Posted on 08/24/2013 3:38:50 PM PDT by Jacquerie
Take a look ahead.
Despite our nation’s free fall into totalitarianism, congress recoils from using its power of the purse and impeachment. Only a small cadre of conservatives call for a state amendment convention to go around congress, and defeat the eighty year assault on liberty called progressivism. Obamacare, Benghazi, F&F, illegal appointments, open borders, use of executive agencies to silence political opponents, suspension of the laws, fag marriage, a foreign born president . . . are insufficient to cause serious resistance. While Obama is the face of those recent assaults on our freedoms, he had plenty of help from congress and scotus; all three are culpable.
Since these muggings of our sovereignty are insufficient to prompt many calls for impeachment or an Article V state amendment convention, one should ask oneself, “what will?” What outrage will move two thirds of the states to put an end to tyranny? I don’t know, but it will have to be a political nuclear blast, something on the order of Obama suspending the 2016 election.
So at some horrific point the Obama administration commits a crime that finally goes over the top. The congressional GOP will, as usual, whimper in a corner while the rats commend Obama for his courage. Does it not stand to reason that all three branches of the consolidated government will lock arms to secure a hundred years’ worth of power, wealth and honor accumulated at the expense of the states and the people? Of course.
Of course the statists will find tyrannical justification to counter an Article V amendment convention. It is as certain as sunrise tomorrow. The favorite and easiest method will be to punt opposition to the federal courts. Rather than refer to the law of the land, scotus will divine godlike wisdom from unintelligible precedent to either put the brakes on the amendment convention or muck up the works. Appeals will take years, which is the intent. . . while our nation suffers.
If that happens, if the statists seriously attempt to sabotage the end run our framers gave us . . . it will truly be over. Then and only then will I listen to those whose solution involves lamp posts and rope, for by that time there will be no other choice.
If Article V is our only hope, we are truly doomed.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
Article V isn't our only hope, it's just our best one, and we are far from doomed.
The Article V option is infinitely better than option B. Whatever that might entail, it would be far uglier, far more costly to the nation and far less certain of a positive outcome in the end.
I'd like to see the defeatist crybabies shut up for a just bit, maybe put their energies behind a Convention of the States under Article V, get a groundswell going, and see where this all takes us.
Wherever that might be, the process itself will be a tonic for the country.
Proposal:
There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.
Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.
Disposal:
Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:
The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.
Ratification:
Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.
Yeah, all we need to do is elect conservatives! /s
Swell, just what the well organized, lock step left wants to see.
They are ORGANIZED. Conservatives and individualists are babes in the woods when it comes to this stuff
If you haven't learned anything from the kenyan, please learn that he is 20 years in front of you when it comes to organizing political treachery.
The convention would be open for 10 seconds before the left would shut it down and declare: "Article V for VICTORY over that hated Constitution."
Our side? "Wha, Wha, What just happened here Leroy?"
ConCon is a REALLY BAD idea, unless and until you KNOW you can overcome.
Till then, leave well enough alone.
“If Article V is our only hope, we are truly doomed”
So true. Its a poor idea at best.
You don’t need 2/3rds of the states to bring the Fed govt to its knees. 20 would do nicely. 20 states who just decided to go their own way and nullify all the EPA, NSA, TSA, DHS etc BS in their states. 20 states who just don’t bother to shut down their coal fired power plants, 20 states who just don’t put the extra ethenol in their gas. 20 states who say coal mining? Good idea. 20 states who stop sending in the alchohol, gasoline and tobacco taxes.
This kind of thing is what the Federal govt fears most. That is why they keep the states slaves to Federal subsidies and handouts. Then if a state goes rogue they can threaten to cut off funding. Well if the state has its own new found funding what is the Fed going to do? The answer is nothing. It will wilt and die in a few weeks without all that revenue rolling in.
We need a Con Con like we need a hole in the head.
Article V is a fabulous gift from the framers.
We need a Con Con like we need a hole in the head.
We need freepers who take the time to read the constitution.
They won't follow the current rules, so you want new rules?
What happens after they won't follow the new rules?
IF an article V movement starts to gain traction....I see the possibility of dumbocrats playing dirty...
I would not put it past the ass party to make it harder to achieve a 3/4 majority by adding blue states to the union. They’ve talked about statehood for DC and Puerto Rico for years, states that would most assuredly be controlled by dumbs and vote against ratifying any article V amendment proposals.
History shows us that the asscrats don’t care about the constitution, and will do anything to protect their power. Article V may be the best option left, but as with all other confrontations with tyranny, it’s going to be one hell of a fight.
BTW...I would not put it past the GOP-e to aid and abet the asscrats in that endeavor...
Exactly.
Fags are 1% or less of the population and look what that kind of determined minority was able to accomplish.
There are far more conservatives than fags, but everyone knows that conservatives are feckless cowards and they neither accomplish anything or get respect from anyone.
Conservatives advocating a constitutional convention are like the pathetic dweebs in high school trying to spout legalisms as they get beat up by the bullys and don't respect themselves enough to fight back.
“We need freepers who take the time to read the constitution”
I did that in college when I was getting a 4 year degree in Political Science. A Con Con in the political climate we are in right now could easily end up with a new constitution minus the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 10th ammendments. Its a bad idea. The 10th ammendment is all we need to reign in the Federal govt. States are already starting to exercise it.
Okay. I have an easy question for you. Tell me what James Madison had to say about parchment barriers.
Why are you directing that at me? I’ve never made such a moronic suggestion.
“Conservatives advocating a constitutional convention are like the pathetic dweebs in high school trying to spout legalisms as they get beat up by the bullys and don’t respect themselves enough to fight back.”
Yes and all you have to do is look at the electoral map of red states vs blue states. Itsa a lotta red. 20 red states stand up and the problem will get solved very quickly. Running out and ammending the constitution at every turn is not the answer.
Dear DonnyofPismo,
You don’t have a clue, do you?
You have NO clue how this process works, yet you fearlessly spout crap.
Let’s get one thing into your senseless noggin: what is being talked of here is NOT a Constitutional Convention. Until you get that straight, you are literally out of your depth, Donnie.
I’m all in.
Where do we start?
Its not a goddamn concon. Why is it when article 5 comes up, freepers are suddenly illiterate?
Dear Georgia Girl. Perhaps you need to read it again.
This is NOT a Constitutional Convention. And the 10th hasn’t worked for at least a century. You are naive to think its about to start working now.
Not only will it NEVER HAPPEN. It would be hijacked by the Left and attended by the cowardly GOP. You think it’s bad now? It would be 100x worse. Terrible idea.
Thank you for not reading my post.
LOL!! One Convention of the States in over two hundred years is hardly "at every turn," now is it? And maybe you ought to learn how to spell "amending" the Constitution before you go pontificating about it.
Obama voters will dominate it just like everything else.
Tonight. Begin with a letter to your state assemblyman.
Got it... sorry, missed your point.
I just don’t see how new rules will make things better. Both parties are ignoring the rules we have now. Why would they obey new rules? I think the issue is more about busting our tails to get true conservatives in office. But then there’s voter fraud . . .
In retrospect, I wasn’t entirely clear. A little too subtle.
We should at least exhaust all options before the grand finally. Including session.
You are precisely wrong. This process is one that those low-information voters cannot possibly dominate.
Why not? Demographics; this process will not be driven by the statists, it will be driven by the anti-statists.
“...Begin with a letter to your state assemblyman...”
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O.K.,
I have written letters to my state representative, and my state senator, and even to my governor,
so, now what?
From hearing folks on talk radio and here on FR,
one of the FIRST things that needs to happen
is to educate people on exactly what
an “Article V State’s Convention to Propose Amendments” is.
Too many people just don’t get it.
My post described political Armageddon, a last chance to peacefully save a wounded republic. The amendments I support are generally like those Mark Levin has proposed. They will remove lots of power from the consolidated government and send it back where it belongs, with the states.
An Article V amendment convention does an end run around congress/Obama/scotus.
Mark's amendments mean term limits for congress and scotus, a senate appointed by state legislatures, congressional override of scotus decisions, limits on spending, effective congressional power over the administrative state, voting integrity, revamping of the commerce power, state nullification of congressional statutes . . .
These are structural changes which will leave the statists howling.
Maybe its because conservatives do a lot of useless talking about amending the constitution whenever public policy doesn't go their way. Examples: Abortion, Gay marriage, Balanced budgets. ect..
They can't be bothered to fight the ideological battles so they think passing a new amendment will get society to behave the way they want it to.
Its very lazy, because by relying on amendments what they are actually saying is that they want government to police itself rather than doing the heavy lifting to force government to behave itself (you know like voting Boehner and all the other uses republicans out)
But just like they never get around to voting out the RINOs, They also never get around to passing any ammendments.
Its all useless talk all the time
I have no worries about a runaway convention.
Conservatives are just flapping their gums as usual and they'll all line up to vote for Jebby Bush in 2016
Perhaps all can be done concurrently. My state assemblyman is not a very bright light, nor all that conservative. It will take time.
Hello?
Do yourself a favor, and read Whistleblower, Marinka Peschmann, 2011; subtitle, How Clinton White House Stayed in Power to Reemerge in the Obama White House and on the World stage.
The progressives have been playing dirty for 20 years. The Obama regime is like Clinton's, on steroids. 1993 was the genesis of what we are facing today.
Well not to be a Debbie downer but your chances of getting killed in a drone strike are better than any ammendments to the Constituion happening any time soon.
There is no need to ammend the Constitution. The Constitution is just fine. The people trampling on it are the problem. Focus on that instead.
“...The Constitution is just fine.
The people trampling on it are the problem...”
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You see, right there in those two short sentences you contradict yourself.
If people are trampling on the Constitution, then it ain’t “just fine”.
Levin’s suggestions would shackle the tramplers and restore the original intent.
We're talking about structural changes to restore federalism, to divide power once again between DC and the states.
"Reign" in??
The choices are to either press for state initiated amendments or accelerate into tyranny.
Progressives have been playing dirty for more than a century...
I was merely offering my thoughts about one way they (and the GOP-e) might try to stop amendments from an Article V convention.
On the contrary, socialists will welcome a Constitutional Convention. History has already proven a Constitutional Convention can be dangerous. Many delegates attending the 1787 Philadelphia Convention were under the impression the purpose was to merely modify the Articles of Confederation.
However, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton had planned prior to the Convention to replace the Articles of Confederation with a Constitution. The result was an entirely different form of government. The same could happen with another Constitutional Convention. The process can completely change once delegates get behind closed doors. No one on the outside will be able to stop them. It will be an opportunity those seeking to destroy the Constitution will use to their advantage to create a far more centralized, powerful and dangerous government than already exists.
No one has proposed a Constitutional Convention
in the way that you describe.
The Constitution has no such provision.
The discussion is in regards to
an Article V State’s Convention to Propose Amendments.
Two more logs to toss on the fire ...
First, name MARK LEVIN as chairman of the Amendment Convention. Good luck trying to pull any underhanded political crap after that!
Two, start thinking about people in your state that you trust. No, I didn’t say “politicians” that you trust. I mean people who are honest and willing to help their neighbors and fellow citizens. We are going to need such people to attend the Convention on our behalf.
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