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STEM Visas Should Be No-Brainer In Immigration Debate
Townhall.com ^ | August 20, 2013 | Eric Telford

Posted on 08/20/2013 5:24:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin; Lazamataz; PJ-Comix

They come here and end up working at Publix

If our schools weren’t run by stupid leftists we could have Americans doing those jobs. We don’t need to import these people.


21 posted on 08/20/2013 12:22:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Drango
Nonsense.

Anyone who’s ever worked in High tech can tell you H1Bs are indentured servants. Econ 101... an increase in the supply of labor, decreases the wage.

H1Bs are decreasing the pay of American grad students.
And decreasing salary and opportunities for experienced Americans in STEM field.

We are not creating enough jobs for our STEM grads and are experiencing unprecedented unemployment among STEM employees yet we NEED to import more STEM people?

Sounds like pimping for CHEAP desperate labor from third world countries to replace Americans.
22 posted on 08/20/2013 1:23:42 PM PDT by khelus
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To: Kaslin
Instead of getting bogged down in negotiations about amnesty and its various forms, conservatives should drive the conversation toward STEM

No, unimportant side issue. The battle is over shamesty and our continued failure to STOP MORE FROM WALKING ON OVER.

23 posted on 08/20/2013 8:34:13 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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While I don't happen to agree that we need more H1B visas because of the way the program is constituted, which, as I said in another post seems primarily designed to create cheap cubicle slaves for large corporations, that doesn't mean we have enough graduates in science, programming, engineering and mathematics.

The CIS study is especially suspect because it simply looks at the number of graduates in these fields without considering that in many cases these are not Americans, and they aren't going to stay in this country after graduation.

The article at American [I use the word advisedly] Prospect includes a finding that the US Economy needs massively more stimulus to recover, a claim which is, in a word, preposterous. Unfortunately, that's pretty typical of the quality of their work.

Speaking as someone who's involved in filling 12-15 positions per year at the last level before hiring, I can tell you frankly that many programmers and IT support people in the market are simply not worth a crap. We typically start out with phone interviews of about 20 people (after culling 40-50 resumes) to fill one position. 6 or 7 usually pass level 1 and the next level gets that down to three candidates, and then I (a consultant) and senior IT engineers/program managers interview the final round. In many cases we pass ON ALL of the candidates, and the process starts all over again; sadly, this doesn't happen because we're all that picky. We've taken a chance on about 50% of the folks we hire in the hope they'll surprise us. They rarely do.

In IT, the skill erosion is about 25% per year. This means that after graduation you effectively have to stay in college as far as continuing education, or, after 4 years you are worth little more to an organization than someone with no training in the field. In cutting-edge science the numbers are even worse. I don't think H1B is the solution to that, but I'm very skeptical of "research" that simply takes the number of graduates per year , compares it to estimates, and then concludes that we have enough "qualified" people.

That's nonsense.

24 posted on 08/20/2013 10:51:19 PM PDT by FredZarguna (They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
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Add: lawyers.

The H1B visa talk would stop very quickly if we claimed that the high wages paid to lawyers are indicative of a shortage and we need to import hundreds of thousands of foreign-born attorneys to lower the cost of legal services.

25 posted on 08/20/2013 10:55:25 PM PDT by FredZarguna (They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
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I am a researcher at a university in the basic sciences, and I can tell you that the career prospects are grim. I don' t advise students to go into the physical sciences anymore. Years ago when technical companies were run by scientists and engineers, it was no problem to get a job outside of academia. Now they are run by MBAs and finance types who often are often technologically illiterate and completely incompetent at finding and hiring the right people. HR departments are less than worthless in that regard.

The first article I posted may have had some specious assumptions, but the others were unambiguous. Legions of STEM graduates are not able to find work in their chosen fields, and I can personally attest to many very smart students who are still struggling and taking jobs that are far below their skill set.

The old Bell Labs use to routinely rotate people into new projects that required them to learn new skills... something Ph. D. physicists are very good at doing. Now it doesn't exist. We have been outsourcing our high value-added technical jobs along with our factories. They knew that academia only went so far, and that science and high-end engineering were apprenticeships... and invested in their people.

So... who benefits when even advanced degreed people are idling? Who gains when millions of people who want work are unemployed or underemployed? Someone is setting the conditions for a massive state welfare system, perhaps?

26 posted on 08/21/2013 7:40:18 AM PDT by PauldArco
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Thanks, Fred.

I’ve posted about “unlimited” lawyer immigration in the past.

In 2012, I wrote that Romney should make that announcement to an Ivy League law school graduating class.

Nothing changes political opinions faster than having “your own ox gored.”

27 posted on 08/21/2013 9:49:46 AM PDT by zeestephen
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