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GOP candidates need a better Republican Party
World Net Daily ^ | Augsut 20, 2013 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 08/20/2013 7:10:12 PM PDT by Moseley

Does the Republican Party need better candidates? Or do Republican candidates need a better party? Even now the GOP is choosing candidates for the 2014 election, especially for the U.S. Senate. Primary hopefuls are jostling for position. And the dominant questions are: “Will tea-party primary challengers cost the GOP elections?” and “Who can actually win against the Democrat?”

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But as the GOP recruits and trains better candidates, will anyone train Republican insiders how to run better campaigns for GOP candidates? Do we have a worse, more urgent problem with the Republican establishment and consultant class than with the next crop of candidates?

Democrats defend their candidates aggressively. The same quality of candidate will get better support from the Democratic Party than a similar Republican candidate will get from the GOP.

It’s the Stockholm Syndrome. Republicans come to psychologically identify with the liberal bullies. When a Republican comes under attack, other Republicans hope to appease the media by denouncing their colleagues. It’s like the joke about two men running from a bear. The first says you can’t outrun that bear. The second answers I don’t have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you. Journalists attacking the other guy are ignoring me.

Consider Richard Mourdock who ran for U.S. Senate in 2012. Mourdock’s one gaffe would have gone unnoticed except for the scandal about Todd Akin. But Republican leaders jumped in the feeding frenzy, as always.

Can readers find fault with Richard Mourdock as a candidate beside that one gaffe? In 2010, Richard Mourdock won 62.5 percent of the vote statewide in re-election for Indiana treasurer. Mourdock’s 2010 vote grew from 52 percent in 2006.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado; US: Indiana
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Richard Mourdock’s qualifications and credentials are impressive: commissioner of Vanderburgh County from 1995-2002. Extensive experience campaigning statewide for Congress and secretary of state.

Mourdock is no snake-handler. He holds a Master’s degree in Geology. He worked as secretary and investment manager for the Indiana Board for Depositories, as an executive of Koester Companies from 1984-2000, a senior geologist for the Standard Oil Company, 1979-1984, and a field geologist for the AMAX Coal Company, 1975-1979. He is smart, well-educated and experienced in the sciences, business and the real world.

1 posted on 08/20/2013 7:10:12 PM PDT by Moseley
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To: Moseley
To read the whole article, read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/gop-candidates-need-a-better-republican-party/#SyfhjuADZocWcQbu.99
2 posted on 08/20/2013 7:11:23 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley

America, itself, needs of a better Republican Party.


3 posted on 08/20/2013 7:46:59 PM PDT by WesternPacific (The herded sheep have finally arrived at the slaughter house.)
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To: Moseley

Bump.

I enthusiastically agree.

Starting with bringing back American jobs!


4 posted on 08/20/2013 7:48:07 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Moseley

The country needs no parties. The party system has been the bane of the U.S. Constitution. The Founding Fathers were able to write and the people ratify the Constitution all as unaffiliated. There was no party during the first two Presidential elections.

People need to register as unaffiliated and unite under a Constitutional banner.


5 posted on 08/20/2013 8:51:03 PM PDT by Sherman Hale
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To: Sherman Hale

AMEN.


6 posted on 08/20/2013 8:55:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: Sherman Hale

“I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.”

— President George Washington, Farewell Address


7 posted on 08/20/2013 8:59:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: Moseley; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; BillyBoy
RE :”Can readers find fault with Richard Mourdock as a candidate beside that one gaffe? In 2010, Richard Mourdock won 62.5 percent of the vote statewide in re-election for Indiana treasurer. Mourdock’s 2010 vote grew from 52 percent in 2006.”

His timing couldn't have been any worse and that is what did him in.

If Obama hadn't lured the GOP fools into his birth control trap, and Rush and Akin hadn't had poured even more gas on the ‘war on wimmin’ fire at Dems delight(Dems 2012 theme) , Mourdock’s comments would have been soon forgotten.

But by the time he made that mistake (wimmin theme) the house was on fire and the firemen were breaking everything that gave off any smoke and that was him

8 posted on 08/20/2013 9:23:18 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs
His timing couldn't have been any worse and that is what did him in.

Of course. I agree with all of that...

... except that competent campaigns and parties help SHAPE those perceptions. They are not just passive victims of the political mood, like the weather.

The feeding frenzy over Akin, Sandra Fluke, and then Mourdock in the middle of the froth are all issues that campaign campaign leaders and parties should be shaping, framing, and influencing all along the way.
9 posted on 08/20/2013 9:50:31 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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RE :” except that competent campaigns and parties help SHAPE those perceptions. They are not just passive victims of the political mood, like the weather.
The feeding frenzy over Akin, Sandra Fluke, and then Mourdock in the middle of the froth are all issues that campaign campaign leaders and parties should be shaping, framing, and influencing all along the way”

You couldn't shape some of those quotes to make them sound reasonable. A much better outcome would have taken place against Obama if the GOP played and fought together as a team like Dems did,. But they had no team leader, that allowed those like Rush to come in and make things worse.

Besides the birth control/rape fiasco last year on the other side Romney and Ryan's magic plan was to wow them with 'economic magic jobs' sweet talk.
We will Cut a bunch of taxes, get rid of a bunch of regulations, drill a few wells, build a few pipelines and all will be healed. And we will cut the deficit at the same time but we will let next years congress figure out how to do that, dont worry about that now’

Dems message :”See I told you that those rich guys just want to pad their own pockets with more money like they did in 2000s”

Romney's unintended response :”47% of Americans will never vote for us anyway so we dont have to worry about them”

Maybe clueless Romney SHOULD have been worried about voters,

10 posted on 08/21/2013 4:56:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Moseley
I'm sorry, but Mourdock was a hideously awful candidate.

I listened to the debate in which he shot himself (and almost the candidate for Governor) in the foot. He was terrible; just terrible. He was condescendingly arrogant and uninformed and ALSO made the idiotic comment about rape.

Conservative or not, if a candidate knows there will be only one broadcast debate, he really ought to prepare for it.

11 posted on 08/21/2013 6:17:37 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: sickoflibs
A much better outcome would have taken place against Obama if the GOP played and fought together as a team like Dems did

Not going to happen while half the GOPe wants the other side to like them more than they want to win; or are outright saboteurs to begin with

12 posted on 08/21/2013 6:24:04 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
RE :”Not going to happen while half the GOPe wants the other side to like them more than they want to win; or are outright saboteurs to begin with”

They were not the only ones last year to do that. plenty of blame to go around.

13 posted on 08/21/2013 6:28:48 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
I'm sorry, but Mourdock was a hideously awful candidate.

In all sincerity and with good will in asking, I would like to challenge you to explain HOW he was a bad candidate, other than that one gaffe.

Remember: He won re-election in Indiana with 62.5% of the vote in 2010 for Treasurer, an increase in his vote from 52% in 2006.

Treasurer requires some trust and competence.

So I think you are being influenced by all the publicity, not by the facts.

You say he did not put in a good debate performance. Well, he won 62.5% of the vote as Treasurer -- Statewide. I don't know, maybe you are right. But I also consider that some States prefer a low-key type of candidate. That might be the Indiana style.
14 posted on 08/21/2013 8:27:19 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: sickoflibs
You couldn't shape some of those quotes to make them sound reasonable.

OH, YES YOU CAN! I KNOW I COULD. If I -- with relatively limited experience -- could do it in my sleep, I know that supposed GOP campaign experts could do it... if they tried.

A much better outcome would have taken place against Obama if the GOP played and fought together as a team like Dems did,.

Totally agree. In fact that is the primary process (as opposed to message) that the Republicans would use if they were as competent (in campaigning) as the Democrats (Democrats are flaming loons when it comes to policy, of course).

Democrats would have (often do) BLOCK the issue from ever getting started or ever taking off. If Republicans knew what they were doing, they would have nipped those issues in the bud. So even if the comments themselves could not be improved upon (I disagree), effective, coordinated TEAM WORK by the Party would have squelched the entire topic and kept the topic from growing big.

Those faux scandals boil over in part because the GOP AGREES with the attackers. When you have both parties agreeing, and the candidate's own party condemning him, it turns a moderate or small story into a huge feeding frenzy.

On the actual content, Democrats would (often do) re-cast and re-frame the content very powerfully and effectively. PAY ATTENTION to what the Democrats do.

If Richard Mourdock or Todd Akin had been Democrats whom the Democrat party wanted to protect, you would have been dominated with a totally different "spin" on what they said.

You would not even know what they said, you would remember only the version of what they said that the Democrat Party wanted you to remember.
15 posted on 08/21/2013 8:35:11 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley

WHAT IS THIS DOING in the middle of the article ????

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16 posted on 08/21/2013 8:36:11 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley
Mourdock has been a competent State Treasurer; he was a hideously awful candidate for the Senate. In running for a relatively minor state office, Mourdock didn't engage in any broadcast debates; never had to appear shoulder to shoulder with his opponent. In running for the Senate, Mourdock was playing in the big leagues, a call up for which he clearly wasn't prepared.
17 posted on 08/21/2013 8:38:09 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: sickoflibs
Besides the birth control/rape fiasco last year

WHAT birth control fiasco? This is my whole point.

WHEN did any Republican nominee say boo about birth control?

When the news media mediator in a debate asked Mitt Romney about birth control, Romney was dumb-founded that anyone was even interested in the topic and expressed Romney's view that it was an overwhelmingly DUMB question.

Recounting from memory, I recall Romney as saying (a) Why is anyone asking about birth control, and (b) BIRTH CONTROL IS DOING JUST FINE IN AMERICA, thank you very much... and Romney REFUSED to talk any further about birth control.

AND YET.... you come away with the false impression that anyone on the GOP side was talking about birth control, simply because the Democrats wanted to give that impression, and the Republicans are too incompetent in campaigns to respond.
18 posted on 08/21/2013 8:40:27 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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RE :”You couldn’t shape some of those quotes to make them sound reasonable.
....
OH, YES YOU CAN! I KNOW I COULD. “

The Akin one was poison. There was no way to defend it to anyone who wasnt part of that cult, and they would accept anything.

and he had those votes anyway.

19 posted on 08/21/2013 10:21:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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” Maybe clueless Romney SHOULD have been worried about voters, “

Romney had enough ammo to decimate Obama in the debates. He went to sleep, because Romney had no fire in the belly. He wasn’t hungry to win. Don’t run for office if you don’t want to win. Also, don’t run if you suck on 90% of the issues : )


20 posted on 08/21/2013 10:28:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Moseley
RE :’AND YET.... you come away with the false impression that anyone on the GOP side was talking about birth control, simply because the Democrats wanted to give that impression, and the Republicans are too incompetent in campaigns to respond”

Was no false impression, making a HUGE show the GOP house passed some laws intended to remove the birth control mandate from O-care, the most popular give-away in the bill, with no hope of being law.

And they talked and talked about it (birth control) on camera endlessly. Then Rush calls fluke a slut over it, and the ‘right on’ crowd cheers as if this is a huge win against Obama.
It was an insane and suicidal show as if intended to drive voters away, then comes Akin and Murdock with their gaffs,

I was almost as if they were on Obama’s side.

Romney was another disaster , he did his own damage on the 47%.

21 posted on 08/21/2013 10:33:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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RE :”Also, don’t run if you suck on 90% of the issues : )”

I need to find that list I made up.

One went like ‘If you are going to repudiate all your real positions just to win the primary then try to run back the other way in the general election to be left with nothing to say during the debates but grin and act stupid then DONT RUN’

But that was only one of them.

At the time mid October I was critical here of Romney being mum on Bengazi in the debates and man I got some crap for it here. I kept being lectured that Romney had the election 'in the bag' and so he shouldnt take such risks. Well Rush assured them that Romney had already won the election and Rush is ALWAYS RIGHT cos he says so, so they had to believe.

22 posted on 08/21/2013 10:45:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs
The Akin one was poison. There was no way to defend it to anyone who wasnt part of that cult, and they would accept anything.

It would be child's play to defuse Todd Akin's comment. Any campaign consultant or operative who couldn't handle Todd Akin's comment in 30 minutes after being awoken in the middle of the night with no preparation doesn't belong in politics.

The problem is that the GOP establishment WANTED to destroy Todd Akin. They were looking for an opportunity. They didn't want a conservative to win the US Senate seat.

And having created that cannibalistic feeding frenzy, they lost the Indiana seat as well in the tornado.

Winning the US Senate seat for Todd Akin would have been child's play if the GOP cared more about winning elections than about purging conservatives from the Party.

First and foremost, there are so many tactics to avoid one comment from even getting noticed. The Democrats would have crowded the issue out of the headlines and simply buried it with other topics.

But when the Republican party condemns its own nominee, THAT becomes a HUGE news story -- not because of what Akin said, but because of the "MAN BITES DOG" quality of the GOP condemning its own candidate.
23 posted on 08/21/2013 11:06:50 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: sickoflibs
Was no false impression, making a HUGE show the GOP house passed some laws intended to remove the birth control mandate from O-care, the most popular give-away in the bill, with no hope of being law.

Religious liberty has nothing to do with birth control. It is about paying for your own sex life.

It was not and is not popular.

Having birth control paid for by Obama Care is an embarrassing JOKE. You are kidding yourself if you call it popular.

Democrats tried to claim that Republicans were going to ban birth control. That was a total lie. But the Republican Party is too incompetent to respond.
24 posted on 08/21/2013 11:09:51 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: sickoflibs; Moseley; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale

” I need to find that list I made up.

One went like ‘If you are going to repudiate all your real positions just to win the primary then try to run back the other way in the general election to be left with nothing to say during the debates but grin and act stupid then DONT RUN’”

A very GOOD one.

” At the time mid October I was critical here of Romney being mum on Bengazi in the debates and man I got some crap for it here. I kept being lectured that Romney had the election ‘in the bag’ and so he shouldnt take such risks. Well Rush assured them that Romney had already won the election and Rush is ALWAYS RIGHT cos he says so, so they had to believe. “

You also correctly said that Romney had to attack Obama on other key issues, and you got flamed on those too. Being right isn’t always easy : )


25 posted on 08/21/2013 11:15:40 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Moseley; sickoflibs

” The problem is that the GOP establishment WANTED to destroy Todd Akin. They were looking for an opportunity. They didn’t want a conservative to win the US Senate seat.

And having created that cannibalistic feeding frenzy, they lost the Indiana seat as well in the tornado.

Winning the US Senate seat for Todd Akin would have been child’s play if the GOP cared more about winning elections than about purging conservatives from the Party.”

The Rove/Lott Corporate RINOplex # 1 job the past 10 years or more, is to purge conservatives who run for office. Destroy them at all costs. They are winning as of now.


26 posted on 08/21/2013 11:21:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: WesternPacific
I think we need to do away with the two party system, both have screwed Americans long enough. I believe there are good people out there who would run for office, but don't want to get into bed with either party.
27 posted on 08/21/2013 11:37:57 AM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Moseley
RE :”Religious liberty has nothing to do with birth control. It is about paying for your own sex life.
It was not and is not popular.
Having birth control paid for by Obama Care is an embarrassing JOKE. You are kidding yourself if you call it popular.”

Super popular especially since it cost the employer more in insurance if they dont use it. And it cuts down on abortions too.

OK, so some Catholic church associated employers objected to it because the church opposes contraception. So at least that Catholics would appreciate GOP for this even if no-one else did. Right???
But then few days later boom, a bunch of Catholic Bishops slam the same GOP House members for proposing cutting food stamps and medicaid and on illegals.
DUHHH?

So now the GOP fools are left totally standing alone on it, the ones they were ‘protecting’ stab them publicly, and they cant even get it into passed law anyway. Shoot themselves in head for NOTHING.

Besides you are contradicting yourself, you said birth control was never an issue. Now you are arguing that it was a valid issue.

28 posted on 08/21/2013 12:00:43 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Moseley

A lot of webpages, I noticed, have scripts hidden in them that cause extraneous messages to appear when you paste text. It’s important to proofread *and* preview a post because of that, so you can remove them manually. Especially WND.


29 posted on 08/21/2013 12:09:59 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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To: sickoflibs
Super popular especially since it cost the employer more in insurance if they dont use it. And it cuts down on abortions too.

It costs about $9 per month to get "the pill" from Walmart.

No, it is not a popular provision in Obama Care. No one was calling for it. No one cared about $9 per month for birth control. There was and is no problem with birth control.

You can walk down the aisle at the supermarket with birth control on the shelves. You can buy boxes of 36 condoms for about $19. That should be enough for a month.

Since birth control is cheap and easily affordable, adding it to Obama Care does not reduce abortion. Any one who does not use birth control now (previously) is simply irresponsible and will still have just as many abortions.

The problem is that Democrats lie about the topic, as with other topics. And Republicans are too incompetent at campaigning to respond and counter Democrat lies.
,br> Finally, you obviously think having birth control paid for by Obama Care is a good thing.

So you are obviously not a conservative and your perspective on Republican campaigning is not entirely helpful to Republicans.
30 posted on 08/22/2013 12:05:37 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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RE :’<8i>The problem is that Democrats lie about the topic(birth control) , as with other topics. And Republicans are too incompetent at campaigning to respond and counter Democrat lies”

Exactly,
Republicans like Akin who explained that wimmin dont have to worry about getting pregnant if they get raped bevcause nature wont allow it , unless they really wanted the rape, wink, wink.

Or as Rush that explained that wimmin who like the idea of the ‘free’ Birth control are sluts just like Fluke is, as if birth control is only used to avoid pregnacy, or as if Rush has any credibility lecturing on moral issues himself.

Then the cheer leading nutbags who rally around these two's crackpot explainations as if they came from Moses themselves.

Pretty much the suicidal message they sent to wimmin is that socons oppose BOTH birth control AND abortion because they skipped basic biology class as a kids and picked it up from a comic book instead.
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When messaging is this terrible there-is always a possibility that covert Dems infiltrated and are joining in to further Obama’s agenda by supporting this stuff, because that is EXACTLY what they did.,

31 posted on 08/22/2013 4:42:17 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Moseley
RE :”Finally, you obviously think having birth control paid for by Obama Care is a good thing.”

If you were to read every word I posted I said that it was a great trap for Obama to set for those who are clueless and they did like mice running for the cheese in the mouse trap. And they did.
Being a male the benefit does nothing for me personally.

The Akin and Rush and a few other responses went far beyond what Obama probably exacted it to yield in election rewards.

So not only is the BC mandate STILL NOW in place but the rest of O-care is too.

This is what happens when those who shoot their own troops with those dumb statements are taken as heros.

32 posted on 08/22/2013 4:49:24 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs
RE :”Finally, you obviously think having birth control paid for by Obama Care is a good thing.” If you were to read every word I posted I said that it was a great trap for Obama to set for those who are clueless and they did like mice running for the cheese in the mouse trap. And they did.

Health insurance, and all insurance, is about paying for large costs of unexpected injury or accident or unexpected illness.

Insurance is NOT for routine expenses that (a) you KNOW you are going to pay for (not unexpected) and (b) you CHOOSE to pay for.

That is why I say it is not a conservative position. One can afford to pay $9 to $19 per month for their own birth control, even $50 to $100 per month.

And sexis by its very nature a cooperative experience. If a man will not contribute tot he cost of birth control a woman should dump him... not dump the cost on insurance.
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33 posted on 08/22/2013 6:43:02 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: sickoflibs

However, you assume that Obama Care paying for birth control is popular... because it was in the headlines.

This is my point. Even you believe that what is reported or discussed in the news media represents reality.

Simply because it was trumpeted by the liberal news media, you assume that that reflects the reality of what the American people want.

This reflects the utter failure of the Republican Party to know how to handle political issues and debates in the public eye.


34 posted on 08/22/2013 6:45:31 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley
RE :”Health insurance, and all insurance, is about paying for large costs of unexpected injury or accident or unexpected illness.”

That sounds like auto-insurance. Health ‘insurance’ is already nothing like real insurance, real insurance is allowed to charge you based on risk/

Once again with all the terrible crap in Obama-care for the nutbags in the GOP to singularly select this birth control give-away, which is prescribed because it helps regulate wimmins hormones (nothing to do with sex) and it even helps reduce abortion and single wommen motherhood with any luck, was just dumb.

Then to claim that wimmin will naturally reject conception after sex wo birth control ‘if they really want to’, and that if they dont buy that stupidity then they must be a ‘slut’, is a Dems dream.

If you got 100 things you object to in a bill you dont focus on the single one that you are sureto lose, unless you are blind.

35 posted on 08/22/2013 6:52:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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Exactly, Republicans like Akin who explained that wimmin dont have to worry about getting pregnant if they get raped bevcause nature wont allow it , unless they really wanted the rape, wink, wink.

A perfect example, because TODD AKIN NEVER SAID THAT.

You just repeated the Democrat LIE about what Todd Akin said.

That's my whole point: Instead of the Republican Party being competent to handle those controversies, Republican insiders pile on, adding to the feeding frenzy and inflaming the false impression that you just repeated.

Todd Akin said:

o Doctors told him what he was stating. He never said it was his opinion. He never said that it was his idea. He said that is what he had been told by doctors.

[Quite naturally, the failure of both Akin and the GOP to zero in on that, hopefully go find those doctors and trot them out in public is a failure of handling the controversy successfully.]

o Todd Akin said that pregnancy resulting from rape is RARE.

Doctors do confirm this is true. Stress does delay ovulation. If a woman has already ovulated, a rape will be slightly less likely to result in a pregnancy because of the trauma. If a woman has not yet ovulated, the trauma and stress can postpone ovulation, making pregnancy impossible. Remember that pregnancy can occur if insemination occurs about 24-48 hours before OR after ovulation.

Akin did not say that pregnancy from rape is impossible...

Akin correctly said that we cannot make policy about killing a human being around something that is RARE. He is right. That is pure logic and common sense that you don't focus on something that is rare and miss the overall point.

o Todd Akin also noted indirectly that some rapes are REAL (actual rapes "legitimate rape") and some rapes ARE NOT RAPE.

You seem to have a problem with that with your "wink wink" comment.

Have you heard of Tawana Brawley? She just finally started making payments from a lawsuit from when she LIED and claimed she was raped and finally admitted she was LYING.

Have you heard of the Duke LaCrosse players? The prosecutor was disbarred over the false allegations of a rape that never occurred.
36 posted on 08/22/2013 6:59:12 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: sickoflibs
Or as Rush that explained that wimmin who like the idea of the ‘free’ Birth control are sluts just like Fluke is, as if birth control is only used to avoid pregnacy, or as if Rush has any credibility lecturing on moral issues himself.

Once again, Rush Limbaugh NEVER SAID THAT. You repeat a Democrat lie as if it were true.

Rush Limbaugh analyzed Sandra Fluke's claim that Georgetown law students are spending $3,000 per month on birth control.

Since you can buy 36 condoms for about $19, anyone spending $3,000 per month on birth control would mean that a woman was having sex dozens of times a day.

So Sandra Fluke was calling her fellow law students sluts... and that is exactly what Rush Limbaugh said.

So, what do we make of your comment?

1) You know that, but you are lying.

2) You are uninformed and fall for whatever the liberal news media says


37 posted on 08/22/2013 7:05:26 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: sickoflibs
Pretty much the suicidal message they sent to wimmin is that socons oppose BOTH birth control AND abortion because they skipped basic biology class as a kids and picked it up from a comic book instead. The only people who oppose birth control are Catholics who are often NOT conservative but who are actually liberal and vote Democrat. Catholics oppose birth control on religious grounds, not for any lack of knowledge of biology.

NO other social conservatives oppose birth control.

Again your comments are either telling lies of your own or repeating lies by liberals.

So again my point is that the Republican Party is horrible at dealing with political controversies. GOP moderates repeat and spread Democrat attacks on Republicans. That was my thesis.
38 posted on 08/22/2013 7:10:53 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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RE :A perfect example, because TODD AKIN NEVER SAID THAT.
You just repeated the Democrat LIE about what Todd Akin said.”

HA, his exact words were recorded on video

It seems to be, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, it’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down”

The problem with your strategy is you try to convince people that what they actually heard and saw themselves was some sort of hypnotizing illusion created by ‘those bad guys’

Then when no one buys it, who would, its all because someone else didnt ‘fight back’

These are his exact words on camera. all Dems had to do was play the recording, you expect GOP to convince voters to ignore their own lying eyes and ears. Its silly

39 posted on 08/22/2013 7:13:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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RE :”NO other social conservatives oppose birth control”

That is exactly my point, why it was so idiotic to take a stand against it in Obama-care.

Out of 100 bad things in Obama-care you pick the one thing that no-one opposes not even conservatives, except a few Bishops who hate conservatives anyway.

Then you demand we not believe our own eyes and ears.

And on this thread you even started making arguments that you claim were never made. Like birth control is about 'paying for your own sex' you said yesterday. Now you claim Rush never made that argument.

40 posted on 08/22/2013 7:18:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Moseley; Impy; BillyBoy
I will contrast the Akin cult idiocy to a positive example.

The House passed a abortion bill with an exception for those raped as long as they reported it to police, making Dems argue that raped wimmin rarely report their rapes to police, so claiming that its not a real exception.

Now that is how you fight.

A reporter asked Marsha Blackburn about it to put her on the spot and she replies ‘we want to track down who is raping all those wimmin’

Home run

That is the different between fighting to win the issue, and just bombing your own side to help Dems like Akin did.

Anyone can defend her argument honestly unlike yours(Akins) .

41 posted on 08/22/2013 7:33:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Outstanding examples of successful campaign and PR tactics.

That’s the kind of thinking that we need in the GOP, but of course we would have that kind of thinking 1,000 times over across the board, not just in isolation.


42 posted on 08/23/2013 2:32:41 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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That is exactly my point, why it was so idiotic to take a stand against it in Obama-care. Out of 100 bad things in Obama-care you pick the one thing that no-one opposes not even conservatives,

No, that is the problem including among conservatives.

Conservatives condemn 100 bad aspects of Obama Care, the liberals only want to talk about birth control, AND OUR OWN PEOPLE FALL FOR IT. You -- and you are by no means alone, you are in a very large crowd doing the same thing -- ASSUME that because the news media is only talking about birth control in Obama Care, therefore that is the only thing that Republicans are talking about.

Republicans spend years shouting about all the things that are wrong with Obama Care, but it is like the MUTE button is on with the news media censoring what Republicans are saying.

Then the news media decides what THEY want to talk about, and even you assume that that reflects the choices and agenda of the Republicans.

YOU ARE NOT SKEPTICAL ENOUGH of the news media, my friend, no matter who skeptical and disgusted with journalists you might already think you are. It's worse than you think. Don't fall for the games they are using to mess with your head.
43 posted on 08/23/2013 2:36:26 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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HA, his exact words were recorded on video “It seems to be, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, it’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down”

EXACTLY! And Todd Akin did not say what you claimed. Congratulations for BUSTING YOURSELF.

TRUE: Todd Akin said -- correctly -- that pregnancy from rape is RARE. It is. We are talking about a very rare situation.

FALSE: You said that Todd Akin said pregnancy from rape NEVER happens. Akin never said that.

TRUE: Todd Akin claimed that "DOCTORS TELL ME THAT..." This was not Todd Akin's opinion or idea or view. This is what doctors told him.

FALSE: You claimed that it was Todd Akin's opinion.

TRUE: Todd Akin noted that some accusations of rape are FALSE. He is correct. Many reports of rape are untrue. For whatever reason -- just like men lie -- women sometimes lie, too.

FALSE: You implied with your "wink wink" comment some insult by Todd Akin about rape along those lines.


44 posted on 08/23/2013 2:41:30 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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You suggested that Todd Akin was saying some women “want the rape.”

No, someone LIE about a rape that never happened — just as men also lie about all kinds of things. In fact, men lie about sexual conquests that never happened.

No one said anything about anyone wanting a rape.

The issue is that some allegations of rape are true and some are not true.

Ask Tawana Brawley who still owes money from falsely accusing some white men of raping her, and then later admitting she made up the whole story.


45 posted on 08/23/2013 2:45:41 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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OK, lets go through this slowly:

Akin “It seems to be, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, it’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape,the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down”

This is exactly what I said he said that that you denied over and over claiming that the lib media made it up.
Wimmin who get raped cant control conception by their pure emotions anymore than they can consentual sex. That is so stupid.

What a stupid thing for Akin to say in the middle of a birth control debate where Rush is saying that wimmin that support birth control in insurance coverage are sluts.

Are you sure Akin wasnt a covert lib who wants abortion free and legal?
Because that is what he and those who defend him curse us with.

46 posted on 08/24/2013 7:50:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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Wimmin who get raped cant control conception

That comment does not say women can control conception.

47 posted on 08/24/2013 7:59:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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RE:”That comment does not say women can control conception.”

Wimmin’s body having ways of shutting down after sex so they don't conceive means the the above.

48 posted on 08/24/2013 8:09:59 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: GeronL
See #41 for a positive example .
49 posted on 08/24/2013 8:13:30 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

he never said that women can choose that, the trauma and shock can have that effect is what he means. I think that might even be true, to a small degree


50 posted on 08/24/2013 8:25:35 PM PDT by GeronL
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