Between the opinion of a New Jersey Judge and any random bum on the street, I will probably grant the opinion of the bum more credibility than that of the Judge.
Judges are TRAINED to get it wrong.
Posted on 08/22/2013 11:52:50 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
TEAM OBAMA FLASHBACK:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.” - Obama's Fight the Smears and Factheck.org.
- See more at: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/08/bret-baier-reports-obama-cruz-not-eligible.html#idc-container
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
What about Obama’s Indonesian Citizenship?
Here is a clickable link to the webpage in the OP. Go have a look:
When Schwartzenegger was mentioned for president, the left brought up the issue of his foreign birth.
Don’t expect them to even acknowledge this.
I’ll vote for Cruz if he runs and for those who don’t like it, so I’m a hypocrite now kiss my ass.
What about his British citizenship?
“”Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.”
Interesting! It states Obama’s Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug 4, 1982 but it doesn’t mention anything about his British citizenship being renounced or expiring since the British Nationality Act of 1948 governed his birth status.
A judge in New Jersey disagreed with Charles and Bret:
Purpura & Moran v. Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/88936737/2012-04-10-NJ-Purpura-Moran-v-Obama-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin-Apuzzo
Well said...
Like the Ankney decision, this opinion is incorrect as well.
Make the democrats and RINOs eat it.
So will I. Screw the Democrats. If rules don't apply to them, they don't apply to us either.
if born in HI a citizen.
Not necessarily a natural born citizen.
must be born to citizen parents (plural)
Ping
Between the opinion of a New Jersey Judge and any random bum on the street, I will probably grant the opinion of the bum more credibility than that of the Judge.
Judges are TRAINED to get it wrong.
:) Love it!
Unless he , or any Kentyan expressed a wish to maintain status as a British subject, his British identification expired with the creation of the nation of Kenya as an independent state.
Hidden and never acknowledged by Obama or the media.
Fox News' Bret Baier: Dual Citizens Can't Be President (Finally They Get It Right!)
Thanks, CC Posse Supporter.
Yay! Another birther thread! Woohoo! Maybe this’ll be the one that finally settles the matter once and for all.
What about Hillary’s allegiance to the Island of Lesbos?
Why are they ALL OF A SUDDEN “getting” it? (Cruz?)
BUMP
The Commies at the Washington Post had 12 articles going “birther” against Cruz in 2 days.
Bum seems legit. He’s got a crayola art portfolio.
Fox. Shepbitch Smith. Bill Ohreally. Whorealdo.
I used to watch Fox. No longer. Don’t miss it.
Obama’s two election victories have mooted the original constitutional interpretation of any president being a “natural born” citizen. We are stuck with the present definition for any citizen with one foreign parent-baby born on US soil or baby born abroad and brought back here by the citizen parent for the term of some years[10?].
Obama’s fake birth certificate lists Hawaii and Cruz was back in the US as a child. Cruz is filing paperwork to be delisted as a potential Canadian. I’d vote for Cruz if he ran.
I do very much love what Ted Cruz is doing in his first term. I believe him to be a true American Patriot, but he is not a natural born citizen as I perceive the premise.
My belief is that one has to be born in this country of two citizen parents. It really is simple, and anyone that bothers to understand the philosophical premise laid down by the Founders has to agree.
In 1844, the highest court in New York ruled someone born in the USA, with 2 British subject parents, who moved to England a few months after her birth and never returned, qualified as a natural born citizen of the USA:
“And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.”
That decision was cited with approval in the US Supreme Court case Wong Kim Ark.
:-D LOL!
Yup, I suspect Krauthammer and his DC beltway attitude sees Cruz as too conservative...the reason to out him.
Cruz should not lift a finger to abrogate any claim Canada might have on him. If he does, it would dishonor the memory of the patriots who gave their lives at Lundy’s Lane, Thames River, Fort McHenry, and New Orleans. The ignorance of US History on the left and sadly the right is disheartening
The correct proposition is that a person who is born subject to the sovereignty of some head of state other than the United States is not a Natural Born Citizen and is not eligible to hold the office of President.
The disqualifying condition would usually occur because the person would be born outside the United States and thus subject to the sovereignty of the head of state of the place of birth.
Dual Citizenship per se is largely irrelevant.
Are you asserting that Uraguqay could disqualify a candidate they didn't like for President of the US by passing legislation granting such person citizenship? Of course not.
Have you considered the fact that a large part of the population of the US, is, unknown to the individual members, citizen of another country? Many Euro countries have automatic citizenship to grandchildren of departed citizens--if you have a grand parent; or grand father in some cases; you are automatically a citizen, know it or not.
More likely to be a problem? An immigrant to the US from a country which does not automatically grant citizenship to granchildren; comes to US; marries a US Citizen and applies for citizenship; they have a child before citizenship is granted thus leaving the child a dual citizen (of the US by place of birth under the 14th Amendment; of the country of origin because the parent was a citizen only of that country at the date of birth).
The child grows up and has his own son; that son is also a citizen of both countries under normal principles of international law in most cases.
Silly to focus primarily on the dual citizen question--the issue; the only issue; is sovereignty of the place of birth.
does Cruz have Canadian citizenship?
Has that even been established?
Being born there apparently does not make you a citizen automatically
anyone but a dim
I’m damn sure not going to help them use it against us after they’ve ignored and ridiculed it for the past 5 or 6 years.
It doesn’t matter who Canada considers a citizen (subject in Canada’s case). It matters who the US considers a citizen of the US. We fought the War of 1812 over the issue. The UK, which included Canada, impressed (crude way of drafting) American citizens who they still considered subjects of theirs into their armed forces. The US did not accept the proposition that one had to go through a foreign countries procedures in order to renounce citizenship of that country. The act of being a US citizen, no matter how, implies that all other citizenships are renounced. To my knowledge, the United States has considered Ted Cruz a citizen since birth. What Canada considers him is completely irrelevant, in the spirit of James Madison and Thomas Jefferson.
So thats what happened to Jon Corzine
What is amazing is that you’re irritated that Charles Lane, a leftist dupe,is just doing what he does normally and naturally. The media in general and Zero’s supporters all do what comes naturally. I think they all need to be seen as the enemy of everything that has made our nation a great constitutional republic and treated accordingly.
The Canada Citizenship Act of 1947 made Cruz a subject of the British Crown.
He was not a natural born Citizen at birth. Therefore, he is not eligible for Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution.
A natural born Citizen is never born with split allegiances.
by “treated accordingly”, I mean the old fashioned remedy of shunning. They should be shunned in daily life, shunned in primaries and shunned at the ballot box.
What about Obama’s Indonesian Citizenship?
Why do you think his college records are so sealed up.....
I’m with you. At this point we need a guy who is going to at least attempt to cut govt, pushback on the police state and start restoring the constitutional republic. Cruz is more of an American that Barky Obama will ever be.
In three and half years from nwo there isn’t going to be much left of the USA so its going to be a tough fight to bring her back. This birther issue is getting us nowhere.
>>I’ll vote for Cruz if he runs and for those who don’t like it, so I’m a hypocrite now kiss my ass.<<
Fine then. If we go down this road, don’t be surprised if the democrats run a guy with dual citizenship with Mexico or China.
Guess that’s ok with you.
The notion that the laws of a foreign country can control eligibility for office in the United States is a little far fetched.
Yup. Deal with while I sit back and laugh in your face.
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