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Ted Cruz could beat Hillary
Salon.com ^ | Saturday, Jul 20, 2013 03:30 AM PDT | Jonathan Bernstein

Posted on 08/21/2013 9:09:21 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

He may be a right-wing nut, but the Texas senator can beat a Democrat in a general election. Here's why

There’s been some more buzz this week about Ted Cruz’s presidential prospects. The demagoguing senator took his first trip to Iowa just six months after being sworn in to office, and he’s pretty clearly reaching for the White House. Early reports are that it’s going well. And Rich Yeselson wrote a high-profile (and fascinating) essay arguing that, basically, Cruz is perfectly positioned for reaching the top of the Republican ticket.

The focus of this piece is on Cruz’s general election viability. When it comes to the primary, I’m not going to start handicapping the viable candidates seeking the Republican nomination yet; I’ll only say that I don’t see any reason not to include Cruz in that group, as of now. Viable candidates have conventional credentials and are in the mainstream of their party on questions of public policy. Cruz, from what we know now, qualifies. With four years in elected office by January 2017, he’ll be in a similar boat with Barack Obama (who, granted, had held lower office as well) and Mitt Romney (who at least had four full years before his campaign began). And while Cruz surely is planted at an edge of the Republican mainstream, I don’t see any reason, so far, to believe he’s close to falling off that edge. Whether or not Yeselson is correct that Cruz is a particularly strong candidate, it’s certainly very possible to see him nominated.

But what about the general election? Could he actually win?

What I hear from many liberals about Cruz’s chances are two things. One is just disbelief: Republicans wouldn’t really do something like nominate Cruz, would they? The key is that Ted Cruz isn’t Herman Cain or even Michele Bachmann; he’s a United States senator, and that counts for something (that is, conventional credentials count for something) in presidential elections. So, yes, they really could do something like that.

The other thing I hear, however, is perhaps even more wrong. Some liberals react by actively rooting for Cruz. The theory? The nuttier the nominee, the worse the chances of Republicans retaking the White House. Indeed, in conversation I’ve heard all sorts of justifications: Cruz couldn’t possibly win Florida! Therefore, he couldn’t win the White House!

Don’t listen to it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: citizenship; cruz; cruz2016; cruzcitizen; naturalborncanadian; naturalborncuban; naturalbornsubject; tedcruz
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1 posted on 08/21/2013 9:09:21 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg; Washi; ...

Senator Ted Cruz for President Ping!


2 posted on 08/21/2013 9:09:56 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

like a rented mule.


3 posted on 08/21/2013 9:13:48 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Let’s start calling Hillary a left-wing nut!


4 posted on 08/21/2013 9:13:55 AM PDT by golf lover (goingf)
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz at this time, is by far my first choice. All we need to do is kidnap Karl Rove, and send him to a gulag under armed guard .


5 posted on 08/21/2013 9:14:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Ted Cruz currently has Canadian citizenship and I won’t be voting for him. Period.


6 posted on 08/21/2013 9:14:42 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: Lakeshark

With respect to your thread just down below, this is why the Cruz birthers are now starting to ooze out of the woodwork.


7 posted on 08/21/2013 9:16:16 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: MeganC
Ted Cruz currently has Canadian citizenship and I won’t be voting for him. Period.

So vote for Hillary then.

8 posted on 08/21/2013 9:17:09 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SoConPubbie

“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.” - Alexander Hamilton

Obvious idiot. This guy doesn’t realize that only moderates can win. Besides, plenty of Freepers know better than this no name wannabee.


9 posted on 08/21/2013 9:18:06 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SoConPubbie; All

TOO SOON. HE IS A FRESHMAN AND WE NEED TO SEE HOW HE BEHAVES IND VOTES IN CRISIS. HE NEEDS TO HAVE A RECORD, AND SOME EXPERIENCE. LET US NOT WASTE HIS POTENTIAL. MO!

I LIVE IN TEXAS. HE IS A COMER.

WE NEED HIIM IN THE SENATE NOW! BEST NOT TO RUSH HIM.

I AGREE HE CAN BE PRESIDENT. HILLARY WILL NOT PLAY FAIR, IF NECESSARY SHE WILL MAKE UP LIES, THE PRESS WILL CARRY AND PUSH THE LIES. ETC.


10 posted on 08/21/2013 9:18:27 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Beautiful!


11 posted on 08/21/2013 9:19:02 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: MeganC
Ted Cruz currently has Canadian citizenship and I won’t be voting for him. Period.
Senator Cruz has already stated that if necessary, since he was not aware of his Canadian citizenship, he will renounce his Canadian citizenship.

Got any other objections?
12 posted on 08/21/2013 9:19:16 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: geologist
TOO SOON. HE IS A FRESHMAN AND WE NEED TO SEE HOW HE BEHAVES IND VOTES IN CRISIS. HE NEEDS TO HAVE A RECORD, AND SOME EXPERIENCE. LET US NOT WASTE HIS POTENTIAL. MO!

Nope, not too soon.

Just the right time.

He's the right man at the right time.

Much better than Rand Paul with his Amnesty plan!
13 posted on 08/21/2013 9:20:36 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Obvious idiot. This guy doesn’t realize that only moderates can win. Besides, plenty of Freepers know better than this no name wannabee.

Ha!
14 posted on 08/21/2013 9:21:08 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Ted Cruz is the best debater in the country.

Hillary would get clobbered in any debate and Cruz would destroy any moderator who attempts to help Hillary.

Cruz would not play Mr. Nice Guy.

He’d obviously get the enthusiastic support of evangelical Christians, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and Tea Party members. And, of course, Sarah Palin would endorse and campaign for him.


15 posted on 08/21/2013 9:21:18 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Timber Rattler

Every time that quote is posted, like clockwork, some sycophant comes out to explain why it’s not relevant anymore.

Mark my words. It will happen. And they do not even realize how stupid they look.


16 posted on 08/21/2013 9:21:18 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: MeganC

What’s your rationale there?

He’s going to renounce the Canadian citizenship, but I wouldn’t care if he didn’t.

What are you afraid he’ll do—give Detroit to the Parti Quebecois?


17 posted on 08/21/2013 9:21:21 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: SoConPubbie

Obama was the first “black” president
Rafael Edward Cruz would be first Hispanic President

Obama was a Senator for less than 2 years.
Cruz will have been a senator for 4 years.

Obama held office in the Illinois legislature.
Cruz was the solicitor general of Texas.

Cruz was an honors graduate of Princeton University.
Obama has never released a transcript.

Cruz was a law clerk for chief justice William Rehnquist.
Obama never put his law degree to work.

Obama was the editor of the Harvard Law Review and never penned an article.

Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995.[27][1] While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[4] Referring to Cruz’s time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, “Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant.”[19][28][29][30][31][32] At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.[33]


18 posted on 08/21/2013 9:21:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie

The Republicans can continually go after Hillary for all of her misdeeds - if they have the nads to do so.


19 posted on 08/21/2013 9:22:26 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: SoConPubbie
Please refrain form using the words Beat and Hillary in the same sentence.

It sets off a dramatic Uptick In My PULSE RATE and Blood Pressure as well as inspiring an overwhelming the urge to purchase a LOUISVILLE SLUGGER!

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20 posted on 08/21/2013 9:22:26 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: golf lover
Let’s start calling Hillary a left-wing nut!

I agree...she IS a left-wing nut.

Here's what Camille Paglia - Dem columnist - has to say about Hill!, in a Salon interview, today....

It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party’s best chance. She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She’s certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts.

I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying “I take responsibility” for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately.

21 posted on 08/21/2013 9:22:49 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Do you have any doubt that Cruz would? I don’t.


22 posted on 08/21/2013 9:24:42 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Fightin Whitey

I don’t want *anyone* with dual citizenship in the White House.

He can be a Cabinet member or keep working as a Senator but where he was born in Canada he is not qualified to be President and if he’s nominated then I fully expect the Democrats to sue to have him kicked off the ballot and I expect them to win that fight based on everything that’s been done to Obama on the same topic.

Let someone else run who doesn’t have a cloud like this in their history.


23 posted on 08/21/2013 9:25:12 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Does Salon have to parade their own dementia, even when seeking to realistically discuss future possibilities? How can you start a discussion of an obviously very rational public figure with this sort of brazen attribution:

"He may be a right-wing nut,"

These folk cannot cover up their fanaticism, even when they are trying to appear dispassionate. It is very obvious, we think, who the "nuts" are.

And for a discussion of the thought processes of the Leftist/Egalitarian/Collectivists in our midst: Compassion Or Compulsion? Yes, of course, we are attributing neurotic motives to our foe. But the difference is that the article gives the reasons for the attribution. It is not gratuitous insult.

William Flax

24 posted on 08/21/2013 9:25:16 AM PDT by Ohioan
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Maybe. But he will never beat Hillary’s 2,000 copied FBI files.


25 posted on 08/21/2013 9:25:57 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: S.O.S121.500

Hope we aren’t talking about arm wrestling. Pretty sure the hildebeast would take that one.


26 posted on 08/21/2013 9:28:30 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: MeganC

So some foreign government says they bestowed it on him and he qualifies. He has never recognized it and renounces any claim to it.
Besides, he is a natural born American. He is a citizen of the USA by virtue of birth. No naturalization was required.

The constitution mentions Aliens, citizens, and natural born citizens. If you gain citizenship by birth, you are indeed NBC. Naturalization makes you a “citizen”.

Everything else is non constitutional BS parlor games that sound like made up sorority membership rules.


27 posted on 08/21/2013 9:28:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: xzins

Thanks for posting that list of comparisons.

They are skeered already. They should be. If he runs, I’m on board.


28 posted on 08/21/2013 9:29:23 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: SoConPubbie

29 posted on 08/21/2013 9:33:02 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Salon tipping off the rest of the MSM, “triple-down on the birther stories NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW! He’s a CANADIAN, I tell ya, a CANADIAN!!”


30 posted on 08/21/2013 9:33:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SoConPubbie

I have some money just burning a hole in my pocket. President Ted Cruz........... that sounds good to me! :D


31 posted on 08/21/2013 9:34:59 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: MeshugeMikey
Please refrain form using the words Beat and Hillary in the same sentence.

OK then. He can cream her. Oh wait. Nevermind.

32 posted on 08/21/2013 9:36:34 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Weird how no one on the other side is ever referred to as out of the norm. Obama votes to allow babies to be murdered a halfway through birth by having the doctor use scissors on their skull but he will never be labeled as out of the norm. Our guy is always a ‘nut’. Even when most of the views are clearly majority opinion.


33 posted on 08/21/2013 9:38:37 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Maceman
ahahahaha

Imagine SHrillary's choice Press Secretary !



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34 posted on 08/21/2013 9:39:34 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: SoConPubbie

I like most of what I’ve seen from the senator so far. Let’s see how he conducts hmiself over the next several years. I’ve seen too many in the GOP go soft....not saying the senator will, but better safe than sorry.


35 posted on 08/21/2013 9:40:24 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: MeganC
I expect them to win that fight based on everything that’s been done to Obama on the same topic.

One, nothing has been done to Obama on this topic. His past is much sketchier than Cruz's yet he is well into his second term.

Two, I am good and blankety-blank sick of running from fights. If they can beat Cruz on the basis of his being born in Canada, then that is our fault, not his.

36 posted on 08/21/2013 9:42:08 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: DesertRhino

Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. ‘Nuff said.


37 posted on 08/21/2013 9:45:07 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC
I don’t want *anyone* with dual citizenship in the White House.

What part of the Canadian government bestowed this on him and he wasn't even aware of it and now he has promised to renounce it don't you understand?
38 posted on 08/21/2013 9:45:17 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: MeganC

If your theory holds true, then Biden would have been President 5 years ago.


39 posted on 08/21/2013 9:45:22 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: LongWayHome

In 1981 the MSM got together and created an Immune Response System to see to it that no more Reagans would ever get elected.

Here you see it springing into action.


40 posted on 08/21/2013 9:45:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Fightin Whitey

If you acknowledge that Cruz was born in Canada then how can he be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ like the Constitution requires?


41 posted on 08/21/2013 9:46:01 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC

He has an American birth certificate. The Canadian one is complimentary.


42 posted on 08/21/2013 9:46:27 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: MeganC
Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. ‘Nuff said.

Please post a link that provides the proof that Ted Cruz has in his possession an actual Canadian Birth Certificate.
43 posted on 08/21/2013 9:46:54 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“What part of the Canadian government bestowed this on him”

That would be the Province of Alberta that issued his birth certificate.


44 posted on 08/21/2013 9:47:09 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC

He hid his birth certificate from you...right?


45 posted on 08/21/2013 9:48:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: LongWayHome

We need to get Dan Ackroyd to stand up next to him and do a “Blues Brothers” redux - He looks quite a bit like John Belushi...I’m all in for Ted Cruz - he’s the goods!

I’m telling you - having a “fun” media hype like “Oh he looks like John Belushi” would skyrocket him up in places - he needs to be seen on SNL with Dan Ackroyd - come on let’s work this ok? Get the jump on the old GOP elitists and get this guy out of the gate firing on all guns!


46 posted on 08/21/2013 9:48:20 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: SoConPubbie

“Please post a link that provides the proof that Ted Cruz has in his possession an actual Canadian Birth Certificate.”

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Ted-Cruz-birth-certificate.jpeg

Cruz himself vouched for the authenticity of the document:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/ted-cruz-birth-certificate-95668.html


47 posted on 08/21/2013 9:49:25 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC; Fightin Whitey
If you acknowledge that Cruz was born in Canada then how can he be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ like the Constitution requires?
Please provide the relevant section of the US Constitution that proves your point?

If you are unable to do that, please provide the relevant US Law passed by Congress and signed by a US President that provides the necessary justification for your position.

Barring that, please provide the relevant US Supreme Court case ruling that provides the necessary justification for your position.
48 posted on 08/21/2013 9:50:14 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Ditter

Sounds good to me. Sarah will not be running for President so who can carry the stick for real conservatives. Well none other Ted Cruz. I would vote for him. We all know liberals are scared of Ted Cruz simply because he reminds them of great patriot Joe McCarthy who has a uncanny resembles of him. =)

Maybe this sounds far fetch but it looks like God is putting his chess pieces down. Little by Little we are gradually starting to see a new generation of patriotic politicians taking its place. Something is coming down the pike for this nation but I truly believe God will gradually place those who will defend this (once) great nation.


49 posted on 08/21/2013 9:50:28 AM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: xzins

“He hid his birth certificate from you...right?”

No, you drooling retard, he gave it to the media and they published it on the internet where I easily found it a minute ago.


50 posted on 08/21/2013 9:50:42 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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