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To: snarkybob
The sad thing IMO is how little we really care for freedom. Plenty of conservatives thought increased government power, and more encroachment of personal liberty was fine...as long it was our guy doing it to people we don’t like. The argument that the power would remain in the hands of the government long after our guy was gone fell on deaf ears and in many cases caused the people making that argument to become quite angry

You are absolutely right, the power would remain in the hands of the government no matter who won.

Another major problem is that we don't have any "our guys" anymore, and we never really had them under the Bush administration, because the Bush administration was intent on building up a database on all Americans - what we bought, who we called, etc. When Bush administration officials, along with Senate and House Republican leaders step up and defend Obama, there are no "our guys", because what Obama is doing is what the Bush administration tried to do (and apparently succeeded, we just didn't realize it). Look at the links I posted earlier - all of the stuff we are complaining about with the NSA and the Obama administration, the Bush administration wanted to do that, and then some.

We have Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz, and a few others, and that's about it. The Rest of the GOP falls in line with the Democrats on this b.s., as does Fox News and the rest of the MSM.
33 posted on 08/20/2013 10:46:32 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

“Another major problem is that we don’t have any “our guys” anymore”

I don’t think we’ve had anybody in a very long time.
At the end of the day, all the elite...and that’s political, social, economical are on the same side. The partisan aspect and what letter they have after their name is just a way of keeping everybody not in the “Club” from noticing that we’re being manipulated and herded like sheep.

Like I mentioned already, I have some liberal co-workers, and it’s both funny and sad that an overpowerful government scares all of us except we can’t unite to fight back because as long as it’s a Republican doing it then our side is OK with it and as long as it’s a Democrat doing it, they’re OK with it.

I’m reminded of Simpsons episode from around 96 where the space aliens took over America by morphing into Clinton and Dole...and of course they kept preaching that they were the only choice...otherwise you’d just be wasting your vote lol.


34 posted on 08/20/2013 12:24:04 PM PDT by snarkybob
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