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Remember Ruby Ridge
Cato Institute ^ | Aug. 21, 2002 | Tim Lynch

Posted on 08/21/2013 8:42:37 AM PDT by Sopater

“Ruby Ridge” used to refer to a geographical location in the state of Idaho, but after an incident that took place there 10 years ago on Aug. 21, the phrase has come to refer to a scandalous series of events that opened the eyes of many people to the inner workings of the federal government, including the vaunted Federal Bureau of Investigation. Now that 10 years have passed, the feds will accelerate their ongoing effort to “move forward” and have the scandal declared “ancient history.” But the Ruby Ridge episode should not be soon forgotten.

On August 21, 1992 a paramilitary unit of the U.S. Marshals Service ventured onto the 20-acre property known as Ruby Ridge. A man named Randy Weaver owned the land and he lived there with his wife, children, and a family friend, Kevin Harris. There was an outstanding warrant for Weaver’s arrest for a firearms offense and the marshals were surveilling the premises. When the family dog noticed the marshals sneaking around in the woods, it began to bark wildly. Weaver’s 14-year-old boy, Sammy, and Kevin Harris proceeded to grab their rifles because they thought the dog had come upon a wild animal.

A firefight erupted when a marshal shot and killed the dog. Enraged that the family pet had been cut down for no good reason, Sammy shot into the woods at the unidentified trespasser. Within a few minutes, two human beings were shot dead: Sammy Weaver and a marshal. Harris and the Weaver family retreated to their cabin and the marshals retreated from the mountain and called the FBI for assistance.

During the night, FBI snipers took positions around the Weaver cabin. There is no dispute about the fact that the snipers were given illegal “shoot to kill” orders. Under the law, police agents can use deadly force to defend themselves and others from imminent attack, but these snipers were instructed to shoot any adult who was armed and outside the cabin, regardless of whether the adult posed a threat or not. The next morning, an FBI agent shot and wounded Randy Weaver. A few moments later, the same agent shot Weaver’s wife in the head as she was standing in the doorway of her home holding a baby in her arms. The FBI snipers had not yet announced their presence and had not given the Weavers an opportunity to peacefully surrender.

After an 11-day standoff, Weaver agreed to surrender. The FBI told the world that it had apprehended a band of dangerous racists. The New York Times was duped into describing a family (two parents, three children) and one adult friend as “an armed separatist brigade.” The Department of Justice proceeded to take over the case, charging Weaver and Harris with conspiracy to commit “murder.” Federal prosecutors asked an Idaho jury to impose the death penalty. Instead, the jury acquitted Weaver and Harris of all of the serious criminal charges.

Embarrassed by the outcome, FBI officials told the world that there would be a thorough review of the case, but the Bureau closed ranks and covered up the mess. FBI director Louis Freeh went so far as to promote one of the agents involved, Larry Potts, to the Bureau’s number-two position.

When Weaver sued the federal government for the wrongful death of his wife and son, the government that had tried to kill him twice now sought an out-of-court settlement. In August 1995 the U.S. government paid the Weaver family $3.1 million. On the condition that his name not be used in an article, one Department of Justice official told the Washington Post that if Weaver’s suit had gone to trial in Idaho, he probably would have been awarded $200 million.

With the intervening events at Waco, more and more people began to question the veracity of Department of Justice and FBI accounts and whether the federal government had the capacity to hold its own agents accountable for criminal misconduct. Like the Watergate scandal, however, the response to the initial illegality turned out to be even more shocking and disturbing.

When an FBI supervisor, Michael Kahoe, admitted to destroying evidence and obstructing justice, he was eventually prosecuted but only after being kept on the FBI payroll until his 50th birthday — so that he would be eligible for his retirement pension. And when Larry Potts was finally forced into retirement, FBI officials flew into Washington from around the country for his going-away bash. Those officials claimed to be on “official business” so they billed the taxpayers for the trip. After the fraud was leaked to the press by some anonymous and apparently sickened FBI agent, the merry band of partygoers were not discharged from service. Instead, a letter was placed in their personnel file, chiding them with “inattention to detail.”

An Idaho prosecutor did bring manslaughter charges against the FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver. That move really outraged the feds because they insisted that they were capable of policing their own — so long as they did not have any outside “interference.”

The Department of Justice was so disturbed by the indictment of its agent that they dispatched the solicitor general to a federal appellate court to argue that the charges should be dismissed. (The solicitor general ordinarily only makes oral arguments to the Supreme Court). The solicitor general told the judicial panel that even if the evidence supported the charges, the case should be thrown out because “federal law enforcement agents are privileged to do what would otherwise be unlawful if done by a private citizen.” The appeals court rejected that sweeping argument for a license to kill, but by the time that ruling came down last June, a new local prosecutor was in office in Boundary County, Idaho, and he announced that it was time to put this whole unpleasant episode behind us and to “move on.” Thus, the criminal case against the sniper was dropped.

A new generation of young people who have never heard of Ruby Ridge are now emerging from the public school system and are heading off to college and will thereafter begin their careers in business, education, journalism, government and other fields. This generation will find it hard to fathom that the federal government could have killed a boy and an unarmed woman and then tried to deceive everyone about what had actually occurred and, in some instances, rationalize what did occur. That is why it is important to remember Ruby Ridge. Someone needs to remind the young people (and everyone else) that it really did happen — and that it will happen again if the government is not kept on a short leash. No one will learn about the incident when they tour the FBI facility in Washington. It goes unmentioned for some reason.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: banglist; criminalgovernment; doj; fbi; fbijackboots; govtabuse; guncontrol; idaho; jbt; larrypotts; louisfreeh; michaelkahoe; randyweaver; rapeofliberty; rubyridge; secondamendment; tyranny; weaver
21 years ago... never forget.
1 posted on 08/21/2013 8:42:37 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

14-year-old Sammy was shot in the back while running back to his father, Randy.

Weaver’s wife was shot in the head by a sniper while standing at the door holding their 10-month old baby.


2 posted on 08/21/2013 8:45:21 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
Courtesy of the GHW Bush administration.
3 posted on 08/21/2013 8:47:42 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Courtesy of the GHW Bush administration.

The same pig that started the ball rolling on the Waco inferno.

4 posted on 08/21/2013 8:58:27 AM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Sopater

Yeh, like it won’t happen again and real soon.


5 posted on 08/21/2013 9:01:08 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sopater

Thank you for posting......excellent article.


6 posted on 08/21/2013 9:01:14 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

This kind of thing happens very often, but it’s now local SWAT teams doing no-knock raids on the wrong house, shooting the inhabitants and asking questions later.


7 posted on 08/21/2013 9:03:45 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Sopater

Ruby Ridge was the clue to where Federal law enforcement was going.
Entrapment and murder for those who oppose Federal Gov control


8 posted on 08/21/2013 9:04:03 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Sopater
You are right. This atrocity should never be forgotten.

I think that had it not been for the bad publicity garnered by the Janet Reno directed slaughter at Waco, we would have seen more such outrages, thereafter. We should also remember the disgusting performance by now Senator Chuck Schumer, in trying to justify the Waco slaughter in the House Committee investigation that followed. The enemy of liberty is not at the gates, any more!

William Flax

9 posted on 08/21/2013 9:05:00 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Thane_Banquo

This stuff is escalating exponetially until at some point there is going to be a major pushback. This country is a tinderbox waiting for the right spark.


10 posted on 08/21/2013 9:07:15 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sopater
Lon Horuchi. Who was at Waco too.

May he burn in hell.

5.56mm

11 posted on 08/21/2013 9:07:32 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Sopater
Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Oklahoma City Bombing, and TWA800... The bitter end of a lifetime of respect for the FBI.

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12 posted on 08/21/2013 9:15:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: Sopater

Lon Horiuchi still deserves a date with a needle for murdering Vicki Weaver.


13 posted on 08/21/2013 9:20:45 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: M Kehoe
Same guy?
14 posted on 08/21/2013 9:23:05 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: Spirochete

The Waco even was courtesy of Janet Reno and Bill Clinton.


15 posted on 08/21/2013 9:23:22 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
My spelling is not so good. Yes.

5.56mm

16 posted on 08/21/2013 9:26:47 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Texas Songwriter

Eric Holder was involved in both ruby ridge and waco.


17 posted on 08/21/2013 9:30:11 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

I don’t know, its such a common name.


18 posted on 08/21/2013 9:47:30 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
20 years after Ruby Ridge, there's Forgiveness (Sara Weaver)


19 posted on 08/21/2013 9:50:22 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
20 years after Ruby Ridge, there's Forgiveness (Sara Weaver)


20 posted on 08/21/2013 9:50:36 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
The unpunished atrocities of Waco and Ruby Ridge were the turning point for this country.

What would this America look like today had the government showed the people they would hold their own accountable for crimes committed under the color of authority.

21 posted on 08/21/2013 9:57:50 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Texas Songwriter

The set up and perjured warrant request by BATF occured during daddy bushes regime.


22 posted on 08/21/2013 10:06:24 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Thank you for posting......excellent article.

I second that, and must add that's the single most inclusive and concise summary I've ever read. Well done!

23 posted on 08/21/2013 10:13:20 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Sopater
That was under the Clinton DOJ. Somehow, these faggot, commie, tyrant progressives have an inarguable and indefensible sense of entitlement which, when elected to serve the public, causes them to morph that solemn obligation into a license to become wanton despots and brazen dictators.

I guess when you start from a demneted position of social lunacy, all you need to add is a bit of power to come up with a total megalomaniac. Helps to explain why so many pathalogical liars, sociopathic schemers, and ignorant bigots don the sheep's cloak of "Progressive" to mask their devolutionary proclivities.

An act of pure evil can be sold to an unsuspecting, naive group with the promise of "change," if the seller happens to have no conscience, sense of honor, or moral compass. And if you ask your garden variety Progressive, all of those things are old, outdated vestiges of an era long passed.

We will not be free of their stranglehold on our society until we again commit ourselves to the eternal wisdom of our prayerful, Godly Founding Fathers, and again submit ourselves to the absolute rule and guiding Hand of our one true and loving God.

Once He is restored to His rightful place in our lives, and our Nation, then we will be restored to our former place in His care.

Unless and until that occurs, we will continue to rot from the inside out.

;-\

24 posted on 08/21/2013 10:34:46 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Da amber lamps. Bring dem..." LMFFAO!!!!)
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To: Sopater

“How’s your baby Mrs. Weaver?” Was repeatedly asked over their loud speakers!

Sickening that these LEOs can walk and live amongst us instead of being locked up.


25 posted on 08/21/2013 10:44:20 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Sopater

Seems to recall Randy Weaver was a combat vet. And was targeted by the Feds who had some greasy fella befriend Randy Weaver to convince him to cut down a shotgun.And how the legal system failed notify Randy Weaver of the Court date—setting up the warrant—I believe their end goal all along was to remove their target Randy Weaver—or to so damage himhe woul dnot act as any credible threat to those who trained him to begin with and who deployed him in the Republic of....


26 posted on 08/21/2013 10:59:29 AM PDT by Robert Burkholder
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To: Sopater

Would make sense that he would be given some nondescript government job hidden away in DC.

Posting on Linkedin tho?

Maybe he is an idiot on top of being a murderer.


27 posted on 08/21/2013 11:01:03 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: Sopater

Ruby Ridge was my watershed moment as an adult...the light went on...

Never ever forget....this and Waco...


28 posted on 08/21/2013 11:09:03 AM PDT by Popman
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To: Robert Burkholder
I believe their end goal all along was to remove their target Randy Weaver—or to so damage himhe woul dnot act as any credible threat to those who trained him to begin with and who deployed him in the Republic of....

I believe that they were trying to force him to inform on others in the Arian Nations group. When he refused to do so under threat of legal action regarding the shotguns, they decided to play "rough".
29 posted on 08/21/2013 11:32:05 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
Let's not forget the despicable origin of this slaughter.

Weaver had briefly stayed with some white supremacists, and left in disgust. The Feds (I think it was the BATF) wanted information on them, could not infiltrate them, so they chased Weaver down and ‘asked’ him to go back and be a snitch for them. Weaver nixed this. He just wanted to be left in peace on his land.

So the Feds moved an undercover agent in next door and had him be friendly towards Weaver. After a while, the guy asked Weaver to sell him a shotgun. Weaver agreed. The guy asked him to cut the barrel short. Weaver said he would not cut it shorter than the legal limit.

Weaver measured 16 inches and cut the barrel.

The Feds decided that the cut was ONE SAWBLADE WIDTH TOO SHORT, and that he had manufactured and sold an illegal sawed off shotgun. They told him they would drop the charges if he would go spy on the white supremacists.

Weaver, livid with rage over the setup and entrapment and extortion, told them to f*** themselves.

They indicted him and took him to court; the court clerk made a ‘clerical error’ sent him a notice to show up on 13 March, while everyone else got the notice to show up on 13 February. A Bench Warrant was issued when he didn't appear. Weaver decided the fix was in, that the court system was as corrupt as the Federal Agents, and told them all to f*** themselves.

The Marshalls were told to pick him up, but were so embarrassed about how it all happened that they just ignored the warrant. Eight months later a local newspaper printed a story about how the Marshals were ignoring their duty. A new manager came in and decided they couldn't ignore the warrant forever.

The story told in the article is light on details, but essentially correct from that point on.

30 posted on 08/21/2013 11:55:02 AM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: skeeter
When Weaver sued the federal government for the wrongful death of his wife and son, the government that had tried to kill him twice now sought an out-of-court settlement. In August 1995 the U.S. government paid the Weaver family $3.1 million.

As I understand it, it was $1M for each child and $100k for Randy himself.

Pfh.
31 posted on 08/21/2013 12:05:00 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Mack the knife
The guy asked him to cut the barrel short.

I'd say "cut your own darn barrel!"
32 posted on 08/21/2013 12:08:11 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Mack the knife
The story told in the article is light on details, but essentially correct from that point on.

I believe your assessment is correct however, as well as your claim that the article is short on details... I just wanted to remind everyone at FR on this 21st anniversary.
33 posted on 08/21/2013 12:10:02 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Texas Songwriter
The Waco even was courtesy of Janet Reno and Bill Clinton.

It unfolded on their watch. It started under GHWB.

34 posted on 08/21/2013 1:19:27 PM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Sopater

Wow...that was some biased article...

Of course it’s NBC...they can’t help themselves...


35 posted on 08/21/2013 3:11:51 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Texas Songwriter

And Jamie Gorelick and Dick Rogers


36 posted on 08/21/2013 3:19:13 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Popman

NBC is the political voice of COMCAST

COMCAST is an American enemy


37 posted on 08/21/2013 3:23:31 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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