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Push to defund ObamaCare big test for DeMint at Heritage and rest of Republicans
FOX News ^ | Aug 24, 2013 | By Joseph Weber

Posted on 08/24/2013 2:16:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint unexpectedly quit Congress this winter, saying essentially that he could better advance the conservative cause as president of the Heritage Foundation think tank than in Congress.

Roughly eight months later, DeMint has no doubt pressed Congress, and House Republicans in particular, to take a conservative stance on such issues as the Farm Bill and President Obama’s health care law.

Heritage and DeMint won at least a partial victory on the recent Farm Bill vote, getting the House to split funding for food stamps from the rest of the bill but saying more reform is needed on the billions being spent on crop subsidies and other programs. And votes of sequestration, the debt limit and immigration are also on the near horizon.

But DeMint’s biggest challenges to date appears to lie in the weeks ahead when Congress returns in two weeks to vote on a temporary spending bill, which DeMint hopes will not include money for ObamaCare.

“We know that ObamaCare is unfair,” DeMint has said repeatedly over the past few months, as dismantling the law has emerged as a primary focus. “It’s unaffordable, unworkable and very unpopular. And this might be our last chance to stop it. … This is an urgent matter.”

Democrats and Republicans will try to agree before Oct. 1 on the temporary spending bill that funds federal agencies, with the possibility of a government shutdown should the sides fail to reach a deal.

DeMint is trying to put the specter of a shutdown on Obama, saying the president will be to blame should he insist on keeping his “flawed law” on the negotiating table.

Others in the Tea Party movement such as Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul have said the GOP -- by controlling one-third of government with the...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; abortion; communism; deathpanels; defund; demint; heritage; obama; obamacare; zerocare

1 posted on 08/24/2013 2:16:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, thanks for your focus on this particular issue. I have sent numerous letters to my reps in the House and Senate. None of them have sent me a reply that makes me comfortable with their commitment to de-funding this calamity.


2 posted on 08/24/2013 2:25:09 PM PDT by CARTOUCHE (Why am I still here and where next am I going?)
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3 posted on 08/24/2013 4:18:21 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson

The odds of defunding are not that good, I don’t put it past the MSM to set it up that if they fail this time the TEA Party is finished.

It’s not like they haven’t done that a hundred times already.


4 posted on 08/24/2013 4:55:15 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: CARTOUCHE

I’m really conflicted on this. We know the media will blame Republicans for any shutdown, even though there’s supposed to be a give and take between the parties in D.C. What I don’t want is to lose seats in the upcoming election over it. On the other hand, it seems we have to draw the line somewhere.

I think I’m somewhat pragmatic. I don’t expect the Republicans to roll back a lot of government, including Obamacare, right now, because they simply don’t have the votes to do so. What I do expect is for them get concessions from Democrats. However, that’s hard to do when the president simply does whatever he wants regardless.


5 posted on 08/24/2013 5:37:33 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

I agree the GOP is in a tough position. But it doesn’t matter what their strategy is if the GOP doesn’t fight they are going to lose. The Dems/MSM will steamroll them again.

No more of this tip toe to the election and hope the electorate will do the heavy lifting. We have seen this movie before and it has a bad ending.


6 posted on 08/24/2013 5:44:56 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Jim Robinson
I was disappointed to see Rep Renee Ellmers (R-NC), who ran as a Tea Party conservative, blast The Heritage foundation's defunding push. She's another one that seems to have gotten co-opted by the RiNO/GOPe.

I say God bless Jim DeMint - and others - who are trying to sound the alarm on the whole 0Care debacle. Shame on those who've lost their conservative, even original Republican platforms, footing.

7 posted on 08/24/2013 5:45:03 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“I’m really conflicted on this.”

here we go again...

Every GOP thread has a “burn GOP because they’re all RINOS anyways” but when the GOP finally acts on what WE WANT, it’s “OH, I think we shouldn’t do that!”

Really? Which is it?


8 posted on 08/24/2013 5:48:49 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: max americana

I want to win, not just fight battles. There are a lot of political veterans who think a government shutdown is the wrong approach. I’m not ready to denounce everyone of them simply because they don’t agree with the approach taken. The goal is smaller government.

BTW, I’m not sure which approach is better. There’s clearly risk either way. That’s why I wrote I was conflicted on this.

I do think Republicans should try to wrangle concessions out of the Democrats either way. They weren’t sent to D.C. to give the Democrats whatever they want. Unfortunately, the president and his regulatory minions are out of control, and the senate will block any attempt to impeach.


9 posted on 08/24/2013 5:55:02 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“the senate will block any attempt to impeach.”

we’ve got all the time, dude


10 posted on 08/24/2013 5:57:33 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Jane Long

I don’t agree a Republican is a RINO/GOPe if they don’t agree with the defunding approach. I think some of them want Obamacare eliminated as bad as the rest of us. Listen to what they’re saying. They think there’s a significant risk of losing the next election if we give the media the chance to play the evil Republican meme again. Do I think they’re right? No, but it’s something to consider.

I’m simply saying a RINO/GOPe is someone who supports Obamacare or simply wants to fine tune it a bit. Obamacare is an abomination. In a free country, the government simply has no right to tell any of us what to do with privately funded health care (they do have the right to control health care that’s paid for with government $$$). A person isn’t a RINO/GOPe if they despise Obamacare but want to use a different approach to eliminate it.

We can’t continue to keep making enemies of every last person who disagrees with us. An 80% friend is our friend, so long as it’s truly 80% agreement.


11 posted on 08/24/2013 6:01:54 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Ohio Republican Rep. Steve LaTourette told FoxNews . . .ObamaCare will implode on its own, . . ."

No law has ever imploded. Those are buzz words. LaTourette's a fool.
12 posted on 08/24/2013 6:03:12 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: CitizenUSA
The problem with your reasoning, to me anyway, is that these so called conservatives that believe 0care is an abomination and complain about losing the upcoming elections...is that they're not offering any other solutions. Or, at least none that I've heard them say.

Rep Renee Ellmers (R-NC) is one of the Reps who says she's against the Heritage Foundation's push to defund 0Care, but, she admits she doesn't have an alternative way to do away with it.

13 posted on 08/24/2013 6:13:43 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim DeMint and Heritage are heroes.


14 posted on 08/24/2013 6:22:42 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Jane Long

Well, you make a valid point (that they don’t have alternatives), but that still doesn’t mean they’re so-called conservatives simply because they disagree with the defunding approach. They may not know what to do about Obamacare at this point. To tell the truth, I don’t have any easy answers either so long as Democrats hold the senate and presidency.

I guess we’ll find out who are true allies are if the defunding approach is actually attempted. Once we’re committed, then we need to win it. I think it would do even more harm to the conservative cause to start a government shutdown and then not deliver some sort of political victory when all is said and done.

As I wrote earlier, we need to force some concessions out of Democrats. That’s how a divided government works. We elected a Republican congress, and our votes are just as important as the ones that elected Obama. Since neither side has an outright majority, both should compromise.

That’s my big complaint about Republicans. When we held power, we didn’t roll back government in any meaningful way. Our representatives sold us a line of crap. Now that we share power, we should still be fighting for concessions in order to give Democrats concessions. In the past, however, it always seems like Democrats propose whatever they want, and compromise means giving them only slightly less than that.


15 posted on 08/24/2013 6:43:27 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: onyx

Yes, they are!! Woo hoo!! Welcome back, dearest onyx!!


16 posted on 08/24/2013 6:57:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: CitizenUSA

I guess we’ll find out who are true allies are if the defunding approach is actually attempted.

Should be:

I guess we’ll find out who our true allies are if the defunding approach is actually attempted.

Once a course of action is determined, Republicans need to learn to stand together. Democrats are very, very good at forcing party unity.


17 posted on 08/24/2013 6:59:19 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

This is total scorched earth. There will not be a Republican left in office that votes to fund this communist madness. DOWN WITH OBAMA CARE RIGHT NOW!!


18 posted on 08/24/2013 9:00:06 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl

Kick him out.


19 posted on 08/24/2013 9:01:25 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: CitizenUSA
A person isn’t a RINO/GOPe if they despise Obamacare but want to use a different approach to eliminate it.

Really?


20 posted on 08/24/2013 10:27:49 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Jane Long
I second that...God bless Jim DeMint and Heritage, and all those who are fighting for the Constitution. They need our prayers...group prayer does work.
21 posted on 08/24/2013 10:45:21 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Jim Robinson
If DeMint and the Repubs are serious about stopping ObamaCare, they better screaming about the new “30 hour full time week”, the 40% excise tax, the $2,000/employee penalty vs the $10-$15,000 insurance cost/employee, the unsecured database, the 16,000 IRS agents enforcing ObamaCare....

The list goes on. All I here is defund, but not why we need to defund. ObamaCare is target rich. DeMint et. al need to start bombing away. They ain't.

22 posted on 08/24/2013 10:46:20 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: CitizenUSA; lodi90; Chgogal
The Left doesn't have to wonder if their party will push ever harder for complete despotism.

OTOH, we are left to wonder if our nominal party will stand and fight against a law that is strangling our economy, stomping on freedom and is opposed by a majority of the people.

Is it reasonable to think the GOP will do what it has failed to do since the New Deal?

23 posted on 08/25/2013 2:41:45 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: CitizenUSA
I want to win, not just fight battles. There are a lot of political veterans who think a government shutdown is the wrong approach. I’m not ready to denounce everyone of them simply because they don’t agree with the approach taken. The goal is smaller government.

I understand your conflicts, but if we don't take a serious stand, we're lost. Getting "concessions" from Dims is akin to working out a deal where thugs can rape your wife and oldest daughter if they only leave your youngest daughter alone.

Don't buy into the government shutdown meme. Obama and the Dims would be the ones shutting down the government if the House turns in a budget that takes care of necessities while withholding ObamaCare funding.

All the concessions/betrayals by the Republicans over the last few decades is what got government so bloated that it is a force for the People to fear - if we don't draw a line and refuse to back up any more. Civility and "concessions" will not do anything but allow the tyranny to continue. Those who oppose being rock solid are aiding and abetting the enemy.

24 posted on 08/25/2013 5:08:05 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Jim Robinson
“We know that ObamaCare is unfair,” DeMint has said repeatedly over the past few months, as dismantling the law has emerged as a primary focus. “It’s unaffordable, unworkable and very unpopular. And this might be our last chance to stop it. … This is an urgent matter.”

HOORAY Jim DeMint! DEFUND/DISMANTLE socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.

Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task. The Law - Bastiat

live - free - republic

25 posted on 08/25/2013 7:40:43 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Chgogal

Great points. Thanks. BTTT!


26 posted on 08/25/2013 7:43:06 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Chgogal; All

WORTH another BTTT!

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27 posted on 08/25/2013 7:00:26 PM PDT by PGalt
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28 posted on 08/25/2013 7:03:12 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Chgogal

Your post is worth another BTTT! OUTSTANDING observation, Chgogal. Thanks again.


29 posted on 08/26/2013 4:33:48 PM PDT by PGalt
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