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Under fire, U.S. spy agency defends surveillance programs as lawful
Yahoo ^ | 8/16/13 | Tabassum Zakaria, Mark Hosenball

Posted on 08/18/2013 3:44:34 PM PDT by Libloather

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Under increasing pressure to justify electronic surveillance programs that at times capture communications of American citizens, the U.S. National Security Agency went to unusual lengths on Friday to insist its activities are lawful and any mistakes largely unintentional.

**SNIP**

The NSA's presentation was an attempt to calm the latest firestorm over documents disclosed by Snowden. The Washington Post late Thursday reported that the NSA had broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since 2008, citing an internal agency audit and other top secret documents.

"These are not willful violations, they are not malicious, these are not people trying to break the law," John DeLong, NSA director of compliance, told reporters.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agency; benghazi; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; lawful; nsa; spy
If everything is kept secret, how would we know?
1 posted on 08/18/2013 3:44:34 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Then why would they say that they weren’t doing it, before the cat got out of the bag?
For the same reason Clinton lied, not knowing of the blue dress.
I’m not sure what’s worse: the lawbreaking or the contempt they have for their employers.


2 posted on 08/18/2013 3:49:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Libloather

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3056113/posts

Meanwhile, IRS continues political targeting.
You KNOW the NSA is also doing political targeting.


3 posted on 08/18/2013 3:49:28 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Libloather

I’ve got a radical idea. How ‘bout the spy guys spying on America’s enemies instead of Americans. I know it’s sound crazy and weird but that’s how I am.


4 posted on 08/18/2013 3:49:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Former Rodeo Clown Sensitivity Training class valedictorian.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

According to Jarret, Zero, et al, WE are enemies of “America” because we oppose their agenda.


5 posted on 08/18/2013 3:52:50 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Libloather
"Lawful" is always their first line of defense, which doesn't mean it's necessarily right, especially when agency hacks are deliberately thwarting oversight by either stonewalling or lying to Congress.

And quite frankly, the GOP-E leadership is mostly to blame for this state of affairs because...

Flashback to 2011:

House Republicans renew press for Patriot Act reauthorization

GOP struggles for PATRIOT Act votes

Bachmann Votes to Renew the Patriot Act

They could have killed the whole thing, but instead, Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy twisted arms to get it renewed for six more years.

6 posted on 08/18/2013 3:55:20 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Libloather

Is it just me? Or is the propaganda machine that is the US gov failing miserably. Even the leftists I know don’t believe most of the crap on the news, especially from our gov.


7 posted on 08/18/2013 3:56:42 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: Timber Rattler
"They could have killed the whole thing, but instead, Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy twisted arms to get it renewed for six more years."

I think the more relavent question is who was twisting Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy's arms to get it renewed.

And what were they using as torque...

8 posted on 08/18/2013 3:57:43 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I’ve got a radical idea. How ‘bout the spy guys spying on America’s enemies instead of Americans. I know it’s sound crazy and weird but that’s how I am.

I think you don't understand their definitions:

  1. America = the political ruling-caste, the bureaucratic administrative-caste, and the [law] enforcement-caste.
  2. America's enemies = anyone who does not perfectly agree with America or the policies instituted thereby (see esp. citizen and constitutionalist)
When you understand these, you understand that they are perfectly fulfilling the roles you've described.

You see, not having a submissive and deferential attitude is simply a lack of respect on your part — the proper thing to do is:
Stop, Drop, and Cower
[Direct Link]

9 posted on 08/18/2013 4:08:40 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Darksheare
Meanwhile, IRS continues political targeting.
You KNOW the NSA is also doing political targeting.

From what I've seen of these people appearing before the House Oversight Committee, they are seriously dangerous and arrogant.

The contempt for Congress they exhibited was just astounding.

10 posted on 08/18/2013 4:15:50 PM PDT by Bronzewound (Lost Hope & Loose Change)
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To: Libloather

Under 0bama there is no law anymore.


11 posted on 08/18/2013 4:19:59 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: foundedonpurpose
Is it just me? Or is the propaganda machine that is the US gov failing miserably. Even the leftists I know don’t believe most of the crap on the news, especially from our gov.

I think it is; I think that the statists have shown their hand to an extent that it chills the blood of anyone who isn't a statist. In any case, I've made a few brochures on the main parties:

Stop, Drop, and Cower The Tao of Republican Orthodoxy The Modern Democratic Party & You
[Direct Link] [Direct Link] [Direct Link]

12 posted on 08/18/2013 4:20:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Libloather

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

"These are not willful violations, they are not malicious, these are not people trying to break the law," John DeLong, NSA director of compliance, told reporters.

Funny, I don't see anything in the law about 'willful' or 'trying'.

What a shame the corrupt retards are in charge.

13 posted on 08/18/2013 4:20:53 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Darksheare
"According to Jarret, Zero, et al, WE are enemies of “America” because we oppose their agenda. "

Parallel construction to Bammy's Muzzie Bros. in Egypt.

14 posted on 08/18/2013 4:21:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Bronzewound

I’m waiting for someone in Congress to play the quote from Star Wars “we have dissolved the senate, the last vestiges of the republic are gone” while the arrogant twerps smirk.
You like the attitudes too?
It’s surreal and unbelievable to watch.


15 posted on 08/18/2013 4:23:04 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Libloather

They throw open the borders, then use the ensuing emergency as premise to destroy genuine democracy.

The VAST majority of NSA folks are current or ex-military, and they took oaths to protect the Constitution, and no one politician.

Do oaths MATTER..? Apparently they swear to things they don’t understand or are openly hostile to:

Would YOU swear to uphold the fable of the Great Skyborne Spaghetti Monster? Ridiculous to contemplate, but apparently that is what The Oath is becoming.

I asked someone connected with all this what she thought of Snowden:

“3,000 people died on 9-11 and the program makes SENSE..!”

There wasn’t mere emphasis in her voice, as she screamed —there was real FEAR of actually considering my question.

These people generally aren’t even CONSIDERING their orders —they’d slam shut the railroad car door on Anne Frank NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

It was her, “We didn’t know..! We were good Germans..!” moment.

Remember when people would say, “Hey, it’s a free country..!”

Ever notice how THEY DON’T SAY THAT ANYMORE...?!


16 posted on 08/18/2013 4:23:41 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: tumblindice
Then why would they say that they weren’t doing it, before the cat got out of the bag? For the same reason Clinton lied, not knowing of the blue dress. I’m not sure what’s worse: the lawbreaking or the contempt they have for their employers.

How about the contempt they have for the Constitution?

17 posted on 08/18/2013 4:23:45 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Black Agnes
I think the more relavent question is who was twisting Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy's arms to get it renewed.

And what were they using as torque...

Excellent questions. Even scarier, what if GOP elite are just logrolling for now, to "get theirs," so that they are protected when the whole U.S. financial system collapses.

Not even sure if I need a tin foil hat to make a post like that anymore. : /

.

18 posted on 08/18/2013 4:24:17 PM PDT by Bronzewound (Lost Hope & Loose Change)
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To: Paladin2

Yuppers.
“Can’t wait to see them reveal their next BS.”


19 posted on 08/18/2013 4:25:34 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: gaijin

Vader’s Imperial March:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8


20 posted on 08/18/2013 4:28:18 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Libloather

Most bureaucrats like this are no different than most democrats, militant blacks, miilitant she-males, militant homosexuals or militant muslims and immigrants who are US citizens.

All (or most) of whom put allegiance to their special interest groups or special victim groups far ahead of any loyalty or allegiance to their country.

When there is a choice to be made between honesty, protecting the interests of the country, and honoring the US Constitution, or protecting their special interest group or special victim group they don’t hesitate to put the country last.


21 posted on 08/18/2013 4:29:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: gaijin

I sure as heck would not join the military today to be “controlled”/”ruled” by the lying thieves running the gov’t today.


22 posted on 08/18/2013 4:32:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Libloather

“These are not willful violations,they are not malicious,these are not people trying to break the law,”
Bull crap!


23 posted on 08/18/2013 4:37:57 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Libloather

Whoever is in charge should face charges for every violation of the 4th Amendment.


24 posted on 08/18/2013 5:01:15 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: Libloather

“Legal” isn’t saying much. Shipping citizens of Japanese descent off to concentration camps was considered “legal” during WWII. That doesn’t mean it was moral or Constitutional.


25 posted on 08/18/2013 6:00:18 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Bronzewound

Tinfoil? I thought it was accepted fact.

Its a nice, cozy, kleptocratic club. And we’re not in it.


26 posted on 08/18/2013 6:12:07 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Libloather

” the U.S. National Security Agency went to unusual lengths on Friday to insist its activities are lawful “

Everything Hitler and the Nazis did was strictly following German law at that time.


27 posted on 08/18/2013 7:41:57 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Libloather

” the U.S. National Security Agency went to unusual lengths on Friday to insist its activities are lawful “

Everything Hitler and the Nazis did was strictly following German law at that time.


28 posted on 08/18/2013 7:42:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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