Posted on 08/21/2013 5:21:08 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
After 150 years, the emotions and opinions are still raw.
Generations of Kansans have been taught that thieving, bloodthirsty Missourians ripped Lawrence men from their families in the early morning hours of Aug. 21, 1863, and shot them in the dusty streets of Lawrence.
“It was utterly catastrophic,” said Pat Kehde, a retired Lawrence bookstore owner and great-granddaughter of Ralph and Jetta Dix.
On the morning of the raid, Jetta tried to protect Ralph by standing between William Quantrill’s men and her husband. When Jetta stumbled as one of Quantrill’s men rode his horse into her, Ralph was momentarily unguarded and in that instant was shot and killed.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
I'm just waiting for just the right Second Amendment thread to pontificate about how the Confederates were the pioneers of gun control in our nation.
The Civil War showed us exactly what was to come, including genocide in the form of Order No 11.
Your posts say it all.
Perhaps a better comparison to Quantrill in terms of bloody ruthlessness would be John Brown, since both men were active in the same regional conflict. Brown's abolitionist buddies in the northeast, of course, undertook some dirty political and electoral tricks of their own, in an effort to tip the election in Kansas to the anti-slavery side.
An 1850s version of Chicago politics probably would include the arming, provisioning and transporting of "new voters" to any place (like Lecompton, Kansas, for example) where an agenda must be advanced by any means necessary.
Thanks for the post. The Missouri Border War and Bloody Kansas is one of my favorite areas of reading. Lesser known, were similar partisan wars in WV, and the mountains of KY, TN and the Carolinas.
Hill folk were mostly unionist in the South.”...jest cawz them uppity flatlanders warn’t.” No love lost.
I would say Kansas manhood should have some real self-esteem issues coming out of this dust up. I can see why Missouri would remember it…even if guiltily…..but only in an age of victimization would Kansas willingly commemorate such a shameful showing of its manhood.
It was a war for cripes sakes…..fight. As horrible as many think the Raiders were, in effect these Kansas men abandoned their women to them and hid. Good Lord, with blood like this in his veins, no wonder Bob Dole needed Viagra to get it up.
Missouri Heroes:
Bloody Bill Anderson, Cole and James Younger and two more of their later gang, Bill Quantrill, Frank James, Daniel Boone’s great grand son Upton Hayes.....to name a few remembered well.
Kansan Heroes:
Fisher – Prominent citizen - Hides in basement. Hides under wife’s dress, then hides under a rug.
Murdock – newsman and editor – Hides in a pit.
Lane – Senator – hides in cornfield.
Robinson – Former Governor – Hid in barn....probably in the manure pile...the best place to hide.
Speer – Editor. He survives but his two sons are killed.
Forgotten now except that they hid.
And not a single Missourian bagged? My mom would have plugged at least one....
Of course, we know better now. As our betters tell us everyday. Don’t resist. It only makes it worse.
Comment of the year brother! Missouri - never surrendered, never reconstructed. :-)
Just got a book in the mail yesterday and was thumbing thru it before bed. Has an appendix with the names of those affected by No. 11. Some really brutal stuff.
From;
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/ks-bleedingkansas2.html
“On October 16, 1854, the first anti-slavery newspaper was established to voice the sentiments of the New England Emigrant Society. The newspaper called the Kansas Pioneer, further enraged the pro-slavery supporters
Pro-slavery Missourians flooded the state to vote at the first election in November, 1854, where armed pro-slavery advocates intimidated voters and stuffed ballot boxes. Andrew H. Reeder was elected as the first territorial governor of Kansas.
Another election was held in March, 1855 for the first territorial legislature. With the pro-slavery advocates winning again, the members ousted all Free-State members, secured the removal of Governor Andrew Reeder, adopted proslavery statutes, and began to hold their sessions at Lecompton, Kansas about twelve miles from Lawrence. Severe penalties were leveled against anyone who spoke or wrote against slaveholding and those who assisted fugitives could be put to death or sentenced to ten years hard labor.”
-—Note that the bulk of Missorians did not move to Kansas, they just came to vote and stuff the ballot boxes. It continues;
..”On December 1, 1855, a small army of Missourians, acting under the command of “Sheriff” Jones, laid siege to Lawrence in the opening stages of what would later become known as “The Wakarusa War.” The intervention of the new governor, Wilson Shannon, kept the proslavery men from attacking Lawrence.
But, later when a young man, who had come to the aid of the Free-Staters, rode off to his home about six miles west of Lawrence, he was met on the way by a group of pro-slavery men from Lecompton.
Though the man never even drew his weapon, he was shot in cold blood by the pro-slavery faction. His body was returned to Lawrence where the entire citizenry followed it to its burial, in the presence of his young wife and children, in Pioneer Cemetery. This event, more than any other, hardened the Free-Staters to the realization that they had come, not simply for an election to determine whether Kansas would be a free or slave state, but to fight a war over the issue.”
The “disputation,” as I read it, started with Missourian vote fraud, establishment of a illegitimate Facist state government in LeCompten, an armed action against Lawrence, and murder to support their addiction to slavery.
For more, go to the link. It discusses the violence on both sides.
I no longer post on WBTS threads except in general. There are two or three posters who nearly always show up and simply lie through their teeth. I don’t mean little lies either.
They make up some which are so ridiculous as to be amusing and yes I am sure they can find somewhere on the internet where someone else said these things are true.
Anyway it is pointless to try and debate people who are without honor. There used to be a couple of others years ago but someone finally outed them as Bill Clinton supporters and they eventually quit posting.
We all make mistakes and that is not a problem. You simply point it out and the person admits he has made one. That is not what is happening in these typical posts.
Mr. Mercat was a freshman when Wilt was playing. They had to back off from back of the basket when Wilt was going to dunk. He saw Wilt bowl once. Had pin boys then and they had to clear out. Wilt’s ball was airborne halfway down the alley.
Not only the local militia but the Union soldiers stationed in Lawrence had all their guns locked up that morning. That’s why the soldiers hid in the corn fields. No guns.
Union loyalists were very strong in the southern mountain areas. East Tennessee was a huge Union/loyalist concentration, although it did have pockets of secessionists. Many other Tennessee citizens were loyal to the Union until Lincoln asked for volunteers to fight the rebellion.
Rural West Tennessee had some pockets of very strong Unionist support in the pre-Sumter election.
That is just tooo funny. I grew up in a farming community west of KC and was only around a relatively small number of people. Just had no idea any one person could possibly be that tall. Had no idea who he was even after I knew his name. To me he was Jack from the Jack and the Beanstalk.
Proud to live in the free state of Kansas. Missouri is full of racist slavers who attend the Missouri state fair. Just ask the NAACP and Jesse Jackson who wants the Secret Service and the DOJ to investigate the Missouri slavers.
Fascinating reading about southeastern Tennessee in the Rebellion In Bradley County: http://archive.org/details/historyofrebelli00hurl
No, maybe 10, 15 years ago. But TODAY we would be told he has a different reality than we do and we must learn to accept and affirm that reality.
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