Skip to comments.No, Ted Cruz ‘birthers’ are not the same as Obama birthers (dispute about law not facts?)
Posted on 08/20/2013 9:18:54 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
Questions about Cruzs eligibility have everything to do with interpretation of the law; the questions about Obamas eligibility had everything to do with a dispute over the underlying facts more specifically, conspiracy theories about whether the president was actually born in the United States, as he claimed, and whether he somehow forged a birth certificate that said he was born in Hawaii.
Obama was also born to a mother who was a U.S. citizen, meaning if he was in fact born outside the United States, the situations might be parallel. But birthers werent making a legal argument about Obama; they were arguing the facts about where he was born and accusing him of perpetrating a massive fraud.
In Cruzs case, nobody is disputing the underlying facts of the case that Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and a mother who was a United States citizen. As we wrote back in March, that makes him a U.S. citizen himself, but its not 100 percent clear that that is the same thing as a natural born citizen the requirement for becoming president.
Most scholars think its the same thing, and the Congressional Research Service said in 2011 that someone like Cruz most likely qualifies to run for president. But to this point, there is no final word from the courts, because while foreign-born candidates have run including George Romney and John McCain none of them has actually won and had his eligibility challenged.
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The bogus 2011 CRS report claiming that mere biological connection to a US citizen at birth no matter where the birth took place qualifies the baby for NBC status is cited, a report that would support Barry's eligibility even if it were discovered that he was born in Kenya.
Ping to WaPo article claiming that “birthers” never disputed Barry’s legal eligibility under the definition of NBC (article missed Donofrio’s challenges over UK subject dad), but only claimed a birth location conspiracy.
Erroneous 2011 CRS report cited in the article.
The 2011 CRS article cited the Marguet-Pillado case dicta. See my FR article:
Rats applying the double standard now that Cruz is becoming a serious threat to their rule in 2016.
No amount of contortions and rationalizations can hide the fact that ‘progressives’ and especially progressive journalists are flaming hypocrites.
The Double-Standard is written in stone.
Complain all we like, won`t change that fact.
obama/soetoro`s father was a foreigner , he is not, never will be natural born.
Cruz is closer to natural born than obama/soetoro ever will be,
“But birthers werent making a legal argument about Obama; they were arguing the facts about where he was born and accusing him of perpetrating a massive fraud.”
In addition to the Donofrio cases, every Orly Taitz case and all of Mario Apuzzo’s cases...actually just about every “birther” case has made “a legal argument” regarding Barry’s claimed (apparent) UK subject dad.
And neither will the same obscure the fact that Ted Cruz is NOT “natutral born citizen”.
Cruz needs to step up.
But birthers werent making a legal argument about Obama; they were arguing the facts about where he was born and accusing him of perpetrating a massive fraud.
Bald-faced liberal lie. And they know they can get away with it.
How many SS #s does Cruz have? Can we see his college records? How many aliases?
I'm not about to change my mind where Cruz is concerned.
The fact it’s coming from the Washington Post means it’s full of crap. THE FOREIGNER hired attorneys to fight the release of of his back ground information from the get go because he knew it was totally fraudulent. After three years he released what was determined by every expert that examined it to be a completely counterfeit birth certificate. He won’t release his college info because it shows he was a foreign student. The socialist democrats will pay a huge price come 2014 and 2016 for taking a dump on the american people and our laws for this eligibility fraud. That has Zero to do with Cruz.
Once again, the press malfeasance is inexcusable. They post a picture of Obama’s *Certificate of Live Birth*, and caption it as “Obama’s birth certificate.”
1. If that is his actual birth certificate, and it was released prior to the election (with much arm twisting, unlike McCain), why was there so much hoopla around the release of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE on April 27, 2011?
2. That document is titled a “Certificate of Live Birth.” Anyone who has had a baby knows that a COLB and birth certificate are two different things. When we had our kids, they handed us the COLBs on the spot - no questions asked about citizenship, identity, or anything. A COLB is used to prove a kid *was born* for insurance purposes and whatnot. You can have a baby ANYWHERE, show up at a hospital within a few days, and they will issue you a certificate. The birth certificate for my children, on the other hand, had to be *applied for*. Big difference.
Lying liars can let go of the lies they once told. Why not show the document Obama released on April 27, 2011? Because the press can’t stomach the fact that they LIED about the fact that he had released his birth certificate BEFORE that. If they now held up the actual birth certificate AS the birth certificate, they would have to admit that birthers were telling the truth up to that point: namely, that Obama HADN’T released his birth certificate until 2011.
“somehow forged a birth certificate.”
Well, I hate to say it, but the on-line COLB Obama had posted at the White House web site is an out-and-out forgery. He didn’t even bother to arrange a well-done forgery, although he had several years to do it after the controversy began.
This WaPo writer, like all the rest of them, never ever deigns to confront those facts. All he can do in response to the forgery—which is obvious to the dullest eye that bothers to look—is to scream the usual personal insult: “Birther! Birther! Birther!”
Why is no one pushing this?? I believe Obama is not qualified....but why isn’t anyone proving this once and for all?
And like with so much of our world, our Republic's Constitution is target rich, but defender poor.
Year by year, it appears that we'll have to go all the way to the bottom before we understand what we have been warned to stay away from.
Let's hope we don't have to lose it all to finally understand the value of what we lost.
Soetoro has a pdf file of... something.
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