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Common Core Teachers Taught to Praise Wrong Answers Like 3 x 4 was 11
Townhall.com ^ | August 19, 2013 | Michael Schaus

Posted on 08/19/2013 4:45:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

Apparently, under the new Common-Core standards, correct answers don’t really matter. At least that’s according to a “curriculum coordinator” in Chicago named Amanda August. “Even if [a student] said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” said the common core supporter and typical liberal, Amanda. Off course this reasoning explains quite a bit regarding our nation’s 16 trillion dollar debt, and Nancy Pelosi’s assertion that Obamacare was a “deficit reducer.” When you consider that our finest economic leaders in the Federal Reserve, and the White House, think spending more money will result in fewer deficits, teaching that 3 x 4 = 11 (if you explain it well) isn’t really much of a stretch.

Common Core: Wrong Answer Are fine - Longer

The left has long sought to bolster self-esteem by downplaying wrong answers in education. Everyone gets a ribbon; a truly disastrous lesson to teach when not everyone is capable of getting a job. And while the how is important in any lesson plan, in the end, the answer should still be correct. Amanda’s students are going to be in for a world of surprise when their first employer decides that doing the job correctly is more important than demonstrating “with words” an employee’s fundamental failure to grasp the concept of their task.

To the credit of the presumably leftists audience, someone asked if teachers will still be correcting students on math tests. The simple fact that someone had to ask the question should demonstrate the atrocious nature of American education reform. The question “are we still going to correct wrong answers” would seem incomprehensible in a system of honest instruction. Amanda, however, stumbles through a very entertaining non-answer:

“We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through to get this answer; and not just knowing that it’s 12, but why is it 12? How do I know that?”

Well. . . Amanda, if they answered “11”, my guess is they won’t be able to answer “how do I know that” to a satisfactory degree. Well, 3 + 4 = 7, and both 3 and 7 are prime numbers. This leaves only 4 left, so we add it to our answer of 7 which is, of course, 11. Another prime number. . . How’d I do? Do I pass? What kind of world do we live in when math becomes a philosophical essay, and not a system of numbers, arithmetic, and simple truths? Well, it’s the same type of world that gives ribbons out to “honorary mentions” and lets every child star in the Christmas “winter” musical.

And this is at the center of Common-Core. At its heart is not an intent to better our failing school system (after all, you don’t do that by praising kids who get basic multiplication wrong) but to instil an altruistic sense of self-worth and liberal flexibility. To the American left, school should be an instrument to instruct children that they can be anything they want, and that the most important thing is life is that you get an “A” for effort.

Of course, I wanted to be an astronaut. . . And it doesn’t matter how hard you try, if you can’t answer the multiplication problem “3 x 4”, you’re not very likely to move into the highly competitive world of extraterrestrial exploration (although you could run for congress as a Democrat).

Amanda’s purported concentration on making sure children understand what they are taught certainly has its place in the classroom. . . Right behind getting the right answer. But don’t worry: People like Amanda will soon be writing up your child’s lesson plans.


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No wonder the US slips in educational ratings around the world with this liberal logic.
1 posted on 08/19/2013 4:45:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Lest we forget also: Remember in the Novel “1984 “ By Orwell that the “party” brainwashed the main character that
“2 X 2 = 5”?


2 posted on 08/19/2013 4:49:14 AM PDT by Mr. C (Take Back America!)
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To: Kaslin

Idiots make better slaves.... Let me rephrase that, idiots and drug addicts make the best slaves.


3 posted on 08/19/2013 4:50:40 AM PDT by sport
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To: Kaslin

this is simply an effort to create more liberal brains


4 posted on 08/19/2013 4:50:59 AM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: Kaslin

The means justify the ends.


5 posted on 08/19/2013 4:53:52 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Kaslin

My guess this is to keep the teachers from having to know the correct answers. What a screwed up world...everything is correct even when it is not. Liberalism is so logical.


6 posted on 08/19/2013 4:59:54 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (When will those PAYING for Obamacare be exempted?)
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To: Kaslin

Makes sense if you look at how the government fudges numbers all the time.


7 posted on 08/19/2013 5:04:57 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: Kaslin

First of all, why does this approach to teaching arithmetic and mathematics make sense to any experienced educator? Secondly, what have they got against arithmetic and mathematics?


8 posted on 08/19/2013 5:05:12 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Kaslin

So now we know how Geithner & Bernanke were educated...


9 posted on 08/19/2013 5:07:14 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Kaslin

Can’t stop building false self esteem just because the little rascals haven’t really learned anything.

To liberals feelings and wishes trump fact, accomplishment and results.

That’s how we end up with an idiot in the White House and mumblng moochers as civil rights “leaders”.


10 posted on 08/19/2013 5:07:28 AM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Kaslin
What kind of world do we live in when math becomes a philosophical essay, and not a system of numbers, arithmetic, and simple truths?
"Truth" is an artificial construct of the patriarchy, invented as a tool of oppression.
11 posted on 08/19/2013 5:11:23 AM PDT by jdege
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To: equaviator
Secondly, what have they got against arithmetic and mathematics?

That's easy. They don't like arithmetic and mathematics because they require objectively correct answers. In the liberal mind, NOTHING is objectively correct.
12 posted on 08/19/2013 5:15:43 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: Kaslin

“How can I help it?”, he blubbered. “How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”

“Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”


13 posted on 08/19/2013 5:19:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Kaslin

By extension, does this mean that “IF” a surgeon amputates the WRONG leg, he gets credit because he did not, by mistake, amputate an ARM? After all, the patient survived the operation.
If “method” is more important than “accuracy”, tax evaders could proclaim innocence due to accurately putting the numbers in the right box, just using incorrect figures.
What a world.


14 posted on 08/19/2013 5:20:12 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: Kaslin

“Even if [a student] said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,”

I have seen math tests (and took a few, back in the day) where a student could get *partial* credit for an incorrect answer if they showed their work and understood the process correctly.

That’s not quite the same thing as what this teacher is proposing, however. At the end of the day, a wrong answer is a wrong answer, and giving it full credit because a kid can make a case that he basically meant well.

I’d also point out that the scenario I encountered was reserved for more complicated/challenging problems, not for something as simple as basic multiplication.


15 posted on 08/19/2013 5:21:11 AM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: Kaslin
Amanda’s students are going to be in for a world of surprise when their first employer decides that doing the job correctly is more important than demonstrating “with words” an employee’s fundamental failure to grasp the concept of their task.

In fairness, most employers no longer care about this, either.

16 posted on 08/19/2013 5:23:22 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: wolfpat

They’re gonna find that the world hasn’t changed that much...or at least they should.


17 posted on 08/19/2013 5:25:51 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator

“First of all, why does this approach to teaching arithmetic and mathematics make sense to any experienced educator? Secondly, what have they got against arithmetic and mathematics?”...

And third, who does it really benefit?


18 posted on 08/19/2013 5:28:23 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: wolfpat

Great point. As conservatives, we have a well defined view of right and wrong, and recognize absolute truth. Liberals gauge right and wrong according to feelings, not truth.


19 posted on 08/19/2013 5:28:33 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: Kaslin

What gets me about this is that someone thought long and hard about this and then presented the idea to someone in a position to implement the policy who probably also thought long and hard over it and decided it was a good idea. Either that or said policy maker is evil and complicit with the plan to destroy our children’s future. Who are these people and how did they get this power?


20 posted on 08/19/2013 5:28:47 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: wolfpat

Great point. As conservatives, we have a well defined view of right and wrong, and recognize absolute truth. Liberals gauge right and wrong according to feelings, not truth.


21 posted on 08/19/2013 5:30:39 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: Freestate316

Sorry for the double post!


22 posted on 08/19/2013 5:31:42 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: Kaslin

I’m reminded of ma and pa kettle’s skit on 5X14=25 and abbot and costello’s 7X13=28. Except those are actually funny and not sad...


23 posted on 08/19/2013 5:41:01 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Kaslin

I spoke to an ambassador yesterday that told me that he witnessed the President of an African nation telling his administration to purposely give Islamic students higher grades than their Christian counterparts even though the reverse is true. It had to do with assisting Islamic influence in the reason which he felt was due to monetary influence. He indicated he couldn’t say much more than that but that even with influence like that the people of the nation still much preferred Christianity than Islam. He has traveled extensively all over the world and said that the meda is portraying Islam as taking over many nations and spreading when in reality, it is not (as portrayed). He said that Christianity is much more acceptable ue to the fact that it is a religion of love and not hate as Islam is. Made me feel better anyway.


24 posted on 08/19/2013 5:42:12 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Iron Munro

> To liberals feelings and wishes trump fact, accomplishment and results

Man, I wish I’d said that. Much truth in that statement. Utopia vs Reality.


25 posted on 08/19/2013 5:44:15 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Freestate316

> Liberals gauge right and wrong according to feelings, not truth

Another great zinger in this thread I wish I’d come up with... : )


26 posted on 08/19/2013 5:46:12 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kaslin
Umm, no. I'm in an engineering discipline and an industry where if (when) people make mistakes, other people die. So this liberal feel-good cr*p is idiotic. Getting the wrong answer but feeling good about your reasoning at getting there is totally, completely unacceptable. It is an interesting commentary on the liberal mindset. They know their ideas and positions on issues are wrong. Common sense, history, statistics - hard, factual evidence proves them wrong on virtually everything modern liberalism stands for. Yet they lie to themselves, accept double standards and rampant hypocrisy that would make a sociopath blush - all because their positions on issues make them feel good and appeal to their idealism.

So it is no surprise that they are trying to extend their divorced-from-reality world view into education. Doesn't matter if you got the wrong answer there little Johnny, as long as you feel good about yourself and how you arrived at it. Wrong, actually doing things right does matter.

27 posted on 08/19/2013 5:49:58 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Kaslin

The schools today are combining results and effort.Doesn’t matter if you
get the answer right or not, as long as you try hard.
When I was in elementary school during the 1960s we were graded
on the individual subject and separately on effort.
I could get an A for effort, but still get a C in math (which I frequently did)...


28 posted on 08/19/2013 5:50:16 AM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: Kaslin

They are introducing this to our schools this year.

And all the teachers hate these math fads.

The last one was “whole math”, where the students had to involve all other subjects in math (English, woodworking, science, social studies). Result: without a focus on math itself, the subject became “diluted” and consequently students fell behind and thus scores fell behind. Fotunately, my kids math teachers saw that math was being diluted and encouraged independent study. My kids did the independent study, and the result was that my 5th grader was doing 9th grade math (Intro to Algebra).

Before that it was the Chicago math. In Chicago math, the goal was to teach the student to “understand” how math works. This is fine if all of the student intended to major in mathematics in college. However, most students only need to know how to get the right answer. For example, they were taught several ways to do division. However, most students combined the different methods and got wrong answers. I told my kids to use only long division, and their teachers agreed, exasperated at the school board for forcing this crap on them.


29 posted on 08/19/2013 5:51:06 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Kaslin
If you want to know why the actual facts of Travon Martin's death made no impression on the African-American "community," look no further than the philosophy that motivates this teaching method.


30 posted on 08/19/2013 5:53:26 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Kaslin
Common Core = Communism

Communism is not a economic theory. It is a long term program designed to smash the individual, the family, and the nation. In their place would be humanoid serfs that love their enslavement to a One World Government ruled by God-King Banksters.

31 posted on 08/19/2013 5:55:22 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: kidd

If the teachers hate these math fads then they should ignore the order and teach the correct way


32 posted on 08/19/2013 5:58:11 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: bk1000

You think they thought long and hard about this? If they did, they would have rejected that ridiculous idea in a minute


33 posted on 08/19/2013 6:02:10 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Parents need to be really thinking about what they are doing to their kids. Sending your kids to school these days is as serious as a heart attack.


34 posted on 08/19/2013 6:05:40 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: dontreadthis
this is simply an effort to create more liberal brains

BINGO! I remember that "new math" that was introduced when I was in middle school. Granted I am not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to math, but even I understood that the new math was not right.

Now, fast-forward 25 to 30 years and all these new math disciples are running the country. Thusly, they are creating budgets using new math, so any answer they come up with is the correct answer.

No sarcasm tag used because, unfortunately, I am correct.

35 posted on 08/19/2013 6:16:11 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: sport

What’s the point of a drug addled slave? Can’t get any production out of him.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, though, ‘cause you’re right.


36 posted on 08/19/2013 6:19:56 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: bk1000

It’s not a strategy for teaching, it’s a political strategy for changing perceptions of tyranny.


37 posted on 08/19/2013 6:20:47 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Kaslin

That's real retarded.

38 posted on 08/19/2013 6:21:13 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kaslin
if they were able to explain their reasoning

What a load of crap.

I cannot accept the notion of teachers personally interviewing students about the students’ test answers after a computer automatically graded the students’ multiple-choice answers.

Here is an example of how past educators interfaced with the student regarding his test answers. The teacher had to read the student’s answers in order to grade their performance. We exchanged that personal involvement for expediency

39 posted on 08/19/2013 6:24:08 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Kaslin
if they were able to explain their reasoning

What a load of crap.

I cannot accept the notion of teachers personally interviewing students about the students’ test answers after a computer automatically graded the students’ multiple-choice answers.

Here is an example of how past educators interfaced with the student regarding his test answers. The teacher had to read the student’s answers in order to grade their performance. We exchanged that personal involvement for expediency

40 posted on 08/19/2013 6:24:21 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: equaviator
First of all, why does this approach to teaching arithmetic and mathematics make sense to any experienced educator?

It doesn't make sense to all educators...just the liberal ones. I've been asking about this stupid "Common Core" ever since I heard about it. Not one teacher can tell me what it is and what makes it so good as they promote it.

I always ask them, "Doesn't the name of it tell you something? Doesn't it sound Communistic to you?" They just stare at me. I doubt I'll be teaching it, especially if it praises wrong answers.

41 posted on 08/19/2013 6:25:03 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: chesley

Easy to control. No production; no drugs. obey or no drugs. British used it quite successfully on Chinese during the 1800s.


42 posted on 08/19/2013 6:28:50 AM PDT by sport
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To: Kaslin

They need to learn only two letters...”D” and “X” and to learn to mark the one next to the other when they go to vote. Simple strokes for simple folks.


43 posted on 08/19/2013 6:49:28 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Kaslin

Liberals do have difficulty with math. They believe that the behavior of 2% of the population should be forced upon everyone, that the 1% of babies conceived through rape and incest justifies the slaughter of the other 99%, that 43% of the vote constitutes a mandate, that it is immoral to give tax cuts to the 10% who pay the lion’s share of the taxes, that there are 57 states, that confiscating the hard earned money of 51% to give to those who pay no taxes is ethical, and on and on.


44 posted on 08/19/2013 6:49:46 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: Kaslin

My wife is a math teacher at a CC school.

Lets just say that will not happen in her classroom.

Now on the grade school level, many of the students get two WEEKS of math a year. That is it.


45 posted on 08/19/2013 6:50:13 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mr. C
Lest we forget also: Remember in the Novel “1984 “ By Orwell that the “party” brainwashed the main character that “2 X 2 = 5”?

"2 + 2 = 5" was used in the book.

And 2 + 2 does equal 5, for unusually large values of "2." ;-)

46 posted on 08/19/2013 6:55:03 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Kaslin
The fundamental CC axiom is THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE TRUTH

Of course, the logical inconsistency of this "truth" escapes the advocates.

47 posted on 08/19/2013 6:56:55 AM PDT by lightman (Prosecute the heresies; pity the heretics.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

“Umm, no. I’m in an engineering discipline and an industry where if (when) people make mistakes, other people die.”

School is the place to learn that even if you did everything right and wrote down the wrong answer you are still wrong. Being careful, double checking your answers and making sure is the road to success, not teaching that screw ups are OK if you understood the “process”.


48 posted on 08/19/2013 6:57:46 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Kaslin

How do they teach math in China? Seems to work pretty well over there. I know people who send their kids back to china for summer school since they are dissatisfied with the education their kids get in some very highly rated US schools.


49 posted on 08/19/2013 7:00:42 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Kaslin

How do they teach math in China? Seems to work pretty well over there. I know people who send their kids back to china for summer school since they are dissatisfied with the education their kids get in some very highly rated US schools.


50 posted on 08/19/2013 7:00:50 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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