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The NSA: ‘The Abyss from Which There Is No Return’
Canadian Free Press ^ | August 19, 2013 | John W. Whitehead

Posted on 08/20/2013 7:59:10 AM PDT by Cheerio

“The National Security Agency’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A. could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.”—Senator Frank Church (1975)

We now find ourselves operating in a strange paradigm where the government not only views the citizenry as suspects but treats them as suspects, as well. Thus, the news that the National Security Agency (NSA) is routinely operating outside of the law and overstepping its legal authority by carrying out surveillance on American citizens is not really much of a surprise. This is what happens when you give the government broad powers and allow government agencies to routinely sidestep the Constitution.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: bush; nsa; obama
Money quote - And once the government starts operating outside the law, answerable to no one but itself, there’s no way to rein it back in, short of revolution.
1 posted on 08/20/2013 7:59:10 AM PDT by Cheerio
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To: Cheerio

Round up the usual suspects.

No wait, we have the technology, round up everybody!


2 posted on 08/20/2013 8:10:31 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Cheerio

“If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A. could enable him/her to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.”

IF? WTF do you think we have in the White Hut right now?


3 posted on 08/20/2013 8:12:21 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Cheerio

4 posted on 08/20/2013 8:16:34 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Cheerio

In this digital age, we need a permanent “Church commission” with broad powers to smack down the secret squirrels as needed.


5 posted on 08/20/2013 8:18:58 AM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Cheerio

It’s already out of control. Even if laws are passed to eliminate this spying, they’ll just do it anyway.


6 posted on 08/20/2013 8:36:55 AM PDT by I want the USA back (We live in a fascist dictatorship, thanks to half the public having its head up its a$$.)
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To: I want the USA back

Yep. The genie is out of the bottle.


7 posted on 08/20/2013 8:39:59 AM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Cheerio

That could be the reason for the Obama free cell phones.


8 posted on 08/20/2013 8:48:47 AM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: Cheerio

The government does not treat us like suspects.

Suspects have rights.


9 posted on 08/20/2013 8:53:59 AM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: I want the USA back
"It’s already out of control. Even if laws are passed to eliminate this spying, they’ll just do it anyway."

Correct. To the current leadership, laws are just words on paper. This is all about unchecked power. Those with more and bigger guns will determine what is right and wrong and who will be held accountable.

10 posted on 08/20/2013 8:56:23 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Cheerio

What do they mean “if a dictator ever takes over” What do they think we have now?


11 posted on 08/20/2013 8:57:04 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sparticus

Can anyone produce hard evidence of any US person having had their personal communications intercepted? Time up/time down, frequency, type of equipment used, names, addresses, transcripts of conversations? I’m from Missouri on this one. As a retired NSA Officer, I’d like to see some proof. Having spent decades on the tip of the spear, overseas, I was reasonably familiar with the process.


12 posted on 08/20/2013 8:57:48 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Sparticus

We do. It is caused OVERSIGHT by the LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIARY. They just never meet. They just turn a blind eye to tyranny. They have gone dark.


13 posted on 08/20/2013 9:08:16 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Ax

Ax, How long ago did you retire? Thank you for serving your country. Words from people like you do help calm people down a bit.

Technology is a wonderful thing. But in the case of Privacy it is working strongly against it. It’s not just the NSA, companies like Google are tracking us in everything we do on the Internet.

A smartphone has a GPS, Microphone, Camera, etc. that can be used against us.

We need much stronger and effective privacy laws.

I can check my credit score at any time. We should be able to examine the information that the Government and companies are holding on us and have it deleted. (Unless someone is really a criminal suspect).

Don’t think this will happen, way to much money in knowing everything about us and the Government wants the power.


14 posted on 08/20/2013 9:18:19 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: PATRIOT1876

There is a way to fight back—turn off the cell phones—communicate in new ways. Develope systems that can not be tracked. That or Swamp the System! They can’t arrest everyone.


15 posted on 08/20/2013 9:20:59 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Cheerio

That is EXACTLY where we find ourselves today!

This is NO LONGER a government deriving its powers from the people but a government which decides everyday to expand their powers without any constitutional worries.

Once a government reaches this level of unilateral control over itself, no election/elections can possibly change enough of it to restore it to its constitutional limits. At levels much deeper than elected officials, the core of government is now self sustaining and under self control.


16 posted on 08/20/2013 9:30:53 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Ax

At this point we do NOT need anyone else to PROVE NSA interceptions as they have already, and reluctantly admitted they have done it.

Their admission also PROVES Clapper committed perjury before Congress and should be behind bars but as I see it right now almost every Federal position, elected or not, has a permanent “Stay Out Of Jail” card.

We now have our own KGB (DHS) along with the FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA, FDA, EPA... who have the ability to slap down any citizen who dares question Fearless Reader or any government official.


17 posted on 08/20/2013 9:37:54 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Ax
Can anyone produce hard evidence of any US person having had their personal communications intercepted? Time up/time down, frequency, type of equipment used, names, addresses, transcripts of conversations? I’m from Missouri on this one. As a retired NSA Officer...

Slick question, as the NSA makes it a crime for an ISP to even acknowledge a request was made. FISA bars companies from even acknowledging they have received such requests.

18 posted on 08/20/2013 9:53:25 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: vette6387; Georgia Girl 2

The quote is from 1975.


19 posted on 08/20/2013 9:59:16 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

“The quote is from 1975.”

Does that matter? It’s still relevant to our situation today isn’t it?


20 posted on 08/20/2013 10:08:16 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Yeah. That’s my point. In 1975 we did not have a dictator in the white house. The person quoted was speculating about what could happen if one day a would-be dictator ever gained control. Well, now we know.


21 posted on 08/20/2013 10:15:29 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: desertfreedom765

I packed it in in 1997. Wish we’d kept going for a few more years. Late wife and I were being overtaken by technology; some of the people we got sent for help were our kids’ ages. Would’ve loved to have been back in the saddle for post-9/11 operations. Our daughter is a legacy. She deployed to Afghanistan three times. It was my pleasure serving, both in the military and a civilian.


22 posted on 08/20/2013 10:24:18 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Wurlitzer

Clapper lied on live TV, in front of a committee. You’re correct. He should be wearing an orange jumpsuit.


23 posted on 08/20/2013 10:26:48 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Flick Lives

Sorry you read that as a “slick question.” It wasn’t my intention to be disingenuous. I would just like to see proof positive of US Persons being targeted.


24 posted on 08/20/2013 10:29:52 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Ax

“I would just like to see proof positive of US Persons being targeted.”

Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that no one has been targeted — yet. The infrastructure for abuse is already there, and probably has been for longer that we know. Given the immoral socialist politicians nowadays, and the social parasites that elect them, shouldn’t we be worried about the emerging police state? We are both old enough to remember a very different America. Times are changing, and not for better.


25 posted on 08/20/2013 2:54:30 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

I don’t think there is any question that the technology exists to do that. With the billions of phone and data messages passed every day, there would need to be a program which could discriminate between ordinary cellphone calls and emails and desired messages. They would also need hundreds of thousands of transcribers. I think that we would have higher priorities.


26 posted on 08/20/2013 4:34:39 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Ax

I would think that all such programs have been written and implemented and any needed transcripts would be automated, as well. The technology can substitute for human staff and AI algorithms enable a Matrix like government and control.


27 posted on 08/21/2013 7:19:47 AM PDT by Truth29
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