Skip to comments.Washington Post Hits Ted Cruz With 12 'Birther' Stories In Two Days
Posted on 08/21/2013 8:40:51 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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NBC’s of this country don’t seem to be worth a poop.
Hold it right there, it's not clear at all this is a violation of the Constitution, or that he's ineligible, if you read the evidence and debate it, the evidence falls in the favor of Cruz, not against him.
As I said, if you want to help the totalitarian left in their attempts to take out a great conservative, go right ahead, just don't ask the rest of us to join you.
Wouldn't have made a lick of good - the same people would still call him ineligible due to his father not being a citizen.
That whole plural thing which is born of US citizen parentSSSSSSSS, not just one parent, is the only reason why POTUS is ineligible. You can be born in the Lincoln bedroom of the W.H. and if only one of your parents is a US citizen, sorry, you are not qualified.
done and done..
exactly.. MSM can’t have it both ways.. this is a non-story.
I very much like this man, and I will support him over any other candidate from our side.. the guy is drop dead brilliant and a wonderful spokesperson for our side.
TC for Prez!
But they aren't.......
His mother a U.S citizen under our laws he is a U.S. citizens.
True that, and another thing: what IS clear is that Cruz does not offend the original INTENT of this under any circumstances. The faux purists never ever address that. They can't......
His mothers U.S. citizenship may have been sufficient to qualify him to become a U.S. citizen using the statutory law of the immigration and naturalization act/s,
If Ted Cruz had been born in the US why would immigration and naturalization be involved ???
His mother was over 19, born in Delaware, of US citzen parents, an NBC herself
He would have been a US citizen just by being born here..
What5 he needs to be is an NBC..
Hes not ..
although he was born an American, plus Cuban from his father and canadian from his birth there, he is not NBC..
NBC for overseas births is reserved for the children of US military or diplomats, not private citizens..
Ted’s parents were not in the service sent to canada by our government..
They chose to move to Canada to work in the oil business..temp or not I dont know..
If Ted’s Cuban citizen father had a green card he would have had to return to the US once a year before the year was up..
around 1970 registered aliens couldnt stay away from the US for more than 365 days at a time...
I wonder if he did so..
or if he even had a green card..
I*m still wondering also why Ted’s father waited all those years to become an American citizen..
Nothing was stopping him to do so earlier...
The entire idea behind the "natural born" notation was not to have someone ideologically set against the US Constitution and American ideals as president. That's the ideal they were looking at.
With that as the standard, no democrat would be eligible, and a lot of the GOP........Just look at Biden and Graham, they're both supposedly eligible, but shouldn't be.
Dude, you seem to think you know all the jots and tittles of this provision...but do you have any clue as to why it was included in the first place?????????
I don’t worry so much about the MSM hurting Cruz. I worry about the Rove/Lott RINOplex. They will try to destroy him right out of the gate.
yep, and I think Lott’s sex change operation was a flaming success too!!!!
So far......it doesn't seem to be working....so far.......
That rule is mitigated by timing and by location of the birth.
We have dissected it since 2007 but the mitigator is the point that the birth in the above regulation is one without a “legal” father (unmarried mother giving birth on foreign soil).
In Cruz’s case, the father was in a legal marriage and his father’s nationality, under common and accepted legal interpretaiton, determined Cruz’s citizenship at birth; he is simultaneously Candian by birth-location, Cuban by his father’s nationality and US by his mother’s nationality.
That tri-nationality directly mitigates against his Article 2 NBC eligibility.
Accordingly, this regulation does not touch on the NBC of Article 2, only the consideration of legal benefits of a US citizen. While this clarifies “citizenship” in a modern world of extensive travel, NBC was not changed according to what you cited.
NBC remained “born of 2 US citizens on US soil”, later agreed-to (amended to?) “on foreign soil while the parents were in service to the interests of US”.
CAVEAT (1): I’m on record agreeing to Obama’s citizenship as conferred by his umwed mother and birth on US sooil. What, then, is he hiding in his offical birth record and how was he enabled to attend US colleges after his stint in Indonesia?
CAVEAT (2): I think Cruz has represented me admirably in the US Senate and I will continue to suppiort him in his Senate endeavors.
...and the third front is the Pharisaical right, who does not need MSM urging to create troubles....
All the news that Bezos deems fit to print.
Yep agreed. I can think of almost no one I’d like to be president then Cruz.
if 2016 fails to yield a conservative candidate, then I will either stay home, or if I am really disgusted I may even vote for the D, not because I support D’s in any way, but because I have had it and am utterly disgusted with the Chicken party.
Bwak, bwak, Mitch, bwak, bwak.
I do not believe that Cruz is eligible. I recognize that plenty of conservatives have the opposite view. The fact that there is legitimate debate within the conservative movement on the issue does not bode well for his candidacy, as the media would surely push the issue to split conservatives and distract general election voters. That said, I think he is a great senator and a real asset to the nation. There are plenty of very important ways to serve the country without being the president. One senator can have a big impact (look at how much damage McCain has caused over the years, for one example). So I would be very happy if Cruz stays in his current position for a very long time. Out of 300 million Americans, can we not find an excellent conservative presidential candidate who is unquestionably eligible?
I agree with you. I like Cruz, but he failed here.
And I am surprised that so many conservatives don’t understand that for our side, if there is something in your life that the enemy can make hay with - even if it’s that your wife’s cousin is a pedophile - don’t run, because all the attention is going to go to that.
Which is why I think it was a big mistake for Sarah Palin to run when her daughter was pregnant and unmarried. Imagine the campaign if that girl had been going to college as a math major - no headlines about her, no David Letterman jokes. All the focus on the issues.
” So far......it doesn’t seem to be working....so far....... “
The Rove/Lott Machine won’t go after Cruz unless or until he
says he is in the race.
I’d vote for Stephen Harper over Hillary any day.
No, there is something wrong with us if our “best candidates” have a huge, looming question that overshadows the issues.
Really. What citation "in 4th grade" did they give to support this supposed lesson.
William Xavier, you are my new best friend.
Unlike BHO, IF Sen. Ted Cruz decides to run for the Office of the POTUS, I am quite sure he will obtain a legal opinion from the highest court in the land (according to the Constitution) on the constitutionality of any such candidacy.
And it is my belief that any such ruling will determine that Sen. Ted Cruz is ruled constitutionally eligible to run for POTUS (since it has come up before):
"It is not necessary that a man should be born in this country, to be 'a natural born citizen' ... James Bayard. Bayard's exposition of the Constitution was read and approved by the Great Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Marshall, by the legendary Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, and by the famous Chancellor James Kent, as well as other legal experts of the early United States.
Sen. Ted Cruz was born in Canada with immdiate Canadian citizenship, his fathers Cuban citizenship by jus sanguinnis under the Cuban constitution, and the right to request statutory U.S. citizenship from the U.S. State Department. These are all facts of birth which negate any possibility of being a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen is born with U.S. citizenship and no foreign citizenship at birth or at any point in time after birth.
For Cruz, we would just need residency documents for his mom...
No we dont...
we just need her birth certificate...
she was born in Delaware of US citizen parents...
she was an American working in Canada...
its Ted’s father who was the foreigner at the time of his birth..
about Obama’s Mom..
that 19+ thingy for the mother to pass on US citizenship would only apply if he was born overseas..
since Obama was born on US soil (supposedly Hawaii) he is a US citzn in his own right...
not an NBC but still an American at bith..
The genie is out of the bottle about NBC requirements..
and hes not going back..
Øbozo and the dhimmis set the “standard” - now if they can still breathe they’re eligible.
By law passed by Congress, and Congress has the constitutional authority to decide these things under Art I, Sect 8, Ted Cruz is a citizen at birth.
The use of the term “natural born citizen” at the time of the Constitution included those born overseas to US citizens.
Courtesy ping due to my link to your previous post.
Wow, think of the possibilities.
So then if Outer Mongolia, New Guinea or Iran give citizenship to American citizens at birth, we would have no eligible candidates?
I don't think you've hit upon a dis-qualifier.
Nor do I think being born on foreign soil is a dis-qualifier as it has been well documented here that the founders thought that being born on foreign soil wan't a dis-qualifier.
The Washington Post cares about whose ox is being gored... one standard for their favorites - one for the rest of us.
Think of it as the policy that brought down an industry...
BUT if Obama can be President, so could Putin....................... Yeah, now you’re talking! At least we’ll get a LEADER!
If you want to help the Compost destroy a great candidate, go ahead, just don't ask the rest of us to follow......
Obama’s father was not a citizen of Kenya when he was born or when Obama was born? What country then?
TEd Cruz’s father was a Cuban citizen when he was born in Canada or when Ted Cruz was born in Canada?
BUMP to your post.......
You wilfully don’t get it. It will be made to be huge by the enemy. And the one who destroys is not I, for pointing out flaws, it’s you for supporting a flawed candidate.
What you have written is nonsense, and argued like a dem. How many people who could be candidates are born in those remote regions- and how many millions nbcs are born here -
Honest decent person, good looking, confident, beautiful wife, beautiful children, intelligent, hard working and successful. It has been my experience that some people just absolutely hate people like that with a passion. I think that is the reason for most of the hatred of Sarah Palin as well.
Ted Cruz is a citizen at birth.
I dont think anyone in these threads have refuted that fact...
but Ted is NOT an NBC
as FReepers said about Obama “He could have been born in the Lincoln bedrtoom, he would still not be NBC”
Bercause his father was not an American when he was born..
We have the same situation with both men
Obama born overseas, American mother, foreign father..
Ted Cruz born overseas American mother foreign father..
If we say Obama was born in Hawaii on US soil there he is more eligible than Ted Cruz..
Obama born on US soil American mother foreign father
Ted Cruz born overseas American mother foreign father
but then there is that 19+ thingy
Obama born overseas underage American mother foreign father
Ted Cruz born overseas age OK American mother foreign father
some FReeper tried to interject the marital status OK let’s do that
Obama born overseas unmarried underaged American mother no father recognized thus totally American
Ted Cruz born overseas married age OK American mother foreign father passing on his nationality also due to legal marriage to mother
Obama born on US soil unmarried age no important American mother no father recognized thus totally American and in his own right
Ted Cruz born overseas married age OK American mother foreign father passing on his nationality also due to legal marriage to mother
1. Either we continue to insist on NBC and thus Ted Cruz is disqualifed...
2. or we make room for Ted Cruz thus making Obama a legitimate POTUS
3. If we open that door then any illegal alien anchor baby who just happens to be born here on US soil to illegal aliens with no under the jurisdiction of or loyalty or love for our country can be POTUS
and THAT dear FReepers is something I will not accept..
Right now any illegal alien has more eligibility to be your president than Ted Cruz who was born of an NBC mother if thats what you want..
PING to Liz
I am concerned that the entire media is attacking Ted Cruz. He is an exceptional conservative leader, and now he is distracted by these attacks.
I’m sure that you agree he is qualified to be Senator, or a Governor, or a Supreme Court justice. He was a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School, a clerk for conservative chief justice, William Rehnquist, and a solicitor general of the state of Texas.
The media is getting us in a feeding frenzy tearing down a great conservative leader who hasn’t even said he’s running for the presidency, and in any case, it’s years away with an intervening 2010 election.
He is one of the few telling us not to blink over defunding ObamaCare.
Why do they fear him?
Because Rafael Edward Cruz is Hispanic and could prove them wrong about Hispanics rejecting conservatives.
Because he is Christian and could unite religious conservatives again in that great voting bloc that propelled Ronald Reagan into the White House with resounding victories.
It is their intent to have us rip apart a great conservative leader long before any presidential campaign. Let’s not join in.
For you to aid them in their quest to take out one of our best candidates is truly Pharisaical and silly beyond words. As you can see by the majority of posts, we're not buying your, or their, efforts.......
See post #93
I think it’s because he’s Hispanic and could lead Hispanics into the conservative camp.
I think it’s because he’s Christian and could lead religious conservatives to again be that strong voting bloc that gave overwhelming victories to Ronald Reagan.
I'm concerned that people at FreeRepublic are attacking Ted Cruz.
See my #18 for an errata
Mark Levin commented last night on Hannity that Cruz is qualified. That's good enough for me.
Ted Cruz will be a credit to America whereever he ends up..
Im just sorry he wasnt born on US soil ..
The presidence for a POTUS with foreign born father has been done wirth Obama..
the Democrats could not say anything about Ted;s Dad..
but they will have a field day with his place of birth..
Look what happened with McCain..
His parents were both NBC American citizens and in Panama because his father was in the military sent there by our government..
and STILL the Democrats (led by Obama) insisted on running it through the Senate for a decision on eligibility..
Ted’s parents were not in Canada with the US military they were just private foreign citizens..
but if BOTH parents had been NBC and not just Ted’s mother there might have been an argument..
its sad but there it is...
and I shudder if there is a change to the Constitution..
an illegal alien could be president
or a member of the Moslem brotherhood..
how would you like a President Morsi ???
hes looking for a job with good pay and bennies ...
Ted Cruz was BORN a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, which is all that is required to be a natural born citizen and eligible to be President.
Ted Cruz is Constitutionally eligible to be President - according to the top authorities of the early United States who knew exactly what the Founding Fathers meant by "natural born citizen."
"It is not necessary that a man should be born in this country, to be 'a natural born citizen.' It is only requisite that he should be a citizen by birth, and that is the case with all the children of citizens who have ever resided in this country, though born in a foreign country."
- James Bayard, A Brief Exposition of the Constitution of the United States (1833)
This was part of Bayard's discussion of qualifications to be President and Presidential eligibility.
Bayard's exposition of the Constitution was read and approved by the Great Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Marshall, by the legendary Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, and by the famous Chancellor James Kent, as well as other legal experts of the early United States.
Aside from that, Bayard should darn well have known what he was talking about. Not only was his father a US Senator and US Represenative, his grandfather (who was retired and lived not terribly far away when James was growing up) was Richard Bassett.
Bassett held the rank of United States Senator #1 in our First Congress. He was also a Revolutionary War veteran and one of the 39 Constitutional Convention Delegates who Signed the Constitution.
Oh. And not one single person ever said that James Bayard was wrong about his understanding of what "natural born citizen" meant.