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Judge Says Courts Must Accept Shariah Influence
Investor's Business Daily ^ | August 19, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 08/19/2013 4:13:09 PM PDT by raptor22

First Amendment: An Oklahoma constitutional amendment barring the state's courts from weighing or using Shariah law was struck down in federal court. How can a law written to protect the Constitution be unconstitutional?

Only in the parallel universe of judicial activists in which U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange resides can a law barring a particular religion's influence over court decisions be considered under the First Amendment of the Constitution as an unconstitutional establishment of competing religions.

"While the public has an interest in the will of the voters being carried out, the court finds that the public has a more profound and long-term interest in upholding an individual's constitutional rights," Miles-LaGrange wrote in her decision.

That individual would be Muneer Awad, a Muslim and U.S. citizen who once was executive director of the Oklahoma chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, and who filed a lawsuit on Nov. 4, 2010, seeking to block the Save Our State amendment that had been approved by 70% of Oklahoma voters two days earlier.

On Nov. 29, 2010, Miles-LaGranfe issued a preliminary injunction, finding that Awad had legal standing and that the amendment likely violated both the Free Exercise Clause and the Establishment Clause.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: constitution; firstamendment; ibd; sharialaw; ssharia

1 posted on 08/19/2013 4:13:09 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22; MestaMachine; thouworm; maggief; Myrddin; shibumi; Hardraade; Candor7; ...

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2 posted on 08/19/2013 4:20:57 PM PDT by LucyT (In politics, " Lack of Money" speaks louder than words. Stop donating to RINOs.)
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To: raptor22

If you are talking about LAW, the free exercise and establishment laws do not apply. There is only one law, and the sharia law cannot co-exist with our law. They can practice their religion all day long, but when their religion trumps the laws of our land we must part ways.


3 posted on 08/19/2013 4:23:44 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: raptor22

This must be fought against and overturned. I get a headache just trying to figure out how twisted this decision truly is. This judge is bound by the US Constitution and not some radical leftist wet dream. This is outrageous!


4 posted on 08/19/2013 4:23:50 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: raptor22

Also the Oklahoma Constitution and State Law.


5 posted on 08/19/2013 4:26:13 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LucyT
Judge Says Courts Must Accept Shariah Influence

Old Sarge Says Judge Can Fornicate Himself And His Equine Conveyance.

6 posted on 08/19/2013 4:29:11 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: raptor22

I think we need to behead the judge according to sharia law. /s


7 posted on 08/19/2013 4:30:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: raptor22

America is in deep trouble.


8 posted on 08/19/2013 4:31:15 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: raptor22
the first game of Cowboys and Goathumpers is fast approaching...
9 posted on 08/19/2013 4:33:10 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Once you see a hyphenated surname on a document you’re pretty much guaranteed idiocy is to follow.


10 posted on 08/19/2013 4:33:44 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: raptor22
The headline is wrong. The law barring use of Sharia law was struck down. There is no legal requirement for courts to use Sharia law in Oklahoma and the state admitted to the court there is no known instance of Sharia ever having been used.

The article also omits that the case was appealed to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals and unanimously affirmed.

11 posted on 08/19/2013 4:35:38 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: raptor22
Judge Says Courts Must Accept Shariah Influence

Correct, so based on their influence don't trust Muslims who feel bound by these laws which could render them sociopaths with a focus on abusing women and non-Muslims.

12 posted on 08/19/2013 4:43:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: raptor22

The Constitution specifically says that the English Common Law is the basis of decision.(I forget if the clause is in any way modified.)


13 posted on 08/19/2013 4:45:07 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: raptor22

The Constitution specifically says that the English Common Law is the basis of decision.(I forget if the clause is in any way modified.)


14 posted on 08/19/2013 4:45:35 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Goldsborough
"Once you see a hyphenated surname on a document you’re pretty much guaranteed idiocy is to follow."

Bingo! Thou hast "nailed it". Verdict stupidity is absolutely to be expected from persons with such names.

15 posted on 08/19/2013 4:54:04 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: raptor22

No problem. Just send further amendment laws to the states dialling marriage contracts under Hebronic law.

Same with any other law that offends or could offend a religion.

It could even apply to Mormons who are encouraged under prophecy/doctrine to take many wives and preclude Laminites from the Priesthood.

It’s their religion after all and we no right to infringe on their 1st amendment.

In fact, we can act supra judiciously and under the Jude/Christian laws outlined in Exodus act of our own volition.

Which provides a clear determination, in God’s eyes, that an unborn baby is clearly valuable as a life and that being taken while in the womb has a proscribed punishment for the taker.

Quick and easy dissolution of Roe v Wade.


16 posted on 08/19/2013 5:05:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: LucyT
(From Wiki)
Vicki Miles-LaGrange (born 1953) is the Chief U.S. District Judge for the Western District of Oklahoma.[2] She was the first African-American woman to be sworn in as U.S. attorney for the Western District of Oklahoma. ....

Miles-LaGrange was nominated by President Bill Clinton on September 22, 1994, to a seat on the United States District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma ....


Okay, that's enough of that. She's black, she be down wit' Slick, she be down wit' Osagyefo Redeemer Obama, the Brotherhood, all that.

We get it. Tame judge, forum-shopped by a CAIR scumbag shyster.

17 posted on 08/19/2013 5:10:58 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: raptor22

Okay so what about Christian and Jewish law? Now they can use that since Sharia is okay?? It’d be a cold day in Heck before I’d submit to any muslim (I don’t dignify muslim by capitalizing it)law in the US.


18 posted on 08/19/2013 5:21:02 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: LucyT; raptor22

Sharia Law

Sharia law is the law of Islam. Sharia (also spelled ‘Shariah’) is cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad, and the collective reasoning and deductions of Muslim imams.

As a legal system, Islam’s Sharia law covers a wide range of subjects. The stipulations of the Sharia law, however, are unlike any other legal system in the world.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.

Sharia is the national law of Saudi Arabia but has been seeping into Europe, UK, Canada and America as Islam expands, led by the Muslim Brotherhood movement.


19 posted on 08/19/2013 5:49:58 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: LucyT; raptor22

Sharia Law

Sharia law is the law of Islam. Sharia (also spelled ‘Shariah’) is cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad, and the collective reasoning and deductions of Muslim imams.

As a legal system, Islam’s Sharia law covers a wide range of subjects. The stipulations of the Sharia law, however, are unlike any other legal system in the world.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.

Sharia is the national law of Saudi Arabia but has been seeping into Europe, UK, Canada and America as Islam expands, led by the Muslim Brotherhood movement.


20 posted on 08/19/2013 5:50:08 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: LucyT; raptor22

Sharia Law

Sharia law is the law of Islam. Sharia (also spelled ‘Shariah’) is cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad, and the collective reasoning and deductions of Muslim imams.

As a legal system, Islam’s Sharia law covers a wide range of subjects. The stipulations of the Sharia law, however, are unlike any other legal system in the world.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.

Sharia is the national law of Saudi Arabia but has been seeping into Europe, UK, Canada and America as Islam expands, led by the Muslim Brotherhood movement.


21 posted on 08/19/2013 5:50:13 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag

Bookmark.


22 posted on 08/19/2013 5:54:02 PM PDT by sport
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You can't do that in a Constitutional Republic.



Support FR



23 posted on 08/19/2013 6:39:37 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag
OK, if this libtard judge is so down with Sharia law, let her

marry off her infant daughters.

have her private parts mowed off

get beaten by her husband

give up her car

be treated as an absolute chattel and animal by her husband

and then ask her what she thinks about Sharia law. If her husband allows it.

24 posted on 08/19/2013 6:41:32 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Really, what makes people do such stupid things?

Not the muslims, they’re primitive paranoid tribes.

The judge is an idiot or has been blackmailed.

There’s a lot of that going on.


25 posted on 08/19/2013 6:54:00 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: EinNYC

Really, what makes people do such stupid things?

Not the muslims, they’re primitive paranoid tribes.

The judge is an idiot or has been blackmailed.

There’s a lot of that going on.


26 posted on 08/19/2013 6:54:13 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: raptor22

Read “The Harbinger.”


27 posted on 08/19/2013 7:27:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: raptor22

impeach her


28 posted on 08/19/2013 7:51:15 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: raptor22

Sure, just so the courts don’t allow any disgusting Christian influence.


29 posted on 08/19/2013 7:52:15 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: PistolPaknMama
There is only one law, and the sharia law cannot co-exist with our law. They can practice their religion all day long, but when their religion trumps the laws of our land we must part ways.

AMEN Mama

30 posted on 08/20/2013 3:12:50 AM PDT by beachn4fun (You are either an American - or not!)
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To: Goldsborough

That is the truth!


31 posted on 08/20/2013 4:20:44 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: PistolPaknMama
"If you are talking about LAW, the free exercise and establishment laws do not apply. There is only one law, and the sharia law cannot co-exist with our law. They can practice their religion all day long, but when their religion trumps the laws of our land we must part ways."

Very well said!

32 posted on 08/20/2013 4:24:32 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: raptor22
Judge Says Courts Must Accept Shariah Influence

That's not what the judge said.

33 posted on 08/20/2013 4:29:19 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: lentulusgracchus
From the judge's decision:

To survive strict scrutiny under Larson, [defendants] must show (1) a compelling government interest, and (2) that the amendment is ‘closely fitted’ to that compelling interest.” Regarding the “compelling state interest” element, the [Defendants] provided only one sentence on compelling interest. They simply assert that “Oklahoma certainly has a compelling interest in determining what law is applied in Oklahoma courts.”

Oklahoma’s asserted interest is a valid state concern. But this general statement alone is not sufficient to establish a compelling interest for purposes of this case. [Defendants] do not identify any actual problem the challenged amendment seeks to solve. Indeed, they admitted at the preliminary injunction hearing that they did not know of even a single instance where an Oklahoma court had applied Sharia law or used the legal precepts of other nations or cultures, let alone that such applications or uses had resulted in concrete problems in Oklahoma. Given the lack of evidence of any concrete problem, any harm [defendants] seek to remedy with the proposed amendment is speculative at best and cannot support a compelling interest.

So in other words it's a do-nothing amendment directed at a non-existent crisis and which solves nothing.

34 posted on 08/20/2013 4:35:47 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: SkyDancer
Okay so what about Christian and Jewish law? Now they can use that since Sharia is okay?? It’d be a cold day in Heck before I’d submit to any muslim (I don’t dignify muslim by capitalizing it)law in the US.

Since the proposed amendment only banned Sharia and international law, the laws of any other religion would have been acceptable. Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Druid, you name it could apparently be used in the courts against you.

35 posted on 08/20/2013 4:39:38 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Lady Jag
Really, what makes people do such stupid things?

Did you read the decision?

36 posted on 08/20/2013 4:43:17 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

IBD EDITORIAL PING


37 posted on 08/20/2013 5:27:07 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: raptor22

There must be some unwritten law that says you can’t be a brain dead, moon bat liberal, without a hyphenated name..


38 posted on 08/20/2013 8:04:32 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The GOP, the ultimate battered wife? Or willing co-conspirators? You decide..)
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To: cardinal4

The “judge” sounds like another affirmative-action, equal-opportunity loser (irrespective of the substance of her ruling).


39 posted on 08/20/2013 8:12:49 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: Goldsborough

Yes, if people don’t like the custom of adopting the name of the father the woman should just keep using her maiden name and they should flip a coin to decide whether the children will carry the name of the father or the mother, not saddle them with both. As so many have said what happens when Smith-Jones marries Brown-Blue? Do the children carry the surname Smith-Jones-Brown-Blue? What happens when Smith-Jones-Brown-Blue marries Johnson-Jensen-Wilson-Anderson? There are all kindss of surnames and combining two could result in some real killer names like Coon-Hunter, White-Black or vice-versa, Upton-Downer, Rushing-Quick, Upjohn-Peters, Brown-Dick etc.


40 posted on 08/20/2013 10:16:18 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: raptor22

Has anyone considered outlawing CAIR? It is no more loyal to the United States than the Communist Party was in the Cold War years.


41 posted on 08/20/2013 10:18:41 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: colorado tanker
the state admitted to the court there is no known instance of Sharia ever having been used

Best to stay a step ahead of them before it's too late.

42 posted on 08/20/2013 12:49:15 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: raptor22

Judge Milies-LaGrange should be sent to live in Saudi Arabia. If she’s still alive in a year we can bring her back and ask her if her opinion has changed.


43 posted on 08/20/2013 8:36:59 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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