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Sen. Pat Toomey Says Government Shutdown Is Wrong Tool Against Obamacare
CBS Philly ^ | August 21, 2013 | By David Madden

Posted on 08/22/2013 4:46:08 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

US senator Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) today was suggesting that an idea being floated in some Republican circles — to try and shut down the government to stop Obamacare — is just not the right way to go.

The ultra-conservative US senator insists the Affordable Care Act is a failure and should be defunded, if not repealed outright.

Toomey says he’ll try to take some limited action in the short run to hobble Obamacare, such as pushing for a delay in the “individual mandate.”

But if Congress tries to shut down government operations over the law, he feels, it won’t do a lot of good.

Congressman Pat Meehan (R-Pa.), representing Delaware County, joins in that sentiment. Meehan and Toomey are to convince fellow GOPers promising a showdown on Capitol Hill that their tactics will backfire on them — and their party.

(Excerpt) Read more at philadelphia.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: failure; obamacare
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1 posted on 08/22/2013 4:46:08 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Pat is starting to sound like Snarlin’ Arlen.


2 posted on 08/22/2013 4:48:29 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Shutting government down is precisely the right tool to use on an oversized, overweening, arrogant, sucking us dry government.

Toomey is also a tool, just not the right tool to cut government down to size.


3 posted on 08/22/2013 4:50:22 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Toomey, you ignorant slut!


4 posted on 08/22/2013 4:50:27 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Word on the street is that a “Hang your spine here” has been installed in both the GOP Senate and GOP house “Cloak rooms” they are instructed to hang thier spines and cajones there before proceeding to the floor
I am so over the Grand Old Party
You can all rot in hell
Freegards
LEX ( i was your base you left me)


5 posted on 08/22/2013 4:50:51 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: ought-six

Yep. Pat also likes gays in foxholes. Total squish on DADT.


6 posted on 08/22/2013 4:51:53 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Wrong Tool?

They should be using EVERY TOOL AT THEIR DISPOSAL to fight this thing. The more tools you use ...... the better the chances you will achieve your objective!

7 posted on 08/22/2013 4:52:06 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nobody has proposed shutting down the government


8 posted on 08/22/2013 4:52:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ought-six

Yes. He is becoming quite the RINO tool.


9 posted on 08/22/2013 4:52:35 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: ought-six

This is truly sad. Good Rick Santorum was routinely and viciously attacked on this premiere conservative forum for not endorsing the formerly perfect conservative, Pat Toomey. Now, well it is all different.

I wonder when conservatives here will stop the circular firing squad, or is that the game being played.


10 posted on 08/22/2013 4:52:42 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Utterly dishonest journalism on display here. Those who want to defund Obamacare don't want to shut the government down. They want to fund every penny of the government EXCEPT Obamacare.

If the House stands firm and refuses to pass any spending bill that includes funds for Obamacare, but does pass spending bills that fund everything else, the government may well shut down. But it won't be because the GOP shut it down. It will be because the Rats will have refused to fund the rest of the government unless Obamacare funding is also included. They are literally willing to shut down the government over their desire to shove Obamacare down our throats.
11 posted on 08/22/2013 4:53:16 PM PDT by arista
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nobody has proposed shutting down the government. They have proposed to not fund ObamaCare in the next CR.

BTW, whatever happened to budgets?


12 posted on 08/22/2013 4:53:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The only problem with a government shutdown is that it eventually starts back up again.


13 posted on 08/22/2013 4:53:51 PM PDT by arista
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Pat is an elite slave.


14 posted on 08/22/2013 4:54:26 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why end the 30-year-long strategic retreat? It’s working great.


15 posted on 08/22/2013 4:55:08 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you buy into the argument of the left, you lose before you start. Republicans are proposing to fund the government, not shut it down.


16 posted on 08/22/2013 4:55:53 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Pat, you ain’t foolin’ no one.

We ain’t buying the phony GOP bullsh!t, anymore.

Your party is going get swept the **** out real soon.


17 posted on 08/22/2013 5:00:29 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

toomey... toomey... yes I remember... he is a liberal republican from Pennsylvania.


18 posted on 08/22/2013 5:03:17 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Do you think the Tea party will ever realize how badly they have been played by the GOP?


19 posted on 08/22/2013 5:05:42 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

an ultra-conservative would not just rule out a shutdown for something that is and will continue to destroy the country. and oppress and wind up killing citizens.

sorry he ain’t ultra conservative. these people doggegly fight to the death for their beliefs.


20 posted on 08/22/2013 5:06:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
If you buy into the argument of the left, you lose before you start. Republicans are proposing to fund the government, not shut it down.

Pretty sad to see Toomey use the false language of the left.

Congress would pass CRs minus the funding for Obamacare. Obama would refuse to sign them and shut down the government.

21 posted on 08/22/2013 5:08:36 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: swpa_mom

When one is fired upon from those surrounding him and claiming to be friendly... then when return fire comes back upon those that have committed treason by firing upon their own troops... that response should be expected. No quarter and no mercy for any republican that tows the progressive line. My best advice to politicians of the republican persuasion... if you are innocent and do not want to be fired upon... do not stand next to a progressive republican that is firing upon his own troops.


22 posted on 08/22/2013 5:08:40 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: GeronL
BTW, whatever happened to budgets?

Thazz 'ol school, we new skool now

23 posted on 08/22/2013 5:11:08 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

bump


24 posted on 08/22/2013 5:14:28 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: swpa_mom

Because Toomey drunk the RINO koolaid on gun control and amnesty.


25 posted on 08/22/2013 5:16:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Didn't take long for the Toomescence to catch Potomac Fever.

"It's primaryin' time!"


26 posted on 08/22/2013 5:21:12 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I am soooo done voting for Republicans!

And Rush can spare me his bull sh*t about being team players, and how third parties never work...blah...blah...blah.

Tell us Rush...and Mark; what has being loyal Republicans, and team players gotten us? NOTHING, EXCEPT GETTING SCREWED EVERY TIME! Sorry, but I have some self respect left. The only political power I have is to either not vote, vote third party, or do a write in. If the GOPe and RINOs are going to destroy the country and screw we conservatives over yet again...well, they can damn well do it without me!

FUPT...and all the other limp wristed, POS, RINOs!

27 posted on 08/22/2013 5:22:12 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"US senator Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) today was suggesting that an idea being floated in some Republican circles — to try and shut down the government to stop Obamacare — is just not the right way to go."

I am beginning to think we have a bunch of idiots in congress. They are NOT talking about shutting down the government to stop Obamacare, they are saying DON'T FUND OBAMACARE, but fund the rest of the government.

28 posted on 08/22/2013 5:23:38 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: ought-six

“Pat is starting to sound like Snarlin’ Arlen.”

Starting....he jumped in bed with the rats as soon as he got the name plate on his traitorous office door. Hope we are smarter in PA than to have two hard left democrat senators!


29 posted on 08/22/2013 5:23:46 PM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Toomey is no better than Arlen. He is a waste of space and he has no reason to exist as a rep.


30 posted on 08/22/2013 5:25:32 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gun grabbing Pat is done. Stick a fork in him.


31 posted on 08/22/2013 5:29:06 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why am I supposed to be hurt if the government shuts down? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? That is a dream come true. Close it down.


32 posted on 08/22/2013 5:29:11 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
To Toomey and any other congress vermin who loudly claims "I really want to stop Obamacare, but we can't do this, and we can't do that...", please retire and move to France.

I'm sick of the mealy mouth excuses. You guys suck. You are all failures and you deserve to be spat on every time you go out in public. All of you.

You got YOUR premium health care and your super special waiver. Did I miss the press briefings where you TURNED IT DOWN? Did I miss where you declared, "Whats good for American workers is good enough for us?" Nope. You worms don't do anything but moan and whine and complain and posture.

You aren't going to do anything to stop Obamacare because you can't. You are impotent cowering fools, unable to accomplish even the smallest task. You can't even be bothered to READ the legislation to vote on.

If anyone in the real working world was as pathetic at their job they would have been unceremoniously fired and forgotten.

If America really does fall into a period of chaos and all you slime ball politicians crawl into your DC safe bunker, it would be ok with me if someone came along and dumped a hundred thousand pounds of concrete right in front of your exit door. You can stay in there until you remember whats more important than padding your bank accounts and accumulating political points.

33 posted on 08/22/2013 5:30:54 PM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Tool, eh?

Takes one to know one.


34 posted on 08/22/2013 5:33:15 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So Sen. Toomey is “ultra-conservative.” Does the press ever call Pres. Obama an “ultra-liberal?” Another recent report referred to Sen. Cruz as “far-right leaning.” Ever heard of a far-left leaning senator?


35 posted on 08/22/2013 5:33:51 PM PDT by buridan
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To: swpa_mom
"Good Rick Santorum was routinely and viciously attacked on this premiere conservative forum for not endorsing the formerly perfect conservative, Pat Toomey. Now, well it is all different."

Yes, Rick has been unfairly savaged for his reluctant support of Specter. As it turns out, Rick was prudent. Better to go with the devil you know.

36 posted on 08/22/2013 5:38:16 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: jospehm20

He is simply letting the libs set the agenda through speech......again. It is what Republicans do.


37 posted on 08/22/2013 5:45:07 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Toomey is a disappointment...I certainly won’t vote for him again.

the entire Congress should be replace..many have been there too long..they all DO NOTHING, other than collect a pay check.


38 posted on 08/22/2013 5:49:56 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sen Pat Toomey is a tool...he must’ve had some dirt that 0’s NSA goons dug up.


39 posted on 08/22/2013 5:53:19 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Unlike the last time, the "people" will actually enjoy the govt shutdown. This scares the hell out of the RATS and the GOPe since the Tea Party would get the credit for it, galvanizing the Tea Party base.

remember, the GOPe and the RATS are both scared of the Tea Party and an enemy of my enemy is my friend. therefor, the GOPe and the RATS are BOTH saying the shutdown would be a bad thing.

Think about it.

40 posted on 08/22/2013 6:11:16 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The problem is......there is absolutely no consensus on a perfect conservative. People, individually,were attacked by other conservatives for supporting those the attackers did not like. This is how the left has defeated us. They did not hold out for their perfect liberal, instead, they moved a little further left with each election. We, on the other hand, fight among ourselves insisting for immediate perfection.


41 posted on 08/22/2013 6:42:41 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom

None of us are not looking for perfection. He or she does not exist. What we will not tolerate is republicans that come home and run on sound republican principles and the tenants of Conservatism and then govern by turning their back on those things and by breaking their promises to those that voted them into office. We will not tolerate those that would ignore the Constitution just to reach a compromise for the sake of passing any legislation. Their job is to govern a representative republic and to represent the people that sent them to DC in the first place... not to serve a party or even themselves... and to be quite honest... in my lifetime... I can count the number of truly honest people that have run or could run for president as a republican on one hand... and even then I would have some extra digits that would get lonely.

LLS


42 posted on 08/22/2013 6:49:40 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: haircutter; All

Did any of you read what he said? A liberal media outlet suggests many “ifs” and has Toomey respond.

Now, some of you are going to vote for a second dem senator for PA.

Daily, when I read these forums, I really don’t know what to think. Good conservatives are attacked many of you claim that you will never vote for a republican.......,Santorum lost his seat to the glee of so many of you.....there is zero consensus even among the regular and frequent posters here when it comes to the ultimate conservative today. So, instead, we have the left continuing to gain strength due to the conservative split.


43 posted on 08/22/2013 6:53:26 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: LibLieSlayer

But you sre tolerating Obama because it just would have been so wrong to have President Romney, huh?


44 posted on 08/22/2013 7:03:08 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Put together a budget and let the demonkrats vote it down. I think it is time to let them take the heat. Cut the taxes down to a luxury tax or a flat tax. Let the clown in chief run his mouth while he is wasting millions on his vacations and stupid ass bus tour.


45 posted on 08/22/2013 7:13:32 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: swpa_mom

May I honestly ask you why you would say that?

I did vote for that north east baby killing statist named romney... I actually donated to his campaign because Jim himself asked FReepers to do so. I will swear that if the republicans nominate christie, jeb bush, huntsman or any other progressive gop/e candidate... I will help to start a third party and I will work equally hard to destroy both the republican and democrat parties. I have never in my life voted for anyone other than a republican... but I gave the gop one last chance with romney and they proved for the last time that a liberal republican cannot win the Presidency. That is not looking for perfection... that is looking for a Republican candidate and not some progressive leftist republican in name only.


46 posted on 08/22/2013 7:19:34 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: swpa_mom

toomey reached across the isle and partnered with Senator manchin (dim) and co-sponsored a disgusting anti-second Amendment bill and he also voted to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. No true Conservative would do that... only a man that sways with the political winds. Where does one draw the line?


47 posted on 08/22/2013 7:27:37 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

but geez, Rick Santorum was skewered by the good conservatives on this very forum, the premiere conservative forum on the internet, for NOT endorsing Pat Toomey.

Isn’t that something.


48 posted on 08/22/2013 7:50:28 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: ought-six

Our rep had a townhall tonight which we attended. He said the GOP had a big conference call this afternoon and Boehner and the leadership want to draw the line at the debt ceiling vote so I assume they are sending out the reps to sell it to us. Most of the folks at the townhall tonight were not buying it and very vocally.


49 posted on 08/22/2013 7:50:48 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Then, get out there and support your candidate. In the last election, EVERY SINGLE CONSERVATIVE was attacked at will here, on the premiere conservative forum on the internet. He or she was claimed to be not good enough and if I had a penny for every time someone here typed........”teach the party a lesson”, well, I could really take a nice long vacation.

There’s way too much running down good people on our side and frankly, and this is a great example.........the liberal media reports something and so many here, on the premiere conservative forum on the internet run with it and use it against a conservative.

As I said, the liberals have defeated us. They all get behind the eventual candidate, even though they have differences. They were willing to take baby steps toward the left. We, on the other hand will have no part of that. We must all agree (with whatever issue is at the forefront on that given day) or ELSE, well, we’ll teach that party a lesson, huh? (adds a penny to the growing vacation fund)


50 posted on 08/22/2013 7:55:26 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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