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Are You for 4th Trimester Abortions?
Townhall ^ | 08/19/2013 | Steve Deace

Posted on 08/19/2013 11:28:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This video from the Media Research Center is tragic on many levels.

The video portrays MRC's clever attempt to get people to sign a petition in favor of "fourth trimester abortions," using all the same phony-baloney propaganda spewed by advocates for the child killing industry.

And several times on camera it works.

Sure, a couple of people question the petition. One gentleman refuses to sign and asks the MRC staffer if he'll attend his Bible study with him instead. Another young lady says that's killing a live human being so she can't sign on.

But other than those rare exceptions, the propaganda pays off with another signature added to the petition more times than not.

Several of the signers on the video don't even know there's no such thing as a fourth trimester, and that pregnancy culminates in the third trimester.

MRC's staffer tells one signer that as far as he's concerned it's not a human being "until it can pay taxes" and gets no argument for such an assertion. Another lady wonders if it will do harm to the child and the MRC staffer responds with "a woman shouldn't be punished with an unwanted pregnancy," which prompts her to promptly go ahead and sign on the dotted line. A 15-year old girl signs the petition. A gentleman does the math in his head and decides the "4th trimester" isn't too late to kill a child. Even a woman who says she "just had a baby three months ago" signs on to an effort to kill already-born children.

As if all that weren't tragic enough, one young lady was a living, breathing example of low-information voter. She said she does a lot of stuff for Planned Parenthood. To which the MRC staffer replied, "We love Planned Parenthood. Tell everyone there I said hi. Tell them Carlos Danger said hi." The woman, not knowing that was disgraced New York City mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner's online nickname while trolling for some fornication, replied back "wow (that's your name) and that's not even made up."

But even in a video intended to point out the fallacy of the entire child killing movement, one of its advocates reveals the roadmap to ending the plague of infanticide once and for all.

"That's past the first trimester," says one young man who refuses to sign the petition. "I'm fine with abortion in the first trimester, because to me that isn't really a person."

Herein lies the rub.

We will not end child killing in America until we establish when life actually begins. Even the justices in the Roe v. Wade hearing itself acknowledged that if it could be determined the unborn child in the womb is a person, the entire argument for abortion would disintegrate.

"If it could be established the unborn fetus was a 'person' within the protection of the 14th Amendment, (the child killing industry) would have an almost impossible case," Justice Potter Stewart said during the hearing.

"I would have a very difficult case," acknowledged pro-child killing attorney Sarah Weddington.

For decades we have attacked the practice of child killing to no avail. We're not only not any closer to ending the scourge of infanticide, but MRC's video shows the next generation isn't even sure of when pregnancy ends let alone when life begins.

If we're going to shut down the slaughtering houses, we have to attack the premise of child killing. This whole debate is really centered around the question when is the child a 'person' entitled to legal protection? Anytime we pursue arguments or policies that don't beg that question we may be successfully regulating abortion, but we're not drawing any closer to actually ending it once and for all.

Sadly, there are some claiming to be pro-life that don't really want to end child killing, or lack a strategy to actually do so, as a recent feature in Time Magazine profiled. It seems to me the only successful strategy is to beg the question of when is a person a person, and pursue policy initiatives that reinforce that premise.

This is why I am a proponent of the so-called "personhood" strategy.

"No person...shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."

5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; personhood

1 posted on 08/19/2013 11:28:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Several of the signers on the video don't even know there's no such thing as a fourth trimester, and that pregnancy culminates in the third trimester.

I'm willing to bet every one of these nimrods is an Obama voter. Some probably more than once.

2 posted on 08/19/2013 11:31:35 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would be for legalizing 4th trimester abortions as the only form or abortion that is legal, PROVIDED that the doctor leave the room and the mother use her own hands to strangle the baby to death.

Put the responsibility for killing the baby back on the one making that “choice”.

Abortion is an Obamaination because it corrupts the doctor’s oath of doing no harm.

Stop the killing of our children by professional the hit-men know as abortion doctors.


3 posted on 08/19/2013 11:32:03 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Might I add that Abortion in it’s current form goes against the “Natural law” in that the person receiving the “freedom” of not having to take care of a child doesn’t have to take responsibility for that outcome ie. It is outsourced to an abortion doctor.


4 posted on 08/19/2013 11:35:00 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Might I add that Abortion in it’s current form goes against the “Natural law” in that the person receiving the “freedom” of not having to take care of a child doesn’t have to take responsibility for that outcome ie. It is outsourced to an abortion doctor.


5 posted on 08/19/2013 11:35:27 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Might I add that Abortion in it’s current form goes against the “Natural law” in that the person receiving the “freedom” of not having to take care of a child doesn’t have to take responsibility for that outcome ie. It is outsourced to an abortion doctor.


6 posted on 08/19/2013 11:35:31 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

only if we start with obama and work our way down


7 posted on 08/19/2013 11:36:55 AM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about 57th trimester abortions?


8 posted on 08/19/2013 11:51:11 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: SeekAndFind

I know several people who are.


9 posted on 08/19/2013 11:52:52 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SeekAndFind
We will not end child killing in America until we establish when life actually begins. Even the justices in the Roe v. Wade hearing itself acknowledged that if it could be determined the unborn child in the womb is a person, the entire argument for abortion would disintegrate.

It is impossible to determine when life "begins", because there is no point where life is absent. A living gamete produced by a living human body combines with another living gamete from another living human body, and there is a small chance that the combined gametes will go on to become an embryo.

There is, however, a clear point where the embryo becomes able to sense and respond to its environment. At three weeks after conception, the nervous system starts to form. This happens at about the same time the heart starts to beat. There is no on-off switch; the brain is not inert until some magic happens at whatever arbitrary point the abortionist tells his clients. When the nervous system exists, it functions at a level equivalent to its current complexity. That 3 week old embryo can feel. And when a girl has an abortion at 6 weeks (typically the earliest abortion), that embryo experiences pain.

There is plenty of science to support the pro-life position. Unfortunately, the abortion industry is far too lucrative for the science to make any difference.

10 posted on 08/19/2013 12:03:14 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Another video at the site is a video of people signing an for infanticide below the age of three petition. The person collecting the signatures explains that it is a post birth abortion, but almost everyone signed it, including at least one with a child on their shoulders.


11 posted on 08/19/2013 12:11:17 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama IS punishment to America for...
1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th level abortions..

Wait until the death squads start.. (IF they havn’t already started)..
How would you know.. the media would not tell you..
Big Brother is alive and well, abusing your sisters.. (and brothers)..


12 posted on 08/19/2013 12:22:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: GraceG
I would be for legalizing 4th trimester abortions as the only form or abortion that is legal, PROVIDED that the doctor leave the room and the mother use her own hands to strangle the baby to death.

You do realize that this would be murder of a 3 month old baby at a follow up appointment if the doctor must leave the room? Simply because the baby would have been born at the culmination of the third trimester.

13 posted on 08/19/2013 12:26:13 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: SeekAndFind; Vigilanteman; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Yaelle; left that other site; seekthetruth; ...
"Fourth trimester"? Never encountered that term in a medical book. It's an oxymoron, in fact.

Seems like the left is again up to their common trick of coining a new language to promote their ideology, just like Newspeak in George Orwell's (then) fiction.

14 posted on 08/19/2013 12:33:01 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

You are correct.

I should have stated that it would only be legal for a short amount of time post birth.

It is an abhorrent solution, but it would cut the number of abortions down signifigantly. Of course the mother would also have the option to give the child up for adoption no questions asked.


15 posted on 08/19/2013 12:34:16 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

You either believe in GOD and follow HIS laws or you follow satan.

LLS


16 posted on 08/19/2013 12:38:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: justiceseeker93

It was actually a prank by the right-wing MRC to show the ignorance of the Left. The article explains.


17 posted on 08/19/2013 1:13:39 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
It was actually a prank by the right-wing MRC to show the ignorance of the Left. The article explains.

My apologies. Have to confess I was duped by the prank, and I responded to the headline without getting into the article and the video.

18 posted on 08/19/2013 1:55:32 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Translation: Infanticide.
19 posted on 08/19/2013 2:14:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: exDemMom

Life begins at the moment those gametes combine. There is a full set of new, never-before-seen human DNA. Not “potential” or “possible” human. Human, period. Left alone, it will never grow into anything but a human.

I’m not saying that fact alone will convince people. But, scientifically, it is a fact. When sperm meets egg, what was not, now is. At that moment. THAT is life.


20 posted on 08/19/2013 2:21:23 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: SeekAndFind
We will not end child killing in America until we establish when life actually begins.

Being alive and being a person is not the same thing. If anyone asks you the stupid question of "when does life begin" refer them to a dictionary.

Being a person you have rights that just being alive does not give you.

21 posted on 08/19/2013 2:26:46 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Being a person you have rights that just being alive does not give you.

That's the whole argument for abortion on demand (and by extension, euthenasia) -- the idea that someone who is alive isn't a "person."

22 posted on 08/19/2013 2:32:27 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Being a person you have rights that just being alive does not give you.

That's the whole argument for abortion on demand (and by extension, euthenasia) -- the idea that someone who is alive isn't a "person."

23 posted on 08/19/2013 2:32:47 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: workerbee
Exactly.

That is why my qualifications for person-hood are "is it alive?" and "is it human?" If the answer to both is yes, then bingo, "person".

They are making things complicated when they are very simple.

24 posted on 08/19/2013 2:50:07 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

That would be euthanizing a newborn, btw.


25 posted on 08/19/2013 3:33:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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“Sadly, there are some claiming to be pro-life that don’t really want to end child killing, or lack a strategy to actually do so”

the author could not get trough his argument without throwing a rock at other pro-lifers. other pro-lifers who are doing different things ... they all have to stop and only follow the approach of the author?

We all need to stand down and “get with the program”?

I don’t remember signing anything where I agreed to take direction from Steve. When I meet other pro-lifers who are doing things differently than I, or disagree with me I do not say, “Sadly, you are one who is claiming to be pro-life, but you don’t really want to end child killing, or you lack a strategy to actually do so.” Steve, you are self-appointed.


26 posted on 08/19/2013 3:55:58 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: workerbee

100% agree.


27 posted on 08/19/2013 4:41:12 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: SeekAndFind

They showed this on fox last week. How stupid liberals be.


28 posted on 08/19/2013 6:35:45 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 08/19/2013 9:17:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: workerbee

I agree with you that when gametes meet, that is a unique combination that will never be and was never made again (including identical twins and clones). Gd did that for a reason and we at this stage need to respect the personhood of this creation.

But the truth is that most of these egg + sperm meetings are not going to ever make a 2nd trimester fetus, let alone a baby, under ideal circumstances. Only around 40-60% of embryos made by traditional intercourse in a healthy, fertile, young couple are chromosomally competent (euploid) to become a baby. And in couples over 30 or less fertile, the %age of euploid embryos only goes down.

This is kind of splitting hairs in this argument, but I always pipe up to inform all my pro-life sisters and brothers the truth. While we must respect each embryo and let it develop to see if it is capable of being a fetus and then a baby and an adult, most will not. Each human is a miracle.


30 posted on 08/19/2013 9:58:23 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: SeekAndFind

If we can get people to object to late-term abortions, we’ve made our point: At some time during pregnancy, the baby is a human being, one of us. Then all we have to do is negotiate the month, as in that old joke about the woman who agrees to sleep with someone for a million dollars.

We are winning, and this writer wants to take negotiations back to square one.


31 posted on 08/19/2013 10:12:48 PM PDT by firebrand
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