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Allen West: The Gangster Culture Is the Real Race Conversation that We Need to be Having
Pajamas Media ^ | 08/23/2013 | Bryan Preston

Posted on 08/23/2013 9:16:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Our own Col. Allen West appeared on Hannity last night and took on the gansta culture that appears to have heavily influenced the murder of Chris Lane in Oklahoma one week ago today. West, who hosts at our sister site Next Generation TV along with John Phillips and Michelle Fields, told substitute host David Webb. “It is a gangster culture out there. It is a culture that is being permeated throughout the media, and throughout the entertainment industry, that we need to start speaking out about. And furthermore, when you think about the fact that 72% of black babies are being born out of wedlock, this is the…second and third order effects that we have seen in the inner city, in the black community, and in other communities where it’s spilling over. So that is the real conversation that we need to start having,” West said. He noted that “when I was 15, when I was 16, my parents ensured that I was not bored.” The teens accused of shooting Chris Lane in the back claim that they killed him out of boredom.

Juan Williams responded, “Let me be blunt, where are the civil rights leaders? Why aren’t we hearing from the civil rights leaders out there leading marches and protests against violence, against the drug dealers, against the bad schools, saying to young women, ‘Hey, this is madness’” before citing out-of-wedlock birth statistics among white, Hispanic and black babies. Williams slammed Jesse Jackson for criticizing President Obama when he tried to speak on the issue of the fractured black family. Williams charged that “I just think that is another sign that these people are all in bed, literally sometimes, with the pornographers, you know, a blind eye to the drug dealers, a blind eye to the people who tell you ‘It’s thug life, or no life.’”

A father in Duncan, OK, where the three teens allegedly killed Chris Lane, has said that the boys had tried to recruit his son into the Crips, and threatened him when he resisted.

Williams continued: “I just think this is a tragedy, and they’re always playing the victimization card.” He also noted that black men are killing other black men in massive numbers, “and that gets almost no attention.”

Webb asked LTC West (USA-ret) what we do about the gangster culture and the fractured black family.

West responded, “I think we have to go into the ‘hood. Look, I was brought up in the inner city of Atlanta, Georgia, the same neighborhood that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was born and raised in. Now we’re going to have the 50th anniversary of Dr. King’s ‘I Have a Dream’ speech next week. I wonder how many leaders are going to stand up and challenge and speak, just as Juan just did, and bring up some of the points that I did, to say that we’re not fulfilling that dream? As a matter of fact, we’re going backwards.” West offered to go into inner city neighborhoods and historically black colleges with Williams to talk about issues facing the black community, and Williams praised West, while warning him that even Bill Cosby came under fierce criticism from civil rights leaders when he spoke out on these issues.

West, who served 22 years in the United States Army and served in combat in Iraq before being elected to Congress, isn’t likely to back down in the face of critics. He told Williams: “I’ve really been shot at, and so the words and the barbs, they don’t bother me.”

Watch the exchange here.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Florida; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: allenwest; blackcrime; blackculture; chrislane; crips; culture; florida; gangster; lane; oklahoma; west

1 posted on 08/23/2013 9:16:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

the obvious solution to the problem of black youths being viewed as a problem is to get black youths to stop being a problem.

but my college profs would tell you it’s “white privilege”.


2 posted on 08/23/2013 9:18:02 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The man that started that web site works for the Department of Homeland Security, and had to ask for PERMISSION FROM the Department of Homeland Security BEFORE he put the site up.
The Department of Homeland Security APPROVED him to put the site up!

Wait!
What?!?!?!

So Mr. Race War on the Horizon is the guy who is buying up all the Bullets!?!!

My G-d!

Check this site out:


3 posted on 08/23/2013 9:19:34 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind

Careful Colonel West - you’ll end up on Obama’s list.


4 posted on 08/23/2013 9:19:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: TurboZamboni

I’d say the solution is a shoulder holster carry S&W Governor loaded thusly: First two rounds, .410 Triple Plate Defenders, then two-moon clip of 45 ACP DRTs, 2 each Defender Hollow Point 45 LC cartridges....


5 posted on 08/23/2013 9:22:25 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

Allen who?


6 posted on 08/23/2013 9:23:09 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: SeekAndFind

Juan Williams responded, “Let me be blunt, where are the civil rights leaders? Why aren’t we hearing from the civil rights leaders out there leading marches and protests against violence, against the drug dealers, against the bad schools, saying to young women, ‘Hey, this is madness’”
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Juans Question is easily answered, but before I aswer it let me ask Juan why he isn’t bringing this up himself more often. Juan is just playing along with West here and not sincerely into the question. Juan isn’t fooling anyone, he is as racist as the rest

Now let me answer the question of where are the black leaders/.

THERE AINT NO MONEY IN IT JUAN.

Jesse and Al are in it for the bucks. They don’t give a flying fug about black youth and killings. They are into bringing in the bucks without having to work for a living.

If there is money in it Al and Jesse are right there.


7 posted on 08/23/2013 9:24:45 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: TurboZamboni

In the minds of your college profs. Disregard them.


8 posted on 08/23/2013 9:30:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SeekAndFind

But as usual, the liberals will see the elephant sh#t in the room but will ignore the elephant.


9 posted on 08/23/2013 9:31:49 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I do not think so!


10 posted on 08/23/2013 9:32:02 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SeekAndFind
Juan, the reason black men killing other black men gets no mention is the same as why black crimes against whites get no mention, unless it creates an international incident: crimes by blacks run counter to the perpetually aggrieved race-batier's agenda.

Every black death by a black perp is on the head of the race industry. When will the likes of you hold them to account?

11 posted on 08/23/2013 9:33:45 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: SeekAndFind
We are in a pickle now. In some cases there are two, three, or four generations of people raised with poor or bad parenting. They don't know how to raise children, even if they wanted to.
The next level would be the black churches but they are corrupted also with their hate whitey distortions of the bible.
The schools have made some efforts but have given up.
The responsibility falls on the government. Which brings us to Obama, Holder, & co.
12 posted on 08/23/2013 9:36:35 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM...



BIRTH TO UNWED MOTHERS...

13 posted on 08/23/2013 9:37:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Venturer
rie awn rite awn RITE AWN!

neither jesse nor al are in the position to be civil rights leaders....they REALLY dont know how to run anything...but their MOUTHS




14 posted on 08/23/2013 9:39:25 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Gaffer

That’s only a solution to the thug.

The solution to the thug culture is worth thinking about.

For me this is the question:

“Why are black, inner city families broken….why do these families have gun violence, high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rate, drug use, dependence on welfare/food stamps?”

It’s too easy to say that kids are thugs because they don’t have fathers and mothers guiding them. I think that’s true, but it doesn’t answer the question.

WHY are they broken?

I think it’s because we have left the spring of living water, and this is the consequence, and consequences are often punishment.

Why has God NOT granted us healing?

Because His people are arrogant and given to wicked ways and will not humble themselves before Him and His wisdom.

God’s People are at one of those times when THEY think THEY know better.


15 posted on 08/23/2013 9:39:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gangster Culture is not a culture, it is an “Anit-Culture”


16 posted on 08/23/2013 9:39:42 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

Preach It, Brother!


17 posted on 08/23/2013 9:41:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind
we must much continue to work for EQUITY in the field of Single Motherhood of that be assured!!




18 posted on 08/23/2013 9:42:48 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey

It’s kept them living in a grand style for a long time.


19 posted on 08/23/2013 9:42:51 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: MeshugeMikey

20 posted on 08/23/2013 9:43:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

and illegitimacy in the black community


21 posted on 08/23/2013 9:44:21 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: xzins
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil ..."

Al cant BE a REAL preacher...NO WAY!!

say amen sumbuddy!!





22 posted on 08/23/2013 9:45:29 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: xzins

I guess I agree re: result/cause thing. However, no solution is possible, even in the remotest sense, when you have an Attorney General who REFUSES to classify black-on-white crime (HIS people) as a hate crime. It is much more exacerbated by a President that has to put his two cents in as a ‘black’ whenever a black commits an obvious wrong and then promptly absolves them with a “could have been my son”, while completely and obviously ignoring any crime against whites by blacks.

Both of these boys/supposed to be men are nothing more than a dried up dog turd on a summer lawn.


23 posted on 08/23/2013 9:45:41 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Venturer
I dont OWN this suit Om wearin or this Rolex Watch !! ......Al Sharpton 1990 something



AL has never put his MONEY....or anybody elses where his MOUF is!


24 posted on 08/23/2013 9:47:32 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: TurboZamboni
but my college profs would tell you it’s “white privilege”.

Yeah. The privilege of not being peer pressured to become part of the black gangsta culture.

Sure there are white kids that emulate it, but they are doing it as an act of rebellion.

The black kids are doing it as a means of social acceptance by peers.

25 posted on 08/23/2013 9:53:48 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: xzins

Without Jesus Christ, there will be no healing. With him all things are possible.


26 posted on 08/23/2013 9:56:34 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The whole left operates under HIDE THE DECLINE syndrome under the false assumption if you pretend it doesn’t exist, maybe it will go away. Ah, MSM THAT AIN’T WORKING.


27 posted on 08/23/2013 10:03:26 AM PDT by spawn44 ( MOO)
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To: ilovesarah2012

West is the bomb!

He’s right… why wait for the government to step in and resolve this for you?

Where is the minority leadership?

Minority pastors need to step up to the pulpit and, INSTEAD of preaching how to defy authority and how to hate whitey to churchgoers who WILL NOT ASSIMILATE, they should talk to them about personal responsibility?

I’ll tell you where the minority community IS on this-because I KNOW first hand.

I grew up in a mixed neighborhood so I am NOT inventing this.

Every single Sunday these ‘Sunday-Go-To Meet’n’ people compete with one another buying the latest and most gaudy hats, suits and extreme apparel… just to go to church. They get themselves all tricked out for church AS IF THAT is what going to church IS. Why? When, all the rest of the week they go around acting just like they never saw the inside of a church????

Their daughters begin bearing children out of wedlock from the age of 12 and no one bats an eye… boys break the law, drop out of school, get into gangs, etc… and no one CARES because everyone kids are doing the same!!!!!!!!!

It’s like it’s ‘expected’ and ‘necessary’, because THAT means you are now grown up.

When I was in college, the lady across the street asked my mother why I didn’t have any children. Mom said, ‘My daughter isn’t married’. The neighbor laughed out loud in my mothers face… as if to say… ‘what a stupid answer!’

They made fun of my brother and me (and all the other white kids) because we carried books back and forth to school and got a gold star on our paper.


28 posted on 08/23/2013 10:06:20 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: TurboZamboni

Excellent point.

I will say this until y’all get so tired of me you chuck me off of this board. We have a problem in that in the battle between God and Satan, we’ve been rooting for the one that is the little runt in the sight of the other one.

Now this is happening today in the white culture too, but differently. It’s more like “don’t bother me, I’ll get my own and live a nice private life” there. In the black culture it’s “let’s go wild.” I’m not here to say that either is worse, but that both are bad and invite the devil, which again is a little runt in God’s eyes. We cannot be arguing over whose hole in the bottom of the boat is worse. Fix both holes!!

We need to recenter on the actual God of creation. That God is allowing all this trouble so that one day we will say yes to “Miss Me yet?”


29 posted on 08/23/2013 10:07:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I blame Facebook and Twitter, and pop culture, like hip-hop, and gangsta’ rap, and gangs, and public schools, and the media, and absent parents, welfarism, drugs, and all the excuses made for bad behavior, all the times a blind eye has been turned towards black racism, hatred and violence for fear of the truth teller sounding racist.

Black people own this problem. They are the only people who should be blamed for it, but they aren’t going to solve it. All the black bobble heads, like Jesse and Al, Obama, Holder, and Oprah, the hate preachers and black Muslims, all of them, ...do nothing but make things worse, by encouraging or excusing.

I see a lot of violent cowards with nothing to fear. Give them something to fear.


30 posted on 08/23/2013 10:12:48 AM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

Yup give them something to fear... God.


31 posted on 08/23/2013 10:13:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"give them something to fear... God."

I grew up in the deep South and have a lot of sympathy for the unlucky people imprisoned in the ghettos. My folks would drive thru those horrible places on Easter Sunday and laugh at their garish clothing. My childhood memories are scarred by that bit of racism.

Look, there's bad behavior on both sides. Who knows if we whites might develop the same lifelong resentment and bitterness if we were in their skin. I do know Jesus said to "visit the prisons."

Maybe each white church should adopt a black family and nurture it along, teaching the kids to read, helping them with job skills, being role models, etc. Gotta start somewhere.

32 posted on 08/23/2013 10:52:52 AM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping for reference


33 posted on 08/23/2013 10:55:01 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Liberty Wins

Ah, anything along those lines, an outreach in the name of our Lord, would help.

I try to be as heavenly as I can towards the sourest people of any color that I meet (though that doesn’t mean being complacent towards clearly spiritually destructive behavior... I will boldly challenge cursing, or drinking oneself to death, for example, telling them if I can that God deserves better). This almost looks “liberal” except that it’s rooted squarely in God’s exaltation. This is the key element that dropped out of the liberal picture and turned it into the worldly mess it is now.


34 posted on 08/23/2013 11:00:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Mashood
Allen who?

Where have you been?



35 posted on 08/23/2013 11:38:43 AM PDT by rdb3 (Be aware that when it hits the fan, it won't be evenly spread.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Allen West pointed me to Zo. Check him out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9Vv0M07CAXs


36 posted on 08/23/2013 11:43:10 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Amen!


37 posted on 08/23/2013 1:09:30 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: wardaddy

Indeed. I’d say they go hand and hand.


38 posted on 08/23/2013 2:30:16 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: pallis

Amen!


39 posted on 08/24/2013 3:19:59 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: xzins

Why are teen girls having kids outside of marriage?

Because they can.

We’re looking at it backwards. Young girls WILL have sex and get pregnant unless there is a strong disincentive against it. Welfare and court-enforced child support means they can have kids without the bother of havingto keep a guy happy.

Eliminate welfare and child support for unmarried births, and teen pregnancy will go back down to what they were.


40 posted on 08/24/2013 3:31:11 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Hold the pig steady)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Biology is certainly a factor, and so are welfare payments, at least to the first generation of poverty mommas.

But after that they’ve got to see the downward spiral, the lack, the difficulty of no father in the mix who cares, and the abject lack of hope.

So, “Why are black families broken?” is still a question I’m thinking about. Right now it ties to “Why now so much, and why in the past not so much.”

We have been given over to our nature.


41 posted on 08/24/2013 5:26:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

In the past, unmarried girls who got pregnant had to be supported by their families and relatives. It gave the whole extended family an incentive to ensure it didn’t happen, and to tell young girls the bad fate that would await them if it did happen.

Civilization is all about parents instructing kids about consequences. Remove the consequences, and the kids stop listening.

If girls knew they would have to support the baby by going out and getting a job (or starve), they would stop having babies outside marriage to a steadily employed man.


42 posted on 08/24/2013 5:38:50 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Hold the pig steady)
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To: SauronOfMordor

There are plenty of cultures and times where reproduction bore no relationship to the ability to provide.

Given over to their nature.


43 posted on 08/24/2013 5:42:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.


44 posted on 08/24/2013 7:46:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Now we’re going to have the 50th anniversary of Dr. King’s ‘I Have a Dream’ speech next week. I wonder how many leaders are going to stand up and challenge and speak, just as Juan just did, and bring up some of the points that I did, to say that we’re not fulfilling that dream? As a matter of fact, we’re going backwards.” West offered to go into inner city neighborhoods and historically black colleges with Williams to talk about issues facing the black community, and Williams praised West, while warning him that even Bill Cosby came under fierce criticism from civil rights leaders when he spoke out on these issues.

West, who served 22 years in the United States Army and served in combat in Iraq before being elected to Congress, isn’t likely to back down in the face of critics. He told Williams: “I’ve really been shot at, and so the words and the barbs, they don’t bother me.”

It appears 'the conversation' about race is starting. Hats off to both these good men... even if Williams is a liberal...

45 posted on 08/24/2013 7:53:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (Young black men -- 3% of the population -- commit 50% of the murders in this society.)
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To: Yosemitest

That’s what’s called a target if SHTF.


46 posted on 08/24/2013 7:56:56 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Yosemitest
I clicked on one of the links yesterday to this site - said it was down. Then I checked my cookies - and sure enough there was a cookie from the site. I suspect that's easy to do with the equipment from the Department of Homeland Security. Is this dude using their stuff to push his hate? I'd like to know. Too bad the New York Times isn't a real paper... it'd be a cool story.
47 posted on 08/24/2013 12:40:49 PM PDT by GOPJ (Young black men -- 3% of the population -- commit 50% of the murders in this society.)
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To: GOPJ; Darren McCarty
Here's more information on the exact guilty person who was directing the purchase of all those bullets. And from Fox News:
Let's get the "TARGET" correct.
48 posted on 08/24/2013 10:20:09 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
The man that started that web site works for the Department of Homeland Security, and had to ask for PERMISSION FROM the Department of Homeland Security BEFORE he put the site up. The Department of Homeland Security APPROVED him to put the site up! Wait! What?!?!?! So Mr. Race War on the Horizon is the guy who is buying up all the Bullets!?!! My G-d!

The Department of Homeland Security seems intent on going after the political enemies of Obama. They've 'forgotten' the American people set them up to protect us from the people who killed 3,000 American on September 11th. The jerks were NOT set up to go after conservative American citizens. This is beyond Nixonian...

49 posted on 08/25/2013 1:18:20 PM PDT by GOPJ (Young black men -- 3% of the population -- commit 50% of the murders in this society.)
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