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NJ governor signs ban on gay conversion therapy
OneNewsNow.com ^ | 19 Aug 13 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/19/2013 12:34:34 PM PDT by xzins

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To: xzins

Holy Crap.
The thought a speach police


52 posted on 08/19/2013 1:29:07 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: xzins
Christie said he believes people are born gay ...

...but can't explain why the NBA player who recently proclaimed himself to be homosexual has an identical-twin brother who's not homosexual.

54 posted on 08/19/2013 1:30:35 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: xzins
Christie said he believes ... that homosexuality is not a sin.

Probably also a "devout" believer in "separation of church and state".

55 posted on 08/19/2013 1:31:59 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: xzins

I would love to get into the brains of these politicians and bureaucrats in order to try to understand what makes them think governments have any role in these sorts of things.


56 posted on 08/19/2013 1:32:52 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: xzins

I would love to get into the brains of these politicians and bureaucrats in order to try to understand what makes them think governments have any role in these sorts of things.


57 posted on 08/19/2013 1:33:20 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: xzins

If it is genetic why ban it? Would years of failure just kill it off?


58 posted on 08/19/2013 1:33:58 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: xzins

“Charlie Butts August 19, 2013 (OneNewsNow)”

You can’t make this stuff up!


59 posted on 08/19/2013 1:35:26 PM PDT by melancholy (READ MY LIPS, NO POLITICAL ISLAM, EVER!!)
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To: 2harddrive
Well, Christ was pretty specific about people who, in their hearts lusted after these things being just as guilty as if though they had done it. So, I believe being "homosexual," is invariably going to lead to homosexual sin, either in thought or action and therefore "being homsexual," is sinful as well if it leads to thoise thoughts and desires in a person's heart.

And the only salvation for ANY of that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified and how His atonement can change our hearts and make new creatures of us who are not ruled over by pure lust, passion, and emotion...but give all of that over to the true love of Chirst and His children.

60 posted on 08/19/2013 1:36:54 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jim Robinson

Perhaps Christie can point to the chromosomes that cause homosexuality?


61 posted on 08/19/2013 1:37:16 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: xzins
So Krispy Kreme has declared homosexuality genetic, eh? This would imply that =>

there is a gay gene.

Which in turn would imply that =>

OBGYNs could identify said gene.

Which in turn would imply that =>

Expectant mothers could choose to kill babies exhibiting said gene

Which in turn would imply that =>

I should be stocking up on popcorn...

62 posted on 08/19/2013 1:42:40 PM PDT by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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To: xzins

Christie has put himself on a par with Governor Jerry Brown of California by signing this legislation which takes us down the wrong path towards less freedom.


63 posted on 08/19/2013 1:45:05 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: xzins
So Krispy Kreme has declared homosexuality genetic, eh? This would imply that =>

there is a gay gene.

Which in turn would imply that =>

OBGYNs could identify said gene.

Which in turn would imply that =>

Expectant mothers could choose to kill babies exhibiting said gene

Which in turn would imply that =>

I should be stocking up on popcorn...

64 posted on 08/19/2013 1:46:46 PM PDT by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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65 posted on 08/19/2013 1:46:48 PM PDT by the jogger
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To: elkfersupper

He’s gone somewhere he shouldn’t have gone.

There must be a lot of presidential campaign money in signing this legislation????????


66 posted on 08/19/2013 1:47:33 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: alloysteel
There is no sin in being predisposed to a certain cast of mind

Not so sure about that as you. Jesus said a man is guilty of adultery just for looking on a woman with lust. That's pointed right at the mental operation that precedes the act, the inclination of the heart, and Jesus is putting it in the same class as the act itself. Honestly, I think we are too easy on ourselves. God sent Jesus to save us from our sin, but we cannot even acknowledge the true depths of our sin, that it is not measured simply by outward application of the "do no harm" principle, but by confronting the rancid nature of one's innermost soul being in rebellion against God.

BTW, this is a line that must be crossed. In preaching the Gospel we are obligated to preach the whole truth about God, including his righteousness and rejection of sin, even if that puts us at odds with the corrupt laws of our current civil authorities. Only a sinner who knows his own sinfulness and the power of it will see any need to seek out a Savior. No human law has the power or the authority to stop that work from going forward.

67 posted on 08/19/2013 1:49:30 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Red Badger

“So, Christie is a genetics expert now?.............”

No, but he is trying to be an expert on having THE MEDIA like him.
Remember, a HUGE percentage of today’s mainstream media is GBLT. Hell, it’s a requirement to even get hired in many media outlets now.


68 posted on 08/19/2013 1:52:02 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jim Robinson

Funny how Americans believe in every type of character change or destructive behavior adjustment therapy that exists - smoking, drug addiction, infidelity, weight loss (hello Chris Christie!), alcoholism, sexual addiction, etc...

Yet somehow, people like Christie want to tell us therapy or behavior adjustment for homosexuals is simply impossible and dangerous......


69 posted on 08/19/2013 1:54:46 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Nextrush

Ban trying to help people with their mental disorder is supposed to be “progressive”?? A special license to buy ammo?

This guy wants to run as a Republican for President?


70 posted on 08/19/2013 1:56:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: xzins
quote “Christie said he believes people are born gay and that homosexuality is not a sin. That view is inconsistent with his Catholic faith, which teaches that homosexual acts are sins”

there is nothing inconsistent about that statement.

you can believe that someone is born gay
you can also believe that homosexuality is not a sin.

the same as you can believe that someone is born straight, and that being straight is not a sin.

BEING homosexual is no more a sin than being a red blooded man. ACTING on that impulse is the sin, just as acting on your hetrosexual impulses outside of marriage is a sin.

I don't get why people don't get this.

71 posted on 08/19/2013 2:00:08 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: xzins

So now the Gov knows what therapy is best for patients? So its only good therapy if it affirms the gay? This is crazy. I’ll NEVER vote for this guy. He’s not conservative and anyone who supports this kind of legislation isn’t either.


72 posted on 08/19/2013 2:03:57 PM PDT by Maelstorm (If all are treated as suspects it will not be long before we all are treated as prisoners.)
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To: ViLaLuz

I am sure the Obamacare death panels are already working on it.


73 posted on 08/19/2013 2:05:19 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

See above discussion on thoughts of adultry. Action alone does not define homosexuality. Therapists deal with attitudes and proclivities. There is a homosexual attitude that precedes the act. Why do you not see this?


74 posted on 08/19/2013 2:08:34 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Maelstorm

Catholics whose religion does not go beyond rites and rituals believe themselves equal to God. Christie is convinced he knows better than God what is true and what is false. The Word of God is not a guide for his life. His political motivation is more important.


75 posted on 08/19/2013 2:11:34 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: xzins

Ban Christie from fat farms.


76 posted on 08/19/2013 2:13:03 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: xzins

to all you folks who thought Christie was the absolute winner....have another look. it still galls me to think about our flag at half staff for that friggin’ druggie


77 posted on 08/19/2013 2:13:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: xzins

Sort of like being born a Muslim .... you’re screwed and it’s against Prophet Muckdimuck’s laws, given to him by the Goat God, to convert from being a heathen.


78 posted on 08/19/2013 2:14:06 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: xzins

Satan likes to keep them trapped in their sin.


79 posted on 08/19/2013 2:16:11 PM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD? Psalm 112)
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To: DuncanWaring
...but can't explain why the NBA player who recently proclaimed himself to be homosexual has an identical-twin brother who's not homosexual.

It could be epigenetic, rather than genetic (Don't ask me to explain the science).

Maybe what Christie meant was that he thinks sexual orientation is not a conscious choice or decision, but something the individual doesn't have much control over (I doubt he's any more up on the actual science than I am, though).

80 posted on 08/19/2013 2:18:20 PM PDT by x
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To: alloysteel

Exactly. Its amazing that so many who either call themselves conservative/Republican/libertarian seem to be deniers of “freewill” which is acceptance of the core justification for socialism. Most are born with capability for sexual desire as well as many other drives but we have a choice to do the right thing or not. Denying that choice is dangerous because if you are going to justify being gay with genetics then you must justify adultery, molestation, and even murder. It is a very bad path we are on when we are basically saying you are doomed by your birth and can’t possibly choose a different path than that defined by your environment and genetics.


81 posted on 08/19/2013 2:19:20 PM PDT by Maelstorm (If all are treated as suspects it will not be long before we all are treated as prisoners.)
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To: xzins

He’s a despicable clod.


82 posted on 08/19/2013 2:20:47 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

some people are born with the impulse to burn things down or murder people.

If they never ACT on those impulses or some would argue dwell on thinking about doing them, then they have committed no sin.

We are ALL born with various weaknesses, it is our job to overcome those weaknesses and live the way God has commanded us to.

Glutony is a sin... if you are born with a constant desire to eat to excess, then CONTROL yourself and eat modestly, and don’t sit around dreaming about all the food you could be eating either.

Coveting is a sin... if you are born with the nagging desire to always have more than your neighbor or have what he has, then CONTROL yourself and be content with what you have, and don’t sit around dreaming of what it must be like to be _________, be happy with yourself and what you have.

I could go on and on.

No one blames anyone for being born prone to sin, since we ALL are born that way, all that differs is what we have to struggle with.

Homosexuals obviously have to struggle with being attracted to others of the same sex. Fine. They just need to CONTROL themselves and don’t spend all their time dreaming about what it would be like to be with someone of the same sex and they will not have committed a sin.

It’s that easy.


83 posted on 08/19/2013 2:27:25 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: xzins

In effect “Medical Doctor” Chris Christi is saying if a patient wants this therapy he will be denied this therapy because as a licensed physician he “knows better.”

Stupid Ass be Chris Christi, stupid ass and political charlatan. His desire for political power and pandering is directly proportional to his weight.

He is nothing but a political power hungry whore. My apologies to ladies of the night. They earn an honest living.


84 posted on 08/19/2013 2:30:30 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: alloysteel
In each instance, the moral strength NOT to simply follow the predisposition is a sign of great intestinal fortitude and a supreme test of one’s worthiness as a human being.

Throw in karma and reincarnation, and you get to keep a loving God in your religious theory. Because it would mean that the difficulty of the struggle is related to past behavior that must be dealt with now. But without those dynamics, what's left?

What's left, is a God who makes person A, and person B, with no karma and no reincarnation. Person A has sexual feelings for the opposite sex, while person B has sexual feelings for the same sex, .

So person A knows that their sexual drive is so powerful that even within the bounds of heterosexual dating and marriage, they have sinned many times. But that their sexual drive is so powerful it could never be completely extinguished. Even when they have tried to remain non-sexual, they have failed, every time.

But person A is told to completely extinguish their sexual drive and never act on it - period.

Punishments?

Person A goes to purgatory, and then after a period of time, they go to heaven - forever.

Person B goes to hell, forever.

Which means that, for being unable to stop homosexual sexual urges during a lifetime of, say 80 years - the same strength urges that a heterosexual has - that after a million years of pure heaven, of love and laughter and discovery and pleasure, the heterosexual has an infinite amount of time ahead of them for the same joy, while after a million years in hell, a million years of screamin agony, terror, suffering and abject horror, the homosexual has an infinite amount of time of the same, endless suffering ahead of them.

All because of the difference between who they were sexually attracted to, for 80 years each, at the same level of sexual intensity, which the heterosexual admits they could never ignore themselves (towards the opposite sex).

M'kay.

I could even go along with this if you admitted the God of such a scenario was a psychopath.

But a LOVING God?

Maybe that's why Pope Francis recently said "who am I to judge"?

85 posted on 08/19/2013 2:32:10 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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86 posted on 08/19/2013 2:33:05 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Homosexuals obviously have to struggle with being attracted to others of the same sex. Fine. They just need to CONTROL themselves and don’t spend all their time dreaming about what it would be like to be with someone of the same sex and they will not have committed a sin.

If one were to actually speak to someone who'd been under the bondage of that sin and tried every which way to turn loose, and then eventually to be delivered by Christ, you'd not be quite as casual talking about it. Self control is a gift of the Holy Spirit and it is granted along with God's purpose which is to be glorified in the creation. God allowed this "flat tire" to happen in their lives to signal that they should return to Him. Instead the feebly Christianized world usually advises them that they should make every worldly prideful religionistic effort to exert their will power. Nope, that won't work. One has to rest squarely on the love of the Lord which may actually seem to work LESS well than pride does at the start, but which will quickly grow to surpass what pride could ever do.

87 posted on 08/19/2013 2:33:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Talisker

Most of the world errs in believing the Lord is LESS kind than He is. Not MORE. They don’t WANT to be forgiven. They’d sooner keep their pride, the legacy of the fall in the Garden.

The little secret of God is that divine forgiveness and divine love enables quicker and better repentance than all the religious schemes men have plastered over Him. God’s really fuming at a lot of the Christian world. It obscures His counsel to various degrees.


88 posted on 08/19/2013 2:40:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Talisker

The way I first became aware of this phenomenal divine kindness, incidentally, is that I realized I didn’t owe agony offerings in my head when I had done something embarrassing or made a mistake. That realization spread, and then I realized that I needed to stop damning things. I did, and my vistas opened up further. Then I offered something to the Lord that had been an occasion of longstanding bad sin, but I asked Him to be glorified in it. It was a fight, but He honored my prayer and did not condemn me. Now things really started to open up for me. Really it plays out truly that “as you give, so it shall be given unto you.” Want to feel like you don’t have to give agony offerings? Don’t expect anyone else to give agony offerings. Want to not feel damned? Don’t damn. Want something with which you sinned not to trip you up any more? Dedicate it to the Lord and ask his blessing. Want to be blessed? Bless. Want to be glorified by the Lord? Glorify Him. It’s simple and it’s wonderful, now it also comes with spiritual fights, but when followed you WILL be headed forward towards heavenliness.


89 posted on 08/19/2013 2:50:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: xzins; Jim Robinson

But...but...it’s Chris Christie!!! He’s the ONLIEST one who’s ELECTABLE, dontcha know...

I agree with JR... FUCC (sorry, Padre xzins!!!)...


90 posted on 08/19/2013 2:50:11 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Christie is not s...electable outside of the country club liberal fringe of the GOPe party


91 posted on 08/19/2013 2:51:06 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SandyInSeattle

But he doesn’t know. No one knows.

He is not ok.


92 posted on 08/19/2013 3:03:07 PM PDT by stanne
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To: xzins

So is it now illegal for a gay teen to seek counseling? Seems to be rather autocratic to me, What is a teen requests help. Are they to be denied therapy? Talk about dumb.

Will it be illegal for a priest to hear confession from a repentant sinner too?


93 posted on 08/19/2013 3:06:44 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

God never went on vacation here.

I think God is setting up to say something like, “Clergy and lay evangelists, WAKE UP! Minister My gospel with some moxie! Tell these folks to glorify Me again, sanctify Me in their bodies, and it’s through the DO’s not the DONT’s they get the power!”


94 posted on 08/19/2013 3:10:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: xzins

Apparently the idea that homosexuality is a an abnormal and deviant sexual behavior must be abandoned; and homosexuality is merely a healthy, viable alternative to normal heterosexual behavior.


95 posted on 08/19/2013 3:10:33 PM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: GeronL

Nah!! Clearly, He’s “The One” who can beat Hillary!!!

He’ll out-Dem the Dem!!! He’ll Out-Lib the Lib! And things will be just swell, with unicorns and rainbows and sh*t...

You’re just NOT with the Program, brother... Why, you might even be a ... gasp... Conservative ... (NOOOOOO!!!!!!How’d HE get in here???)

(Shh... I won’t tells nobodies no’s how!!!)


96 posted on 08/19/2013 3:10:53 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: xzins; LucyT; null and void

97 posted on 08/19/2013 3:17:45 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
"Honestly, Mr. President, I'm sportin' wood right now!"

"They all do, Chris, they all do!"


98 posted on 08/19/2013 3:35:22 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: Red Badger

Better yet, he is NJ’s top Catholic theologian.


99 posted on 08/19/2013 3:52:10 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Red Badger

Better yet, he is NJ’s top Catholic theologian.


100 posted on 08/19/2013 3:52:18 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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