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To: af_vet_rr

“The really sad thing (beyond FReepers getting bashed for what would come to pass under Obama) is that in hindsight we should have seen all of this coming. The Bush administration grew government and accumulated power like nobody’s business, only to be one-upped by Obama.”

The sad thing IMO is how little we really care for freedom.
Plenty of conservatives thought increased government power, and more encroachment of personal liberty was fine...as long it was our guy doing it to people we don’t like. The argument that the power would remain in the hands of the government long after our guy was gone fell on deaf ears and in many cases caused the people making that argument to become quite angry

The very things that are causing outrage here now were fine when GWB did them. There wasn’t any outrage then because it was our political opponents who were screaming. The bigger principle didn’t seem to mean diddly squat.
We all helped screw it up conservatives and liberals.
I have a liberal co-worker that hates Obama because he’s doing so many of the things that they protested GWB for...and then I have liberal co-workers who think that as long as it’s their guy doing warrant less taps and civilian surveillance it’s A-OK.


31 posted on 08/20/2013 9:20:22 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob
The sad thing IMO is how little we really care for freedom. Plenty of conservatives thought increased government power, and more encroachment of personal liberty was fine...as long it was our guy doing it to people we don’t like. The argument that the power would remain in the hands of the government long after our guy was gone fell on deaf ears and in many cases caused the people making that argument to become quite angry

You are absolutely right, the power would remain in the hands of the government no matter who won.

Another major problem is that we don't have any "our guys" anymore, and we never really had them under the Bush administration, because the Bush administration was intent on building up a database on all Americans - what we bought, who we called, etc. When Bush administration officials, along with Senate and House Republican leaders step up and defend Obama, there are no "our guys", because what Obama is doing is what the Bush administration tried to do (and apparently succeeded, we just didn't realize it). Look at the links I posted earlier - all of the stuff we are complaining about with the NSA and the Obama administration, the Bush administration wanted to do that, and then some.

We have Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz, and a few others, and that's about it. The Rest of the GOP falls in line with the Democrats on this b.s., as does Fox News and the rest of the MSM.
33 posted on 08/20/2013 10:46:32 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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