Skip to comments.The NSA: ‘The Abyss from Which There Is No Return’
Posted on 08/20/2013 7:59:10 AM PDT by Cheerio
The National Security Agencys capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A. could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.Senator Frank Church (1975)
We now find ourselves operating in a strange paradigm where the government not only views the citizenry as suspects but treats them as suspects, as well. Thus, the news that the National Security Agency (NSA) is routinely operating outside of the law and overstepping its legal authority by carrying out surveillance on American citizens is not really much of a surprise. This is what happens when you give the government broad powers and allow government agencies to routinely sidestep the Constitution.
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Round up the usual suspects.
No wait, we have the technology, round up everybody!
“If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A. could enable him/her to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.
IF? WTF do you think we have in the White Hut right now?
In this digital age, we need a permanent “Church commission” with broad powers to smack down the secret squirrels as needed.
It’s already out of control. Even if laws are passed to eliminate this spying, they’ll just do it anyway.
Yep. The genie is out of the bottle.
That could be the reason for the Obama free cell phones.
The government does not treat us like suspects.
Suspects have rights.
Correct. To the current leadership, laws are just words on paper. This is all about unchecked power. Those with more and bigger guns will determine what is right and wrong and who will be held accountable.
What do they mean “if a dictator ever takes over” What do they think we have now?
Can anyone produce hard evidence of any US person having had their personal communications intercepted? Time up/time down, frequency, type of equipment used, names, addresses, transcripts of conversations? I’m from Missouri on this one. As a retired NSA Officer, I’d like to see some proof. Having spent decades on the tip of the spear, overseas, I was reasonably familiar with the process.
We do. It is caused OVERSIGHT by the LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIARY. They just never meet. They just turn a blind eye to tyranny. They have gone dark.
Ax, How long ago did you retire? Thank you for serving your country. Words from people like you do help calm people down a bit.
Technology is a wonderful thing. But in the case of Privacy it is working strongly against it. It’s not just the NSA, companies like Google are tracking us in everything we do on the Internet.
A smartphone has a GPS, Microphone, Camera, etc. that can be used against us.
We need much stronger and effective privacy laws.
I can check my credit score at any time. We should be able to examine the information that the Government and companies are holding on us and have it deleted. (Unless someone is really a criminal suspect).
Don’t think this will happen, way to much money in knowing everything about us and the Government wants the power.
There is a way to fight back—turn off the cell phones—communicate in new ways. Develope systems that can not be tracked. That or Swamp the System! They can’t arrest everyone.
That is EXACTLY where we find ourselves today!
This is NO LONGER a government deriving its powers from the people but a government which decides everyday to expand their powers without any constitutional worries.
Once a government reaches this level of unilateral control over itself, no election/elections can possibly change enough of it to restore it to its constitutional limits. At levels much deeper than elected officials, the core of government is now self sustaining and under self control.
At this point we do NOT need anyone else to PROVE NSA interceptions as they have already, and reluctantly admitted they have done it.
Their admission also PROVES Clapper committed perjury before Congress and should be behind bars but as I see it right now almost every Federal position, elected or not, has a permanent “Stay Out Of Jail” card.
We now have our own KGB (DHS) along with the FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA, FDA, EPA... who have the ability to slap down any citizen who dares question Fearless Reader or any government official.
Slick question, as the NSA makes it a crime for an ISP to even acknowledge a request was made. FISA bars companies from even acknowledging they have received such requests.
The quote is from 1975.
“The quote is from 1975.”
Does that matter? It’s still relevant to our situation today isn’t it?
Yeah. That’s my point. In 1975 we did not have a dictator in the white house. The person quoted was speculating about what could happen if one day a would-be dictator ever gained control. Well, now we know.
I packed it in in 1997. Wish we’d kept going for a few more years. Late wife and I were being overtaken by technology; some of the people we got sent for help were our kids’ ages. Would’ve loved to have been back in the saddle for post-9/11 operations. Our daughter is a legacy. She deployed to Afghanistan three times. It was my pleasure serving, both in the military and a civilian.
Clapper lied on live TV, in front of a committee. You’re correct. He should be wearing an orange jumpsuit.
Sorry you read that as a “slick question.” It wasn’t my intention to be disingenuous. I would just like to see proof positive of US Persons being targeted.
“I would just like to see proof positive of US Persons being targeted.”
Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that no one has been targeted — yet. The infrastructure for abuse is already there, and probably has been for longer that we know. Given the immoral socialist politicians nowadays, and the social parasites that elect them, shouldn’t we be worried about the emerging police state? We are both old enough to remember a very different America. Times are changing, and not for better.
I don’t think there is any question that the technology exists to do that. With the billions of phone and data messages passed every day, there would need to be a program which could discriminate between ordinary cellphone calls and emails and desired messages. They would also need hundreds of thousands of transcribers. I think that we would have higher priorities.
I would think that all such programs have been written and implemented and any needed transcripts would be automated, as well. The technology can substitute for human staff and AI algorithms enable a Matrix like government and control.