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To: Hojczyk

Great example! We need a free market!

Get the govt out of health insurance, it only causes prices to rise.


2 posted on 08/22/2013 8:01:53 AM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: Ray76
Get the govt out of health insurance, it only causes prices to rise.

That and quality to fall through the floor.

5 posted on 08/22/2013 8:05:24 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Ray76

This is what the GOP needs to talk about

put together a list of all these stories and use that as a basis for ‘change’ to the health care system

starting with putting the shopping around for bargains back in the consumers hands

FIRST and MOST IMPORTANT: When you go to a hospital or pharmacy you pay a PERCENTAGE, not a ‘co-pay’ (fixed amount that is the same no matter where you go). That way you can shop for the place that will minimize your costs.

SECOND- ALL insurance policies are for catastrophic illnessed only. I dont expect my car insurance to pay every time I go get my oil changed or spark plugs- even if I want my oil changed every week or 12 sets of new spark plugs per year. I want them to pay only when there is an accidetn. (companies are REQUIRED by the government to pay for all things)

THIRD- Shoot all medical malpractice lawyers... wait- did I say that out loud?


9 posted on 08/22/2013 8:18:45 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Ray76
“Great example! We need a free market!”

Yes, but what we are getting is so very different. In modern medicine physician fees are not the major expense. If all physicians worked for free, and nothing else at all changed, we would still see steadily increasing costs and care that is way too expensive for all but the wealthiest to pay out of pocket.

Obamacare is resulting in centralization of medical care into large hospital systems, so physicians like the ones involved in this article have less and less options to ‘shop around’ for facilities that will give their patients a break on cost. Further, private physicians are giving up on staying independent, and are joining these big hospital systems. The result is that we are creating a bureaucratic medical monopoly in which physicians have little voice, and competition is diminished.

Further, the ability of physicians to create unique new facilities, targeted to specific medical needs, has been suppressed by law. This is very problematic, and hurts the consumer, IMHO. If a bunch of oncologists, hematologists, oncological surgeons, hospitalists, and other related practitioners and allied health care personnel want to start a stand alone cancer treatment hospital, in which focused care results in better care and decreased costs, they will have a very hard time. The same would be true for cardiologists and cardiothoracic and vascular surgeons joining together to start a heart/cardiovascular hospital. These types of ventures could be very efficient, and thus increase quality at the same time they decrease costs. But they are suppressed.

Market principles are most definitely not at play.

16 posted on 08/22/2013 8:48:10 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Ray76

it all the state and fed coverage mandates that cause the rates to rise


30 posted on 08/22/2013 9:36:05 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Ray76

In this article the author made an important observation: 3rd party pay system caused the healthcare inflation. That include all the private insurance on the market today. Obamacare tries to contain the health inflation, but his direction is wrong. Instead of requiring everyone to have insurance, government should make health insurance with a deductible less than $20,000 illegal. That is only way to remove 3rd party pay system. The system before Obamacare wasn’t working, and the author knows that.


47 posted on 08/23/2013 6:07:42 AM PDT by gs03ssl (Make insurance illegal and the health cost will come down)
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