Skip to comments.Warthog fans rally after Flake revelation
Posted on 08/20/2013 4:01:59 AM PDT by \/\/ayne
A nationwide effort has begun to save the Air Forces A-10 after Arizona Senator Jeff Flake revealed on the James T. Harris radio show that plans were in place to mothball the craft. Boots on the ground have joined A-10 pilots and crews to save the plane that has frequently saved them.
Fans of the A-10 warthog are circulating a petition in the hopes of gathering 100,000 signatures by September 16. Facebook groups Stand for Protecting Heroes, Keep the A10 in the U.S. Military, and Save the A-10 deployed rapidly in defense of the plane that offers them their best chance of survival in war.
Flake, on a brief visit to Arizona during the Congressional summer recess, was asked by Harris if he would confirm reports that the A-10 was going to be retired. Flake responded that the A-10 would be retired but held out the promise of the F-35 as a viable substitute.
Flakes candor shocked the Harris listeners, many of who work at the nearby Davis Monthan Air Force Base, which is home to the Warthog. The admission sent shockwaves throughout Arizona, and rippled out to the warrior community over the weekend.
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“but held out the promise of the F-35 as a viable substitute. “
lol thats a good one
MI ANG, sign me up!
Yeah, that’s pretty funny. The Air Force won’t risk that aircraft in a close support role. It’s too expensive.
If the Air Force gets rid of the A-10 with no follow up aircraft capable of doing the job then the close support role needs to be handled the Army. IIRC the Army threatened to do just that the last time the Air Force said it was going to mothball the A-10. Maybe this time it will happen.
The USAF isn’t going to risk the expensive F-35A running into flak-traps where it could get knocked down by a lucky shot or a MANPAD. The virtue of the A-10 is that it is tough, relatively cheap and the Avenger cannon is a lot less expensive to use on certain targets.
Using the F-35 on a straffing run is like hooking a Porsche up to your camper for the weekend.
Congress tried this before and it didn’t float. The Hawg is too reliable and valuable for the CAS mission.
Barry would love to see us get rid of the A-10.
Statement is indeed snark worthy. F-35 is the next F-100 jack of all trades master of none aircraft. Designed as a stealth aircraft it won’t meet close support mission requirements that the beautiful Warthog can. I haven’t seen any depiction of the payload but doubt it will come close to the A-10’s.
Barry would love to see us get rid of almost all military
I have a better plan... mothball ALL demoncrats, obama and 2/3 of the republican party and build America back as the baddest MF’er in the valley and repeal every law passed since 1988.
Works well against the Muzzies, though, and as they are enemy No. 1, the A-10s are still relevant.
...on a brief visit to Arizona during the Congressional summer recess...
Apparently doesn't live there?
Save our Warthogs!
The B-52 and C-130 still have roles to play. No reason why the A-10 couldn’t.
They want to retire the Hog so that can then say OH....we need the F-35 now more than ever since we don't have a plane that can do CAS.
And then when we get there...they will say...we can't risk the F-35 on the CAS mission.
The generals in the AF are a bunch of PC hacks. They embarrass me. I hope that some of them are reading. YOU EMBARRASS ME. YOU ARE A DISGRACE. YOU DON'T DESERVE TO WEAR THE SAME RANK AS LEMAY and TIBBETS.
In the 70’s & ‘80’s man-portable SAMs were not really up to the task except for the the US Stinger. The Soviets would have been relying on their ZSUs and tracked SAMs for defending the airspace over their armored spearheads. The A-10 would have shreaded them.
Today’s MANPADS are a lot deadlier. But the A-10 design is still the most survivable in the inventory.
But military planners are always extrapolating the capabilities of weapons and they have been thinking the A-10 is obsolete for quite some time now. But all we seem to get involved in is counter-insurgencies and other low-threat air environments where A-10’s, B-52’s and AC-130’s are what the doctor ordered.
I doubt the F35 hang time can match the A10 either.
they’d make a hell of a FAC plane...
They ARE being used as a FAC plane.
The air force leadership has been trying to kill the Warthog for years.
Back in the ‘90s their master plan was to replace it with the F-16 Fighting Falcon.
They were smugly arrogant about it too.
Claimed that while the ‘Hog was designed to take hits, the Falcon was designed to avoid them...
Idiocy at its best.
When its loiter time is 8+ hours, where the ground crew have to help the pilot out of the cockpit due to fatigue, then I'll be impressed.
When its logistic's foot print and support requirements are less than the A-10’s, then I'll be impressed.
When it can execute the ground support mission BETTER than the A-10, I'll be impressed.
Noe of the above are realizable with that POS.
The USAF leadership has a favorite refrain: “Big sky, little bullet” Yet, the planes still take hits and the A-10 does that better than any currently in the inventory.
I take exception to that statement!
“The B-52 and C-130 still have roles to play. No reason why the A-10 couldnt.”
No reason but for administrative indifference?
Another important national and regional story broken by Cheesehead turned Tucsonian James T Harris.
Why have an Airforce in the first place. Tie it to the Army and Navy where it belongs.
Obama’s just trying to help out his friends.
Yes, I recall them pretty much chanting that during the 90’s with that round of idiocy.
They had one officer literally stating “the A-10 is designed to take hits, the F-16 is designed to AVOID them!”
As if that changes the reality of low level flying in flak infested air in the CAS flight bounds.
Mentioned was made of the A-10 being “Ugly” as well.
It boils down to that, every time.
The leadership wants only to field “pretty planes”.
You mean... a Ford pickup?
A-10 pilots call F-16s in a CAS role “lawn darts” for this exact reason. While the F-16 is a beautiful dogfighter, it can’t take a tenth of the punches an A-10 can.
You couldn’t use the F-35 on much of a strafing run since it only carries 180 bullets. I don’t know why they even put a gun in the thing.
Give them to the Army. We’ll take them.
It’s long past time to scrap the 1948 Key West Agreement (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_West_Agreement) which was in aid of the newly formed US Air Force. Navy was allowed to keep their air arm while the Army surrended all but recon and medical aircraft. There have been some modifications to the agreement, but the world and technology have changed dramatically since 1948.
All tactical combat air support assets and personnel needed to be released to direct and immediate control of ground troop commanders. The fast pace of asymetric warfare cannot not tolerate the lag time inherent in CAS requests. The Op-forces we are facing now do not have massive base camps or formations of the USSR.
There needs to be a critical re-thinking of command and control of combined arms in terms of the conflicts we now face.
Yes, but it won’t happen.
The insular and heavily politicized leadership will never admit there is s problem unless forced to.
Thanks for mentioning that... The ammo capacity of the 20mm F35 cannon is puny. Only enough for a few well aimed bursts. It doesn’t begin to compare with the hitting power of the GAU cannon on the Hog, either.
Lets face it: left to themselves air forces like to plan to fight other air forces. CAS is the very last mission that gets any real attention. But when you think about it it’s one of the primary reasons that air forces evolved in the first place!
If they can keep the BUFFs airborne and effective as long as they have, seems the Warthogs outta get their chance.
There is no reason why they can’t still be produced.....what the hell why end the production of a popular and well working weapon!!!!
Simple works. Fancy breaks.
Part of the gay military drawdown...and eventual defeat.
James T Harris is a black conservative talk show host broke this story over his local talk show. The Arizona station he broadcasts over in owned by the Milwaukee Journal and has been doing a remote morning sub for vacationing Charlie Sykes over WTMJ am 620 from 8:30 till 10am as well as his own show.
Yep. Look up two posts.
This is my cannon. There are many like it but this one is mine.....................................
I remember thinking, when I first laid eyes on a picture of the A-10 in 77 even before it was called a Warthog, this is about the most ugly plane Ive ever seen. So I looked into its design and mission. Even in those days of scant information, it quickly became obvious that it was perfectly crafted for its purpose (hence, so ugly its beautiful). Ive been an avid fan ever since.
The A-10 was originally designed, if I recall correctly, to be a killer of Eastern Block tanks in the event of an European ground war. It eventually has become a perfect instrument for a number of combat roles.
Love the beast.
The air force is run by fighter pilots