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Time for a New American Revolution?
The American Thinker ^ | August 19, 2013 | Richard Winchester

Posted on 08/19/2013 1:22:51 PM PDT by Jack Black

...Some think it's time for a new American revolution.

...Moreover, many of the preconditions for a revolt exist.

Before specifying some indications of the potential for revolution in the U.S., let me mention several conditions noted by the historian Crane Brinton (1898-1968) in The Anatomy of Revolution (1938, 1952, 1965). Brinton studied revolutions in four western countries: Great Britain in the 1640s, America in the late 18th century, France a few years later, and the Russian revolutions of 1917.

...In each country, just before revolution broke out, there were indications that the old regime was increasingly dysfunctional. The four governments faced huge budget deficits. Citizens complained -- far more than normal -- about excessive taxation. There were conspicuous decisions by which the central government favored some economic interests over others. There were also well-publicized instances of government malfeasance and/or corruption.

Brinton identified two other important developments in pre-revolutionary societies: (1) members of the ruling class lost self-confidence, leading to that class' increasing ineptitude; and (2) the intelligentsia were alienated from the old regime.

As before, are any bells ringing? Now we're ready to look at developments in America, and ask if they foretell revolutionary change. I shall focus on public opinion polls. Brinton lacked access to reliable information about public opinion in the four countries: i.e., polls conducted by modern methods.

It would require too many words to relate all facets of recent polls that reveal the potential for a new American revolution. I concentrate on the most important. Others could readily be added.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cwii; cwiiping; donttreadonme; govtabuse; revolution; tyranny
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1 posted on 08/19/2013 1:22:51 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

YES!


2 posted on 08/19/2013 1:28:46 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Jack Black

Real close!


3 posted on 08/19/2013 1:34:04 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Jack Black

Some here have been saying for quite some time there is the smell of revolution in the air.


4 posted on 08/19/2013 1:35:02 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Jack Black

Don’t we need a declaration of some kind?


5 posted on 08/19/2013 1:43:37 PM PDT by Shark24
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To: Jack Black

Is it time yet, Claire?


6 posted on 08/19/2013 1:48:14 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jack Black
The American 'Revolution' was not really a revolution, which should involve a reversal (turnover, revolution) of the class system. The American change was a secession, of the colonies from England. The class system was not reversed in either England or in America.
7 posted on 08/19/2013 1:54:50 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Jack Black

Anyone who is only just now considering the possibility of revolution in this country is a slow learner. I wanted to revolt when the feds burned men, women and children to the ground in Waco. We as a country have been taking serious blows from the fedgov for years, standing there absorbing uppercuts, roundhouses, kidney shots and whatnot, and now, lying in the hospital bandaged and splinted, we’ve got some people saying “OK, if they try just one more thing, I’m REALLY going to do something.”


8 posted on 08/19/2013 1:58:11 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Jack Black
this government is obviously getting ready for something because they keep buying up massive amounts of ammo, even from Russia along with 600,000 AK-47 30 round magazines. Reported today on Info Wars the TSA is purchasing 3.5 million rounds of .357s.
9 posted on 08/19/2013 1:58:58 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: expat2
The American change was a secession, of the colonies from England. The class system was not reversed in either England or in America.

That is 100% correct. The last time that was tried, secession was not won by the petitioners.
10 posted on 08/19/2013 2:06:30 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: fr_freak

I think that there are many who are “awake”, but they still feel too isolated to rise up. I know many “patriots” who are still not yet ready to “mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”


11 posted on 08/19/2013 2:09:33 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Jack Black; All

The best indicator of a PHONY ADMINISTRATION is the number of its REAL SCANDALS.

Commie Obama’s talking points are thus smokescreen distractions for the products of Obama’s first 4 years in office:

* Refusal to close US Southern Border to Mexican illegal alien invaders
* No known un-forged records of Place of Birth
* No known un-forged records of University grades
* Benghazi Massacre
* Dereliction of Duty as CIC during Benghazi Massacre
* Cover up of Benghazi Massacre
* Destruction of Seal Team Six
* Cover up of Fast and Furious murder of US Border Agent by Exec. Order
* IRS-Obama’care” Commune Death Grip on Wealth and Health
* NSA-Gestapo Death Grip on all citizen’s communications
* Use Courts against News Media
* Use of Supreme Court to install Un-Constitutional Obama’care’ Tax
* Destruction of the US Coal Industry
* Refusal to permit XL Pipeline construction
* Trillion Dollar a year Federal Overspending
* Monthly violations of the US Constitution by Obama
* Use of Exec. Orders to bypass Congress


12 posted on 08/19/2013 2:10:10 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Jack Black

Texas, then Florida. Then, Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana. South and North Carolina. Arizona, Nevada, Utah. Montana, North and South Dakota. There’s 13 orginal states for US 2.0.


13 posted on 08/19/2013 2:18:48 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Tennessee before Florida...geez. :-)


14 posted on 08/19/2013 2:25:04 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Jack Black
Jack, the second revolution began in the 1960s and it's almost over. It's been a cost-free battle for the Radical Left because they've had little to no opposition. They've boiled their American frogs by stealth tactics designed to divide and conquer and corrupt every aspect of our culture.

We could have won so easily back in the 70s or 80s but our side has been complacent and easily misled, often refusing to acknowledge what was happening. Now the water's getting noticeably hot and the frogs are beginning to pay attention. It may be too late: the Obama regime's ready to turn the heat way up.

15 posted on 08/19/2013 2:46:28 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Sopater

No, indeed. No, secession is rarely looked upon favorably by the parent government, and force of arms is commonly brought to bear — as in the case you mention. (Tho’ as I understand it, the ‘petitioner’ was the first to use force).


16 posted on 08/19/2013 3:01:48 PM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2
Tho’ as I understand it, the ‘petitioner’ was the first to use force.

Yes, but as I understand it, it was due to a refusal to abandon a fortress on said petitioner's sovereign territory.
17 posted on 08/19/2013 3:18:16 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: VRWC For Truth

And after the secession, then what?

Will these states get rid of illegals and Muzzies?

If not, nothing will change.


18 posted on 08/19/2013 3:35:31 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Shark24
"Don’t we need a declaration of some kind?"

When they passed and signed the NDAA, and announced drones in the sky....

That was the declaration.

19 posted on 08/20/2013 3:39:25 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: 353FMG
And after the secession, then what? Will these states get rid of illegals and Muzzies? If not, nothing will change.

Wouldn't that be the point, you don't risk EVERYTHING in a secession even a possible civil war II to maintain the status quo? Get real.

20 posted on 08/20/2013 3:46:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mouton
the smell of revolution in the air.

Dr. Hannibal Lecter: Now then, tell me. What did Miggs say to you? Multiple Miggs in the next cell. He hissed at you. What did he say?

21 posted on 08/20/2013 4:37:58 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Little early for alcohol, what are you trying to say, you disagree with my comment??


22 posted on 08/20/2013 4:51:07 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Jack Black

“The revolution was effected before the war commenced.
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people.
This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments,
and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.”
~John Adams~


23 posted on 08/20/2013 5:16:01 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jack Black
The "new revolution" has already happened. It occurred November 4, 2008. and was re-affirmed November 6, 2012. They are now in the process of consolidating their power.

I think that what you are referring to is a return to Constitutional Government. That is not going to happen because our side knows that they have too many creature comforts they are unwilling to give up.

It is only when freedom becomes more precious than life that people are willing to fight for it.

24 posted on 08/20/2013 5:27:08 AM PDT by sport
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..
CWII Ping.

Here is an article from the American thinker that discusses the question very directly. Interesting that the topic is so mainstream at this point.


25 posted on 08/20/2013 10:24:26 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

We’ve had a Revolution. A Marxist one.

We need a Restoration. A fight to restore our Constitutional Republic.

My Daughter’s birthday party is Saturday, but I’m free after that...


26 posted on 08/20/2013 10:26:24 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Jack Black

I was wondering why you hadn’t done a CWII Ping when you first posted this one (see - I’m paying attention :-P ).


27 posted on 08/20/2013 10:35:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jack Black
"Are sufficient numbers of Americans willing to risk their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor? Time will tell."

Is any more time required?

28 posted on 08/20/2013 11:08:57 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: VRWC For Truth

How about Idaho too?


29 posted on 08/20/2013 11:25:08 AM PDT by Mark17 (Yesterday I couldn't spell it. Today I are one, a creepy a$$ cracker)
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To: Bernard Marx
“Jack, the second revolution began in the 1960s and it's almost over.....We could have won so easily back in the 70s or 80s but our side has been complacent and easily misled, often refusing to acknowledge what was happening.”

Spot on. That being said, our side was not only complacent; but also complicit in engaging in the lifestyles touted by the left and trying to maintain their conservative status. It is not possible to serve two ideologies and now we see the Rhino conservatives produced by the attempt. They have been belly up, legs in the air for decades.
30 posted on 08/20/2013 11:33:00 AM PDT by MWestMom (Psalms 109:8)
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To: drypowder
this government is obviously getting ready for something because they keep buying up massive amounts of ammo, even from Russia along with 600,000 AK-47 30 round magazines. Reported today on Info Wars the TSA is purchasing 3.5 million rounds of .357s.

Why would the government need AK's and 7.62mm Pact ammo wheb we have the M-16 family that takes .223 Remington? I wonder if this will be filtered to the "Civilian Army" Obummer spoke of in 2008 and/or the New Black Panthers or something?
31 posted on 08/20/2013 11:42:46 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (I miss you Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012). Take care, pretty girl!)
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To: Jack Black; Jacquerie; IbJensen; Windflier; Graewoulf; VRWC For Truth; expat2; central_va; ...

Please, before we even consider takng that final bloody, horrible step, our Founding Fathers did put in an escape hatch into the constitution for just such a time as this. We may be able to resolve this without blood. (Maybe not, but isn’t it worth trying?)

Our founding fathers knew sinful human nature, and they knew that someday the executive, legislative and judicial branches at the federal level would grab power and become totally oppressive. That is why our constitution almost wasn’t ratified. Many insisted that there needed to be some way for the STATES to correct an out of control situation, for that day that they saw might come sometime in the future. (How wise they were back in those days 200 years ago!)

They put in a way for We the People to get that power back via an end-run around the federal government, by having the STATES call a convention for constitutional amendments to address problems of an out of control federal government. BY THE WAY, this is NOT a constitutional convention. (Next part from Jacquerie - thank you)
“It would be a convention to propose amendments. Instead of congress proposing amendments, the states would get together to do the same.

In addition to 3/4 assent of the states to whatever the convention comes up with, another practical limitation is that attendees to the convention will be DELEGATES and not representatives. Delegates have commissions, limitations on what they can support.”

Revolution may be the only way out, but please, let’s consider and move forward with the Liberty Amendments first.
We can do this WITHOUT any of our worthless, hopeless, compromised RINO repubs OR any of the slimeball Marxist Dems at the Federal level!!! We can do this via the states!

When you look at the election maps of the states - I think there are enough states that are “red” that we could do this!(Especially since the convention could be one state- one vote - NOT by population apportionment).

Levin’s amendments include:(simplified listing from a reviewer on Amazon)- there are several more than these - but you get the drift.

1. Term limits, including for justices.
2. Repealing Amendment 17 and returning the election of senators to state legislatures
3. A congressional supermajority to override Supreme Court decisions (overruling what could be a stacked court)
4. Spending limit based on GDP
5. Taxation capped at 15%
6. Limiting the commerce clause, and strengthening private property rights
7. Power of states to override a federal statute by a three-fifths vote.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Liberty-Amendments-Restoring-American/dp/1451606273/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377024954&sr=8-1&keywords=liberty+amendments


32 posted on 08/20/2013 12:16:55 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 94)
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To: boxlunch
Well, boxlunch....That makes entirely too much sense. : ) Seriously, could this be done? Rumblings from states over the past year has led me to believe that many are ready for this type of action.
33 posted on 08/20/2013 1:24:46 PM PDT by MWestMom (Psalms 109:8)
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To: fr_freak
Time for the "Crane Kick"?

34 posted on 08/20/2013 2:14:18 PM PDT by Lucky9teen ("The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative." ~ Edward Abbey)
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To: fr_freak
Time for the "Crane Kick"?

35 posted on 08/20/2013 2:15:10 PM PDT by Lucky9teen ("The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative." ~ Edward Abbey)
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To: Jack Black

Revolt to what result? Revolutions don’t just roll back the clock.


36 posted on 08/20/2013 2:20:14 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: boxlunch

I am not one of those who wants a revolution and your suggestion is a useful one. However, if it requires 3/4 of the states to do anything, it ain’t going to be useful. MA, MD, NH, RI, CT, CA, OR, WA are lost causes efore you even start.


37 posted on 08/20/2013 2:52:48 PM PDT by expat2
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To: ctdonath2

If Egypt (and history) has taught us anything, it’s that Revolutions don’t necessarily give you the outcome you desire.

Something Glenn Beck has been saying for quite a while, and with something I tend to agree, is that the Progressives have been building their “foundation” for decades. They’ve been steps ahead of us...putting their plan, agenda, etc, in motion under our noses...or, keeping us preoccupied and distracted/complacent.

So, if a “revolt” happens, and we tear down the current system, who has their “foundation” in place to set up shop and start implementing their agenda first? Who is most organized? Or, what happens when there is no organization? As I said, Egypt can show us a lot to those questions.

No one really wants a bloody civil war. And does anyone, once thinking it through, really believe, we can rid ourselves of the Progressive cancer that has corrupted the system that easily? Does anyone honestly believe that isn’t something they are counting on...or worse, that they are wanting us to do? My take, is based on how this administration especially, has urged, prodded, pushed and done their damn best to provoke and divide, that is exactly what they want.

I say we do our best to follow the most peaceful path we can and exhaust every resource and opportunity to RESTORE this country the right way and let the “revolution” be a last resort.

Please note that I am thoroughly disgusted with the evil that these people have gotten away with thus far, and I too am finding myself asking, every day, when, when is enough enough? When will this be stopped? When will THEY be stopped. But I always follow that line of thinking, and realize it’s going to take more than just removing the a-holes in government. It’s society, culture and the way of thinking, that has to be changed too, in order to fully restore our country. IMO


38 posted on 08/20/2013 3:46:44 PM PDT by Lucky9teen ("The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative." ~ Edward Abbey)
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To: Jack Black

Up!


39 posted on 08/20/2013 4:24:56 PM PDT by bayouranger (Those Who Are Anti-Islam are a National Security Threat.- J.Brennan CIA Dir. Feb10)
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To: Nowhere Man

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Why would the government need AK’s and 7.62mm Pact ammo <<

I have a hunch Obama and his minions have been supplying the Muslims rebels with ammo in various parts of the world. That is not something our mil-ind-complex would object to because whenever there’s fighting going on they are making money.


40 posted on 08/20/2013 5:08:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Jack Black
where...

Where will we draw the line?

When will we say enough??

What will finally provoke spontaneous direction action???

41 posted on 08/20/2013 5:16:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lucky9teen

You well articulated what I was thinking. We’re ready on an individual level, but they’re ready on a sociopolitical level.


42 posted on 08/20/2013 5:41:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: boxlunch; All

Was then Secretary of the Treasury Timmy Geithner the original author of the IRS harassment policy towards the TEA Party?


43 posted on 08/20/2013 8:11:51 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Chode

“Where will we draw the line?”

Doesn’t matter where the line is drawn as the line will keep getting pushed back and re-drawn.

“When will we say enough??”

We say it all the time now. Id venture that we’ll keep saying while re-drawing the line.

“What will finally provoke spontaneous direction action???”

Nothing. It’s not the 18th century. Revolution isn’t going to happen and neither is CW2. Like it or not, too many people depend on the government. It’s a fun little day dream tho.


44 posted on 08/20/2013 8:24:31 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: Lucky9teen

“It’s society, culture and the way of thinking, that has to be changed too, in order to fully restore our country. IMO”

Well stated. Sadly i don’t think things can be reversed. The wheel has turned and our values as a society aren’t what they were even 30 years ago.

Our current circumstances reflect societies values. We conservatives are the last holdouts.


45 posted on 08/20/2013 8:30:09 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob
for the most part yes, but there is a growing section that basically has nothing left to lose... they might not act in a group, but they prolly will act
46 posted on 08/21/2013 4:44:00 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Mouton

No disagreement at all; just describing what revolution smells like. If you saw Silence of the Lambs you would know what Clarise’s answer to Hannibal’s question was...not a pleasant smell to some.


47 posted on 08/21/2013 11:55:14 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Graewoulf; All

One point of honest difference here:

“* Use of Supreme Court to install Un-Constitutional Obama’care’ Tax”

The SCOTUS did not “install” ObamaCare...Congress, the legislative branch did...And the President signed it into law...

SCOTUS ONLY determined that the answer to the question before it, on the Affordable Health Care Act (ObamaCare) was, was it simply a tax...You are correct that it IS a tax, and therefore something that Congress CAN removed, defund, toss it out, whatever the solution to remove it can be...

The question of the bills Constitutionality was never broached in argments before it...It was only left to the media to put their own slant on it, working in conjunction with that very same legislature to promote it and incorrectly, racially demonize, those who were opposed to the bill, and law for that matter now...

There is ust not enough political courage to do anything about it...

But we may not have to wait much longer, as ObamaCare is springing leaks and is sinking as we speak...

What I am hoping for is that it should die on the vine before it is fully implemented...Which it may very well do...We just need to keep our Reps feet to the fire, and expect them to get it done...They control the disbursment of money to these programs...They can shut it down very quickly, if they want to...


48 posted on 08/22/2013 8:45:12 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Maybe a Financial Impaction Statement should be filed by the CBO?


49 posted on 08/22/2013 9:34:05 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Jack Black

50 posted on 08/22/2013 9:42:21 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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