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California Begins Confiscating Legally-Purchased Guns
http://downtrend.com ^ | august 23, 2013 | Travis Melvin

Posted on 08/23/2013 4:44:37 PM PDT by lowbridge

It is not surprising that the first police raids to take legally-purchased firearms from citizens are in California. Until recently, the state had the strictest gun control laws and the liberal run state government has always looked unfavorably on the Second Amendment.

Earlier this year, the state legislature expanded the list of what they call “prohibited persons” – people who have legally registered a firearm but, for various reasons, are no longer allowed their Second Amendment rights. These reasons were expanded to include people who are behind on state taxes, did not pay toll fees in a “timely” manner and a wide range of other minor misdemeanors or reported mental health concerns.

In preparation for the crackdown, the state authorized $24 million to hire additional officers to track down 20,000 people on the list. One person on this list was Joe Mendez.

A police officer came to the door and lured Mendez out of his house with a story of a hit and run report. Once outside, he had M16s pointed within inches of his face, was taken into custody and had all weapons removed from his house.

It is important to remember that these were legally- purchased and registered firearms.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment
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1 posted on 08/23/2013 4:44:38 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Registered, that is the operative word.


2 posted on 08/23/2013 4:47:13 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: lowbridge
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

3 posted on 08/23/2013 4:47:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: lowbridge

people are gonna die


4 posted on 08/23/2013 4:47:31 PM PDT by Principled
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To: lowbridge

The cops are wearing bright redcoats.


5 posted on 08/23/2013 4:49:56 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: lowbridge

This is going to end sooooo Badly.


6 posted on 08/23/2013 4:53:15 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: bunkerhill7

“The cops are wearing bright redcoats.”

Don’t target the cops.

Make politicians afraid to leave the compounds where the people have them surrounded and await them..mad people...people who regard them as the liberal vermin they are.


7 posted on 08/23/2013 4:53:39 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: lowbridge
Registration, confiscation, tyranny.
8 posted on 08/23/2013 4:54:15 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: lowbridge

Oh, a blog!


9 posted on 08/23/2013 4:54:52 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: lowbridge
California gun owners beware: you’re firearms and rights are being confiscated by your liberal politicians.

This topic is SO important, I just cannot believe that Mr. Travis, the author, cares so little for his important article that he made SUCH a foolish grammar error, there.

Sorry to be picky, but that simply makes gun owners seem STUPID.

10 posted on 08/23/2013 4:58:23 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: lowbridge
"the state legislature expanded the list of what they call 'prohibited persons'"

That was begun, when both political parties passed and funded the VAWA against fathers during the '90s. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


11 posted on 08/23/2013 4:59:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: lowbridge

police officer came to the door and lured Mendez out of his house with a story of a hit and run report.
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Some people believe the police will not act to confiscate legal weapons from citizens in violation of the Constitution.

I hope this proves the fallacy of thinking like that. Police are a part of Obama Gestapo. They will do as they are told or they will lose their rights-—and their jobs.

Of course lies like this will cease to work shortly, and some people will tell police to go fugg themselves in which case people will die.

If we want protection we must band together or surely we will die separately.
I predict a time when a policeman riding in his car is the target of people who have been done wrong.
I can see police lured into traps.

Things are going to get rough.


12 posted on 08/23/2013 4:59:53 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: lowbridge

Now tell me all you Kalifornia FReepers why you still continue to live behind enemy lines.


13 posted on 08/23/2013 4:59:58 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: lowbridge
"California gun owners beware: you’re firearms and rights are being confiscated by your liberal politicians" the more influential constituents who control politicians on all sides.


14 posted on 08/23/2013 5:06:00 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

“Mendez...had M16s pointed within inches of his face, was taken into custody and had all weapons removed from his house.”

The manner of the arrest is as disturbing as the CA governments disregard of our 2nd Amendment rights. Military style dressed & armed police pointing loaded guns in your face to take firearms registered by law for reasons as fake as back taxes! Tyranny is here and in our faces.


15 posted on 08/23/2013 5:06:05 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: lowbridge

It is a strange article that avoids telling us where in California this occured, and precisely when as well why. What of the alleged offenses listed IOW did Joe do to have his weapons removed from his house. Also did the law enforcers have warrants?

I’ve read other articles about California gun confiscations, so I believe it, but if this article were the only one I’d read I’d have to question it as I am.


16 posted on 08/23/2013 5:06:14 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: lowbridge

This is how they do it. They do what they want. They give it a nice sounding name. They deny doing what they do. They keep on doing it.


17 posted on 08/23/2013 5:08:28 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Fascism is wrong even when practiced by the government.)
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To: lowbridge

When will they start confiscating the gangs guns?

Yep, what I thought.


18 posted on 08/23/2013 5:11:34 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

.......wow!......isn’t this sorta where California conservatives of all stripes are? (I.E. Solzhenitsyn’s remarks)


19 posted on 08/23/2013 5:17:31 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: gaijin

It’s poor editing. In a case like this, with serious charges being made, life changing charges, the poor editing makes me wonder just a little about the veracity of everything else.

When did this story happen? What is the update? Were there any legal challenges made by the homeowner? Pro Bono? Through what agency or law firm? Did his neighbors have a similar experience?I hope it’s an exaggeration, or new urban rumor, but time will tell. I still plan to take firearms training, downtown, before THAT gets restricted too.


20 posted on 08/23/2013 5:18:46 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This should be required reading in college, replacing “Lesbians in History: Our Changing Past”.


21 posted on 08/23/2013 5:22:35 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: lowbridge

i hope the citizens of california revolt and take back their rights and install proper constitutional government.


22 posted on 08/23/2013 5:23:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Yes, and being reported almost nowhere else.


23 posted on 08/23/2013 5:29:26 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: lowbridge
Earlier this year, the state legislature expanded the list of what they call “prohibited persons” – people who have legally registered a firearm but, for various reasons, are no longer allowed their Second Amendment rights. These reasons were expanded to include people who are behind on state taxes, did not pay toll fees in a “timely” manner and a wide range of other minor misdemeanors or reported mental health concerns.

OK, I'm not seeing it, and the author didn't link to any supporting documentation in his full piece.

24 posted on 08/23/2013 5:31:21 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: gaijin

Don’t be concerned about blasphemers of how WE spell.

Be concerned about blasphemers of the GOSPEL.

(OK, pun intended)


25 posted on 08/23/2013 5:32:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: lowbridge

I tried to do a little research, but didn’t have much luck. All of the stories about this guy are all essentially the same, and I can seem to get any more information. What city did this take place in? Is the guy’s name really “Joe”, or some variant? What did he do to get on the list in the first place? I know a lot of people who shouldn’t have access to guns - maybe Joe is one of them, but we’ll never know without some more details.


26 posted on 08/23/2013 5:32:38 PM PDT by stormer
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To: lee martell

It’s common today with the computer being trusted to locate the errors. Some editors like Microsoft Word are pretty good about singling out grammar problems. Others can only flag spelling errors.

We are having a problem with evil spells that have nothing to do with spelling.


27 posted on 08/23/2013 5:33:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: arbitrary.squid

... and a bad blog at that.


28 posted on 08/23/2013 5:33:49 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: SVTCobra03
Now tell me all you Kalifornia FReepers why you still continue to live behind enemy lines.

We're ALL behind enemy lines now, genius. You think your state is safe? I laugh at your naivete.
29 posted on 08/23/2013 5:33:56 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: lowbridge
These reasons were expanded to include people who are behind on state taxes, did not pay toll fees in a “timely” manner and a wide range of other minor misdemeanors or reported mental health concerns.

You can have your guns taken away if you're late on your Fast-Trak? Seems a little harsh.

30 posted on 08/23/2013 5:38:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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To: lowbridge

I see some bait-and-switch in this story: The author says you can get your guns taken if you’re late on your Fast-Trak (toll roads), but does not say what Mendez’s problem is. Is he a wife-beater? Doesn’t say. A felon? Doesn’t say. On probation? Bail? Doesn’t say.

Maybe it’s an excerpting thing....


31 posted on 08/23/2013 5:43:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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To: Lion Den Dan
Registered, that is the operative word.

"Shoot back" - that's the coming operative phrase. Until the JBTs start coming home in body bags, they'll continue to oppress.

Do you want to start climbing up into that boxcar voluntarily, or do you intend to mimic the Jews of Warsaw and fight back?

32 posted on 08/23/2013 5:46:52 PM PDT by meyer (What would John Hancock do?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Perhaps California citizens don’t care about personal rights — they’d rather have the State cuddle and breastfeed them.

Just look at the numbnuts they put in office.


33 posted on 08/23/2013 5:53:53 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: 353FMG

there’s a good part of the state that would love to secede fom the lower half, essentially.


34 posted on 08/23/2013 5:55:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: lowbridge

Dang. They’re using Nazi tactics now. Not lookin’ good for the American side.


35 posted on 08/23/2013 6:23:56 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Former Rodeo Clown Sensitivity Training class valedictorian.)
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To: lowbridge

It’s been quite awhile since I missed the beaches.


36 posted on 08/23/2013 6:30:19 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

As things stand at this moment, the most effective way to revolt is to move to some other state as soon as possible.


37 posted on 08/23/2013 6:33:20 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Lion Den Dan; All

As predicted:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/gun-registration-is-gun-confiscation.html


38 posted on 08/23/2013 6:53:39 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: lowbridge

When it is time to bury your guns, perhaps it is time to use them instead.


39 posted on 08/23/2013 6:56:51 PM PDT by DNME ( Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: theBuckwheat

the best thing to do is buy up a good rural property in a good 2a state. let the lib states and liberal-run cities implode under their own insane policies.


40 posted on 08/23/2013 7:05:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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41 posted on 08/23/2013 7:10:15 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Principled

Oh yeah, nobody’s died - yet. And I’m betting that the vast majority of people in CA will think nothing of this. And in one, two or five years, they will be gathered around a campfire in a FEMA camp, wondering how it ever got this way.

Welcome to Acirema, where everything is upside down. The only person to blame is the one looking back from the mirror.


42 posted on 08/23/2013 7:19:02 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Da Coyote

When it becomes personal, when the people find out where the pols and chiefs of police, DA’s live, eat and drink, go to church, etc., then, as in Ireland under Michael Collins, things will take on a different tone.


43 posted on 08/23/2013 8:03:41 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: DPMD

We live in interesting times. Clever resistance can stretch a tyrant and the minions awfully thin.


44 posted on 08/23/2013 8:18:53 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: All

It’s a pretty long list, but my quick scan of it didn’t find back taxes or late toll fees on it...

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/prohibcatmisd.pdf


45 posted on 08/23/2013 10:48:30 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Da Coyote

Don’t target the cops.


You have to target the cops.....period!

They are not drafted into the police force. They have the right to leave at will. They know full well that they are violating the Second Amendment and the rights granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

That statement you cite is the same as “don’t target the Nazi troops.” The principle is the same except the Nazi troops didn’t have the choice to leave.


46 posted on 08/24/2013 5:02:33 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: lowbridge
The tree of Liberty is severely dehydrated in California
47 posted on 08/24/2013 5:52:19 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Da Coyote
“The cops are wearing bright redcoats.”

Don’t target the cops.

Why not? It is the cops that are out in the neighborhoods doing the evil deeds. I'd say they are carrying great big targets.

All the people who keep saying that the cops are on our side, and won't take people's guns are full of it. The cops are on their/b> side.

48 posted on 08/24/2013 11:14:51 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I see some bait-and-switch in this story: The author says you can get your guns taken if you’re late on your Fast-Trak (toll roads), but does not say what Mendez’s problem is. Is he a wife-beater? Doesn’t say. A felon? Doesn’t say. On probation? Bail? Doesn’t say.

I fail to see where that matters. The consitution says "shall not be infringed" it doesn't say, "except for wife-beaters, or felons", or any of a thousand other ways too many have bought the big lie that they have the power to regulate our bearing of arms.

49 posted on 08/24/2013 11:21:02 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: zeugma

You and I may have good objections to those “Statutory causes” on constitutional grounds, but at the moment our opinion doesn’t matter to anybody but us. What does matter is what are the CA Statutory restrictions, and did they really increase them dramatically recently as the author claims?

Is the author’s example case somebody who had been restricted for years based on Statutes that have existed a long time? Doesn’t say. Was he late on his Fast-Trak payment, as the author now claims is a gun-grabbing offense? Doesn’t say. In that light, this article reads less like news and more like agitprop.


50 posted on 08/24/2013 11:29:58 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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