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Egypt Security Kills 36 Held in Its Custody
New York Times ^ | August 18, 2013 | ROD NORDLAND

Posted on 08/18/2013 7:09:13 PM PDT by lbryce

The Egyptian government acknowledged that its security forces had killed 36 Islamists in its custody Sunday, as the military leaders and the country’s Islamists vowed to keep up their fight over Egypt’s future.

The news of the deaths came on a day in which there appeared to be a pause in the street battles that have claimed more than 1,000 lives in recent days, most of them Islamists and their supporters gunned down by security forces. The Islamists took measures on Sunday to avoid confrontations, including canceling several protests of the military’s ouster of a democratically elected Islamist-led government.

While confirming the killings of the detainees on Sunday, the Ministry of the Interior said the deaths were the consequence of an escape attempt by Islamist prisoners. But officials of the main Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, described the deaths as “assassinations,” and claimed that the victims, which it said numbered 52, had been shot and tear-gassed through the windows of a locked prison van.

The government offered conflicting details throughout the day, once saying the detainees had suffocated to death in the van from tear gas to suppress an escape attempt, but later insisting that the Islamists died in a prison where they were taken.

In either case, the deaths were the fourth mass killing of civilians since the military took control on July 3, but the first time those killed were in government custody at the time.

The Islamists, followers of the once-banned Muslim Brotherhood, have vowed to continue their protests, both against the military’s ouster of President Mohamed Morsi and the violence of recent days that started with the bloody crackdown on Brotherhood sit-ins that left hundreds dead.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agoodstart; egypt; egypt4freedom; egyptvsalqaeda; egyptvsslavery; egyptvsterrorism; muslimbrotherhood; nytimes4alqaeda; terrorism
The enmity that the Egyptian military appears to have in their struggle to eliminate the Muslim Bother hood seems to know no bounds.

But officials of the main Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, described the deaths as “assassinations,” and claimed that the victims, which it said numbered 52, had been shot and tear-gassed through the windows of a locked prison van.

Gassing people to death in a locked enclosure was said to be conspiratorial propaganda and incontrovertible hoax.

1 posted on 08/18/2013 7:09:13 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
Not to worry. The problems in Egypt didn't interrupt BO's Martha's Vineyard vacation & we can rejoice because healthcare is our right.


Barf!!
2 posted on 08/18/2013 7:18:24 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: lbryce

A good start.


3 posted on 08/18/2013 7:18:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lbryce

Any word from the NY Slimes about the Coptic Christian demise?


4 posted on 08/18/2013 7:19:54 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: lbryce
The government has been pursuing a relentless campaign to paint the Islamists as pursuing violence, and has increasingly lashed out at journalists who do not echo that line, especially the foreign media.

Poor, poor journalists. Just trying to do their job--not.

5 posted on 08/18/2013 7:20:10 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dfwgator

only 35 you say....pity


6 posted on 08/18/2013 7:22:36 PM PDT by B212
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To: lbryce

Somebody get these assholes some beer blondes and wings already


7 posted on 08/18/2013 7:24:45 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: lbryce

The following article is a bit long but if you are interested in the current state of Egypt, especially for Christians, you will find this interesting and enlightening. It is written by Peter Justin, son of Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby who was studying Arabic there for the past 20 months. Scroll down to the third article entitled as follows:

“The representation of Egypt in the Western media is completely wrong” http://www.archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/


8 posted on 08/18/2013 7:25:26 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: lbryce

Remember:
This is from the NEW YORK TIMES, fabricated from behind
the Enemy lines of al Qaeda, where reporters of the
NEW YORK TIMES huddle with the rest of the MSM.


9 posted on 08/18/2013 7:26:55 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: lbryce

10 posted on 08/18/2013 7:29:48 PM PDT by South40
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To: Cicero

“The government has been pursuing a relentless campaign to paint the Islamists as pursuing violence,”

LoL. Ya don’t say?


11 posted on 08/18/2013 7:37:14 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Excellent point. Your dripping sarcasm wasn’t lost on me.


12 posted on 08/18/2013 7:48:41 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1157 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: lbryce
The Islamists took measures on Sunday to avoid confrontations, including canceling several protests of the military’s ouster of a democratically elected Islamist-led government.

IOW, the MB are finding fewer and fewer people willing to die for nothing.

13 posted on 08/18/2013 8:03:59 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: lbryce
They don't want their country to turn into an Iran, and who can blame them?
14 posted on 08/18/2013 8:06:22 PM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Wake me when they’ve killed the last one in custody, it’ll be time to read about the next wave of arrests. Thanks lbryce.


15 posted on 08/18/2013 8:11:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: elpadre

GREAT article and some good comments at the link you provided. Thanks!


16 posted on 08/18/2013 8:22:17 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: South40

HAJJies killing HAJJies, where’s the crime?


17 posted on 08/18/2013 8:47:04 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I didn’t notice that, but darned you are right.


18 posted on 08/18/2013 10:02:19 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: lbryce

The escape attempt was confirmed by a different news service, so it’s all ok. It was an attack on a prisoner transfer. The government killed the attackers, and a lot of prisoners got killed, too.

Even if it wasn’t, it’s still all ok.

I was a little disappointed that the Ikwan canceled their protest today. I guess they’ve decided that bombing markets and police stations, as in Iraq, is the way to go.


19 posted on 08/18/2013 10:13:51 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: elpadre

I just copied your comment and the link to Peter Justin’s article on the Live Egypt thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3039526/posts?page=4382


20 posted on 08/18/2013 10:14:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: elpadre

“But in almost every protest that I witnessed, there was a curious group that didn’t seem to fit into the police or the protestors. Armed thugs attacking either side, and providing both with an excuse to say the other attacked first.”


21 posted on 08/18/2013 10:19:37 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (Mr. President, can you hear a special prosecutor now?)
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To: lbryce
Gassing people to death in a locked enclosure was said to be conspiratorial propaganda and incontrovertible hoax.

250 years ago, it was "the black hole of calcutta" that the press created.

This year, it's "the gas hole of Cairo".

22 posted on 08/18/2013 11:34:25 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: lbryce

What is funny is that the Left thinks we care!


23 posted on 08/19/2013 3:17:48 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: lbryce
Gassing people to death in a locked enclosure was said to be conspiratorial propaganda and incontrovertible hoax.

I wonder what Janet Reno would say about that.

24 posted on 08/19/2013 3:31:39 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: elpadre

“The representation of Egypt in the Western media is completely wrong”
http://www.archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/

“Well, it was the right result as it turned out: the one that wasn’t followed by violence or accusations of fraud (though I wouldn’t struggle to believe them). So there were some wild promises. Apparently, President Morsi would fix the security problems, provide affordable food, reduce the dreadful traffic, and clean the streets of rubbish, all within the first 100 days!”

It’s nice to see we are not the only ones who are stupid when is comes to politicians. :-)

BTW Thanks for this.


25 posted on 08/19/2013 6:24:36 AM PDT by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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To: nuconvert

Walter Russell Mead Alert!!

Bambi Meets Godzilla In The Middle East
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/08/18/bambi-meets-godzilla-in-the-middle-east/

President Obama has had a rude awakening in the Middle East. The region he thought existed was an illusion built on American progressive assumptions about the way the world works. In the dream Middle East, democracy at least of a sort was just around the corner. Moderate Islamists would engage with the democratic process, and the experience would lead them to ever more moderate behavior. If America got itself on the right side of history, and supported this hopeful development, both Americas values and its interests would be served. Our relationships with the peoples of the Middle East would improve as they saw Washington supporting the emergence of democracy in the region, and Al Qaeda and the other violent groups would lose influence as moderate Islamist parties guided their countries to prosperity and democracy.

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Unfortunately, much of our political and policy class, both on the left and the right, shares an unfounded confidence that liberal capitalism is going to triumph tomorrow. They are the secular, liberal counterparts of Christian fundamentalists waiting for the Rapture, a near-magical translation to a better world. This is what most American policy makers believed about Russia in the heady years after the Soviet collapse. President George W. Bush bet the ranch on the imminent democratization of the Middle East. So did President Obama.

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What Americans often miss is that while democratic liberal capitalism may be where humanity is heading, not everybody is going to get there tomorrow. This is not simply because some leaders selfishly seek their own power or because evil ideologies take root in unhappy lands. It is also because while liberal capitalist democracy may well be the best way to order human societies from an abstract point of view, not every human society is ready and able to walk that road now. Some arent ready because like Haiti they face such crippling problems that having a government, any government, that effectively enforces the law and provides basic services across the country is beyond their grasp. Some arent ready because religious or ethnic tensions would rip a particular country apart and cause civil war. Some arent ready because the gap between the values, social structures and culture of a particular society make various aspects of liberal capitalism either distasteful or impractical. In many places, the fact that liberal democratic capitalism is historically associated with western imperialism and arrogance has poisoned the well. People simply do not believe that this foreign system will work for them, and they blame many of the problems they face on the countries in Europe and North America who so loudly proclaim the superiority of a system that many people in the global South feel has victimized them.

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26 posted on 08/19/2013 6:28:10 AM PDT by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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To: elpadre

Here is the permalink to that article.

“The representation of Egypt in the Western media is completely wrong”
http://www.archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-representation-of-egypt-in-western.html


27 posted on 08/19/2013 6:33:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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