cubans would never have that kind of access to Kennedy’s replacement. Let’s see.....hmmmmm.......who would gain by having Kennedy dead? Who would take his place? Would it have hurt the Democrat party back in the early 1960s if Americans found out our Camelot Democrat President was screwing a communist spy? Hmmmm....I wonder.....who would have benefited from Kennedy’s death?


17 posted on 08/18/2013 12:02:23 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: GenXteacher
I clearly remember--during the period just after the assassination--the mainstream media had put out a LOT of info that Oswald was really a right winger masquerading as a lefty.
18 posted on 08/18/2013 12:03:21 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Boogieman

“the KGB just couldn’t have facilitated all of that for him.”

That is debatable. The KGB focused much more on humint than the CIA. They would be more skilled at moving people around. And considering the CIA might have been infiltrated by the KGB, Oswald’s movements might have been ignored on purpose.


19 posted on 08/18/2013 12:06:45 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: blueunicorn6

By George I think you’ve got it! Got to be LBJ!


20 posted on 08/18/2013 12:07:16 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: blueunicorn6

By George I think you’ve got it! Got to be LBJ!


21 posted on 08/18/2013 12:07:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Pharmboy

I’ll take your word for it- I wasn’t around :)


22 posted on 08/18/2013 12:08:00 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Pharmboy

I’ll take your word for it- I wasn’t around :)


23 posted on 08/18/2013 12:08:08 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher

I was still in high school, but paid very close attention to the news even back then. After reading and watching everything I could get a hold of at that time (The New York Times, NY Post, Huntley/Brinkley on NBC News, mainly) I distinctly remember feeling confused about Oswald being left or right.


24 posted on 08/18/2013 12:11:18 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

I was in high school too. I still remember a kid named Tim Sutton telling me that Kennedy had been shot. It was an hour or more before we learned he was dead.

You are right. The media somehow persuaded nearly everyone that Southern Right Wing Gun Owners were responsible. I mean they really did do that. It was also the force behind them finally passing the 68 gun control bill which was a very harsh law.


25 posted on 08/18/2013 12:17:59 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Pharmboy
Hah...the Fed had him killed. Kennedy was going around them by ordering the Tres. to start printing "United States Notes" instead of "Federal Reserve Notes". No interest is paid on US notes, so the Fed was losing all their income....

Money is power, and the Fed was about to lose both...

...this is the only thing that makes any sense to me.

....."money talks, and bullshit walks"......

...United States Notes....

....who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of man...??....maybe we will never know...

26 posted on 08/18/2013 12:18:41 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: Pharmboy
The thing about the official version that I never bought was that Oswald wasn't in Leavenworth on espionage charges. When I served in the USN thirty years ago I was involved in a general sort of way with signals intelligence, like Oswald. He had a TS CRYPTO security clearance. Presumably, Oswald knew all sorts of stuff, including about U2 flights.

The Warren Commission would have us believe that a guy who was privy to those sorts of high-value national secrets in the middle of the darkest times of the Cold War could defect to the Soviet Union, sing like a canary, and then get sent home to the States and not be charged, convicted and sentenced to 25 years in Leavenworth.

Had I done a similar thing in the 1970s, they surely would have put me away for a long, long time. Look at the Falcon and the Snowman case, which happened while I was in. Those two guys were much lower level than Oswald, yet they were imprisoned.

So what gives? The most likely scenario is that Oswald was recruited by the CIA while he was in the Corps; he was sent to the Soviet Union in order to deliver to the Soviets misinformation; the Soviets didn't buy it so they sent him home; and the CIA then prevented charges being brought against him even as they continued trying to get the Soviets to take the bait.

The long and short of it for me: based on my personal experience, the fact that Oswald wasn't serving time in prison and was out and about and capable of continuing his activities is proof positive, at least, that the official story ain't the whole story.

Oswald was almost certainly a CIA agent.

27 posted on 08/18/2013 12:26:36 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Ditter

I have suspected LBJ for years, but, when I mention anything about that I get branded a “Conspiracy nut.”


28 posted on 08/18/2013 12:27:31 PM PDT by k4gypsyrose
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To: LongWayHome

Personally, I think Oswald most likely perpetrated the actual assassination alone. I’m just not sure he was a “free agent”, like the official story says.

The theories about the mafia, Texas oil barons, etc, I pretty much dismiss. If anyone else was involved, it had to be with some government or another. The real question is which one?


29 posted on 08/18/2013 12:30:10 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Indeed. As several others have posted above, your take on this makes the most sense.


30 posted on 08/18/2013 12:32:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: GenXteacher

I don’t know, that’s a bit of a stretch to think the KGB would arrange so many “coincidences”, over so many years, just for one relatively unimportant operative. They would have needed to put resources in the military, the State department, and the CIA at risk of exposure just to help Oswald. Why would they do that when Oswald didn’t really have anything to offer in return?


31 posted on 08/18/2013 12:33:19 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Gluteus Maximus

“The most likely scenario is that Oswald was recruited by the CIA while he was in the Corps...”

I think it was earlier than that. When he was about 15, Oswald was a member of Civil Air Patrol in Louisiana. CAP was used at that time as one of many recruiting tools for the intelligence agencies. At that time, David Ferrie, who seems to have been an intelligence asset of some sort, was running his own “rogue” CAP squadron in LA. Despite previous denials, we now have proof that David Ferrie did meet Oswald through their mutual CAP connections at this time, and Oswald could very well have been recruited at that point.

If so, that would explain why it was at that age that Oswald began espousing Communist sympathies and trying to join (infiltrate?) domestic Communist groups. Its been said there were more infiltrators than real members of such groups during that period, so I’d say it was more likely he was an infiltrator than a genuine Communist. Not many people just decide to become Communists on their own, with out any influence or even contact from other Communists. Yet we should believe that Oswald just “converted”, as a teenager in the South, during the 50s, all by himself?


32 posted on 08/18/2013 12:43:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: k4gypsyrose
Yes I know what you mean, I have been labeled a “nut” myself. A number of years ago I read the biography of LBJ by Robert A. Caro. Somewhere during that loooong read a light came on in my head. LBJ wanted to be president so bad.... he HAD to become president and this was the only way that would happen.
33 posted on 08/18/2013 12:46:06 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: blueunicorn6; Boogieman
A couple of years before that idiot Jack Anderson died, he was on Art Bell hawking some Kennedy assassination book.

IIRC, he contended that it was a mafia/Cuba conspiracy. There was no love lost between the Kennedys (RFK was after the Itailian mafia) and those two.

Anderson's claim is the Castro "promised" the mafia to let their casinios back in, if JFK was taken out.

I was too young to observe the events at the time.

34 posted on 08/18/2013 12:49:44 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Boogieman
Then, when he wants to come back to the US, despite there being good reason to suspect that he helped the USSR shoot down Powers’ U2, he is allowed back, with only a short debriefing, and no detention. Even though we kept tabs on returned defectors, there seems to have been no follow up, even after he began agitating for Cuba and got a job at a defense contractor with access to more sensitive info?

Not to mention, he is allowed to bring back HIS RUSSIAN WIFE and there is nobody waiting for him when he flies back to the U.S. Oswald's brother says he was extremely disappointed that there were no reporters or any media waiting for his "story so he could get the attention he desperately craved.

I think he was definitely a spook at some level. The fact he could come back with his wife after renouncing his U.S. citizenship and not get thrown in jail as a traitor is incredibly suspicious.

35 posted on 08/18/2013 12:59:11 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: Pharmboy

Given all of the kook conspiracy theories out there including one involving LBJ I have settled on Oswald being the lone assassin. There is no way a conspiracy like this could be covered up for 50 years. After all this time the investors essentially have proven no one but Oswald was involved.

When the final evidence is released I doubt we will learn anything significant.


36 posted on 08/18/2013 1:00:47 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Boogieman

It looks like Oswald indeed fired the shots, and I’m fine with that. I think where we get into the gray zone is how & why Oswald was so connected to American intelligence, and for what reasons ? What was a CIA agent doing standing right behind Oswald in line when he was getting his bus ticket to Mexico City ?


37 posted on 08/18/2013 1:01:36 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Calvin Locke

I just don’t think those theories hold any water. The Cubans didn’t do anything without the Soviets signing off, and they wouldn’t have the power to cover up anything over here if they did do it. As for the Mafia, they assassinated Dutch Schultz for breaking the rules and going after a DA. No way they would approve of killing the President and bringing that kind of heat on themselves.


38 posted on 08/18/2013 1:05:15 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: LongWayHome

The whole Mexico City episode is full of red flags. When he defected to Russia, Oswald wasn’t shooting in the dark. He knew exactly who to go to get a passport, and everything went like clockwork.

In Mexico City, he does pretty much the opposite. Nobody knows he is coming, he has no bona fides, and he gets nowhere. Oswald would have known, from previous experience, what he needed to do to get the passport, but he did not do it.

So I don’t think he went there to get a passport at all. I think he went there to get documented by the operatives monitoring the embassies, to establish the story that he was in contact with the Soviets. That mission he did accomplish.

Heck, we don’t even know with any certainty if Oswald visited the embassies in Mexico City, like we have been told. The only photo evidence we have is obviously not him, and we have the FBI director on record telling the President it was not Oswald on the recording surveillance tapes too. Lots of funny business with the CIA operation monitoring those embassies and what information they provided to the FBI about Oswald too.


39 posted on 08/18/2013 1:20:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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3 weeks before my 15th birthday...

a lifetime ago...

so just why are these files sealed ???

anyone there that day and involved are all dead or almost..


40 posted on 08/18/2013 1:35:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Boogieman

That’s a great point. I’d forgotten about Oswald’s involvement in the Civil Air Patrol. It really seems inescapable to me. Oswald was a CIA agent. Almost 100%. I should add that this doesn’t mean that I know what happened. I have little doubt that Oswald was the shooter, but who the heavies were I really don’t know. I have my suspicions, but it’s just speculation. We really need full disclosure. It’s ridiculous that files have no yet been released after 50 years.


41 posted on 08/18/2013 1:43:52 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Pharmboy

SQUIRREL!


42 posted on 08/18/2013 1:48:17 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: GenXteacher

> “Oswald was a communist. He’d spent time with the Soviets.”

And wasn’t he seen working in a casino or some similar type enterprise owned by mobster kingpin, Carlos Marcello, prior to the JFK assassination?


43 posted on 08/18/2013 1:51:40 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Boogieman

The Mexico City visit was troubling. There were tapes that had Oswald’s voice on it, but they were erased. Somehow our cameras were not working on the weekend Oswald visited the Soviet & Cuban embassies. The CIA agent that I mentioned, Willian Gaudet, who was next in line before Oswald getting a visa to visit Mexico City also stated that he was aware of Oswald in New Orleans in the summer of 63....why & how was he aware of who Oswald was & what he was doing that summer ?


44 posted on 08/18/2013 1:58:52 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Boogieman

The CIA is a wholly owned subsidiary of Oligarchy International and as such, operates according to principles and strategies that we chronically can only guess at; which is a shame, because the info is out there in hundreds of books detailing CIA involvement in some really strange, illegal and self-serving black ops; everything from “Men Who Stare at Goats” to heroin airlifts to gun running to money laundering to contract assassinations to hypno programming to false flag/provocateur actions to running the Baader Meinhoff and Red Brigades gangs to the Viet Nam Phoenix Operation, which, on a proiportional per capita basis, probably death camped more victims than Hitler’s SS. Conservatives tend to knee jerk defend the CIA out of our endemic marxophobia, but we are slowly learning to understand the world of Edward Snowden, wrong address drug busts, corruption as a way of political life and the ability of tyranny to appear palatable if not downright powerful, righteous and sexy. We need to get smarter faster, that’s all there is to it.


45 posted on 08/18/2013 1:59:26 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Ditter

Years ago there was a book “A man called Lyndon” which went into great detail about Lyndon Johnson and his obsession with being president and his rise to power on the backs of others. It was a devastating book about him and disappeared off the bookshelves in a hurry and it’s impossible now to find a copy of it. Such a shame!


46 posted on 08/18/2013 2:17:16 PM PDT by Newfy
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To: B.O. Plenty

I have always believed that JFK’s assassination was more than some local affair. JFK had just told the world banking establishment to go pound sand as to their monetary business, mainly the Rothchilds who funded the Russian revolution, and their so called Fed Reserve which was not and is not in any significant way a USA federal bank. JFK actually had the USA treasury print millions of USA dollars. This sealed his term and life and the conspirators had to make all kinds of smoke to cover the real/actual reason and persons behind JFK’s assassination. Oswald was a very willing and ignorant dupe.


47 posted on 08/18/2013 2:17:33 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: freerepublicchat

Like an old Soviet anecdote:
Stalin’s aide told Stalin that one of his ministers died in the car crash. One of the ministers who was seating next to Stalin had a hearing problem and asked who died in the car crash? Stalin looked at the minister and replied that, unfortunately, the victim failed to commit suicide so he died in the car crash..


48 posted on 08/18/2013 2:22:01 PM PDT by QQQQ
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To: LongWayHome

Did the tapes have Oswald’s voice? The director of the FBI said it wasn’t his voice, other people say it was.

Were the cameras not working? The CIA chief of station said in his memoirs that they were working and should have captured Oswald every time he entered or exited the building. Other people say they weren’t working.

Who should we believe?

Besides the guy you mentioned, check out the guy who sat next to Oswald on the bus to Mexico. His name was John Howard Bowen. Or Albert Osbourne. See, he had two names that he used, and multiple passports. Claimed to be a Baptist missionary, but there is no evidence of him doing any missionary work, except for letters that he himself seems to have sent in to his local newspaper establishing the story. Traveled quite a bit between the US and Mexico, though he had no apparent business in Mexico that anyone could discover.


49 posted on 08/18/2013 2:36:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

“Conservatives tend to knee jerk defend the CIA out of our endemic marxophobia...”

Which isn’t very sensible, since the CIA has historically been a pretty left-leaning organization. Not as far left as the State department, but not very conservative-friendly either.


50 posted on 08/18/2013 2:40:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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