Skip to comments.150 years later, Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence still stirs deep emotions – on both sides
Posted on 08/21/2013 5:21:08 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
After 150 years, the emotions and opinions are still raw.
Generations of Kansans have been taught that thieving, bloodthirsty Missourians ripped Lawrence men from their families in the early morning hours of Aug. 21, 1863, and shot them in the dusty streets of Lawrence.
It was utterly catastrophic, said Pat Kehde, a retired Lawrence bookstore owner and great-granddaughter of Ralph and Jetta Dix.
On the morning of the raid, Jetta tried to protect Ralph by standing between William Quantrills men and her husband. When Jetta stumbled as one of Quantrills men rode his horse into her, Ralph was momentarily unguarded and in that instant was shot and killed.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
Great story.... I knew very little of it....
The annual game between Missouri and Kansas used to be called “The Border War”. They changed the name because that was not PC.
Now that Missouri is in the SEC, I don’t know if they even still play.
I was at the Dodge City National Guard Armory many years ago.
They had a sign on it which said “professional redlegs”.
Today, Quantrill might be best described as not mentally all together
Bloody Bill Anderson was at the Lawrence raid and I think he led the raid-not Quantrill.
The wife and I have stayed in Lawrence a number of times when driving back to Wisconsin from Texas. Very pretty country. We’ve never brought up the raid with any of the locals.
Abe acted foolishly.
That is an interesting scene. There is a third guy, unseen, that just kind of was forgotten about when the shooting started.
The Outlaw Josey Wales has my pick as not only one of the greatest westerns ever but also has my choice as having the greatest single scene in a western of all time. It’s the scene where Josie is accosted by two bounty hunters while his young partner is trying to recover from a gun shot. Len Lesser, Uncle Leo of Seinfeld, played one of the hapless bounty hunters. Used to repeat the scene at work with co-workers. Never ceased to create laughs. “Watch it Abe, I seen him do some things.” “Shut up Lije.”
Also, the Jayhawker leaders and instigators of the Missouri raids cut and ran from Quantrill, leaving their fellow townspeople to face William Quantrills wrath.
At the height of the Border War, and I don't think the fans called it anything but that, Missouri used to sell a picture of Lawrence after the massacre with the caption "Missouri 164, Kansas 0".
The same might be said for Sherman who marched to the sea, killing and leaving behind a burned path, Looting and stealing goods from Southerners, and sacking Atlanta.
Is Quantrill any worse than Sherman.
I guess it depends on your point of view.
Although the majority of townsmen were away fighting in the Civil War, those remaining drilled with guns, which were stored at the towns armory.
As a result, on the day of the attack which started while many residents were still at home in bed they had little to defend themselves with ...
Mr. Mercat grew up in Lawrence. I went to KU and met and married Mr. Mercat and we lived there for another ten. Our son was an extra in Ride with the Devil. There’s a story of my mother’s grandfather who was only 12 at the time of the civil war. He was with his parents on the family farm in SW Missouri with his five older brothers off fighting for the confederates (four died). A young slave woman came to the door one night and warned them that the neighboring farm was being raided by irregulars from Kansas. They went and hid in the fields until it was over. Here’s a trivia question, what other state was admitted to the Union when Missouri was to keep the number of slave and free states even?
Yup and I assume you didn’t look it up. LOL
The army will forage liberally on the country during the march. To this end, each brigade commander will organize a good and sufficient foraging party, under the command of one or more discreet officers, who will gather, near the route traveled, corn or forage of any kind, meat of any kind, vegetables, corn-meal, or whatever is needed by the command, aiming at all times to keep in the wagons at least ten days' provisions for his command, and three days' forage. Soldiers must not enter the dwellings of the inhabitants, or commit any trespass; but, during a halt or camp, they may be permitted to gather turnips, potatoes, and other vegetables, and to drive in stock in sight of their camp. To regular foraging-parties must be intrusted the gathering of provisions and forage, at any distance from the road traveled.
Yes, and Hitler thought the Japanese were cruel in their occupation of China....
For what it’s worth, Quantrill was a Yankee. Born and raised in Dover, Ohio. He moved out west and embraced the Southern cause as the Civil War approached. All that said, I suspect both he and Bloody Bill would be in straitjackets were they alive today.
War is hell. But Rapes of Nanking and burnings of Lawrence go beyond Sherman’s march in Georgia and Lee’s invasion of Pennsylvania. And certainly there were also atrocities committed by Unionist guerrillas also in contested lands.
When I was in college there was another student who confessed that his family had changed their name to hide the fact that they were closely related to Quantrill. I scoffed at the notion that there would after more than 100 years, be
revenge sought. He assured me that there was.
Now, in looking back almost 40 years I have to agree with him. Some pain takes a very long time to be forgotten.
According the the Lincoln Coven Sherman’s men were on a “hearts and mind” mission to curry southern favor. They passed out chocolate wherever they went and help old ladies with their chores. The slaves well they educated them and freed them.
Sherman liberated Georgia from the Confederates. The Georgia secession was fraudulent in the first place, accomplished contrary to the will of the people by means of dirty political and electoral tricks that would make a Chicago Democrat proud.
Do you want to add sarcasm tags to your last post?
I don’t doubt your story or your buddies concern. I’ve learned that some folks truly hold a grudge beyond the grave.
Point of view.
No use in arguing, one was as bad as the other.
We all know that order just set ground rules that were often not obeyed.
We lost a great great great great grandfather in the border war. They took him off on a horse and the family never saw him again. This happened in South Missouri. My fathers family never wanted us to live in Kansas to this day. Not that I am tempted. Blech
If these morons really had any any idea of how brutal and bloody that border war was, they'd shut the hell up. Examples like the attacks on Osceola and Lawrence would shut them up if they had a clue.
That stuck out like a sore thumb at me as well.
Dumb move. Arms that you can't reach are useless.
Regardless of the scumbag redlegs
His men should not have slain innocents to make point
Goes for either side
Mr. Mercat grew up in Lawrence. I went to KU...”
Ah, the waving wheat and home of Rock Chock. My son graduated from KU. When I was in high school a group of us from KC went to KU and visited the Bell Tower. Turned around and could see nothing - I had run smack dab into Wilt Chamberlain and my nose was about level with his belly button. Interesting encounter.
Great history your family has.
I'm just waiting for just the right Second Amendment thread to pontificate about how the Confederates were the pioneers of gun control in our nation.
The Civil War showed us exactly what was to come, including genocide in the form of Order No 11.
Your posts say it all.
Perhaps a better comparison to Quantrill in terms of bloody ruthlessness would be John Brown, since both men were active in the same regional conflict. Brown's abolitionist buddies in the northeast, of course, undertook some dirty political and electoral tricks of their own, in an effort to tip the election in Kansas to the anti-slavery side.
An 1850s version of Chicago politics probably would include the arming, provisioning and transporting of "new voters" to any place (like Lecompton, Kansas, for example) where an agenda must be advanced by any means necessary.
Thanks for the post. The Missouri Border War and Bloody Kansas is one of my favorite areas of reading. Lesser known, were similar partisan wars in WV, and the mountains of KY, TN and the Carolinas.
Hill folk were mostly unionist in the South.”...jest cawz them uppity flatlanders warn’t.” No love lost.
I would say Kansas manhood should have some real self-esteem issues coming out of this dust up. I can see why Missouri would remember it even if guiltily ..but only in an age of victimization would Kansas willingly commemorate such a shameful showing of its manhood.
It was a war for cripes sakes ..fight. As horrible as many think the Raiders were, in effect these Kansas men abandoned their women to them and hid. Good Lord, with blood like this in his veins, no wonder Bob Dole needed Viagra to get it up.
Bloody Bill Anderson, Cole and James Younger and two more of their later gang, Bill Quantrill, Frank James, Daniel Boones great grand son Upton Hayes.....to name a few remembered well.
Fisher Prominent citizen - Hides in basement. Hides under wifes dress, then hides under a rug.
Murdock newsman and editor Hides in a pit.
Lane Senator hides in cornfield.
Robinson Former Governor Hid in barn....probably in the manure pile...the best place to hide.
Speer Editor. He survives but his two sons are killed.
Forgotten now except that they hid.
And not a single Missourian bagged? My mom would have plugged at least one....
Of course, we know better now. As our betters tell us everyday. Don’t resist. It only makes it worse.
Comment of the year brother! Missouri - never surrendered, never reconstructed. :-)
Just got a book in the mail yesterday and was thumbing thru it before bed. Has an appendix with the names of those affected by No. 11. Some really brutal stuff.
“On October 16, 1854, the first anti-slavery newspaper was established to voice the sentiments of the New England Emigrant Society. The newspaper called the Kansas Pioneer, further enraged the pro-slavery supporters
Pro-slavery Missourians flooded the state to vote at the first election in November, 1854, where armed pro-slavery advocates intimidated voters and stuffed ballot boxes. Andrew H. Reeder was elected as the first territorial governor of Kansas.
Another election was held in March, 1855 for the first territorial legislature. With the pro-slavery advocates winning again, the members ousted all Free-State members, secured the removal of Governor Andrew Reeder, adopted proslavery statutes, and began to hold their sessions at Lecompton, Kansas about twelve miles from Lawrence. Severe penalties were leveled against anyone who spoke or wrote against slaveholding and those who assisted fugitives could be put to death or sentenced to ten years hard labor.”
-—Note that the bulk of Missorians did not move to Kansas, they just came to vote and stuff the ballot boxes. It continues;
..”On December 1, 1855, a small army of Missourians, acting under the command of “Sheriff” Jones, laid siege to Lawrence in the opening stages of what would later become known as “The Wakarusa War.” The intervention of the new governor, Wilson Shannon, kept the proslavery men from attacking Lawrence.
But, later when a young man, who had come to the aid of the Free-Staters, rode off to his home about six miles west of Lawrence, he was met on the way by a group of pro-slavery men from Lecompton.
Though the man never even drew his weapon, he was shot in cold blood by the pro-slavery faction. His body was returned to Lawrence where the entire citizenry followed it to its burial, in the presence of his young wife and children, in Pioneer Cemetery. This event, more than any other, hardened the Free-Staters to the realization that they had come, not simply for an election to determine whether Kansas would be a free or slave state, but to fight a war over the issue.”
The “disputation,” as I read it, started with Missourian vote fraud, establishment of a illegitimate Facist state government in LeCompten, an armed action against Lawrence, and murder to support their addiction to slavery.
For more, go to the link. It discusses the violence on both sides.
I no longer post on WBTS threads except in general. There are two or three posters who nearly always show up and simply lie through their teeth. I don’t mean little lies either.
They make up some which are so ridiculous as to be amusing and yes I am sure they can find somewhere on the internet where someone else said these things are true.
Anyway it is pointless to try and debate people who are without honor. There used to be a couple of others years ago but someone finally outed them as Bill Clinton supporters and they eventually quit posting.
We all make mistakes and that is not a problem. You simply point it out and the person admits he has made one. That is not what is happening in these typical posts.