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Photo Controversy Erupts After Detroitís New Police Cars Revealed
(WWJ) ^ | August 22, 2013 5:38 PM

Posted on 08/25/2013 7:52:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin

DETROIT (WWJ) – A local photographer is crying foul over an image that appears on a new set of public safety vehicles unveiled by the city.

Mayor Dave Bing handed over the keys to 15 new squad cars and 10 ambulances during a presentation downtown on Thursday.

Meantime, Bobby Alcott claims that a photo of the Detroit skyline featured on the vehicles is his under copyright — and that the Downtown Detroit Partnership did not purchase the image.

“I’m not trying to be mean about it. I’m not trying to be a jerk,” Bobby Alcott told WWJ Newsradio 950. ”I’m just saying it’s my property.

(Excerpt) Read more at detroit.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: US: Michigan
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1 posted on 08/25/2013 7:52:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

if he wanted to sue...he would win!

oh wait Detroit has no money to pay ANY sort of settlement..

what to do what to do


2 posted on 08/25/2013 7:53:54 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: BenLurkin

Property rights?? Detroit is controlled by Democrats. Everything belongs to them, not you. “You didn’t build that.”


3 posted on 08/25/2013 7:54:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: BenLurkin

Private property? Who does this jerk think he is? Everything belongs to the state.


4 posted on 08/25/2013 7:56:02 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: MeshugeMikey

He doesn’t have to sue Detroit. He sues the ad agency and graphic artist who stole the image. Image theft is rampant and should be stopped, just like the theft of any other property. Lawsuits are a good way to let it be known that no, you just can’t swipe a copyrighted image and make a profit from it anymore than you can publish someone else’s book under your own name and collect money for it.


5 posted on 08/25/2013 7:57:30 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: BenLurkin

Man, they find a way to screw *EVERYTHING* up. They can’t even buy new squad cars without violating the law.


6 posted on 08/25/2013 7:57:56 AM PDT by Patriot95
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To: MeshugeMikey

This seems like a non-issue.

Evidently “his” photo was used in the mock-up ahead of time.

None of his work was used actual production.

See the article, about paragraph 5.


7 posted on 08/25/2013 7:58:29 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: MeshugeMikey

I have to spend 1000’s to protect my trademarks and am never compensated. This new America is filled with thieves and liars and a handshake means nothing anymore.


8 posted on 08/25/2013 7:58:41 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: BenLurkin

Detroit police are Thieves?


9 posted on 08/25/2013 7:59:12 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

“Alcott later conceded the image on the cars was not his — they were only on the photo on the mock-up that was displayed before the cars went public.”

Never mind...


10 posted on 08/25/2013 8:00:21 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
If the photo is his he has a point but he needs to provide the photo and prove his copywrite.

Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

Michigan legislative action thread
11 posted on 08/25/2013 8:01:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gadsden1st

oh my...

his reputation..much like that of Detroit’s...... .down in flames


12 posted on 08/25/2013 8:04:19 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: BenLurkin

I think it's a dumb graphic to use on a police car. I prefer simple colors and an accurate label.

13 posted on 08/25/2013 8:04:54 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: liberty or death

I did one project for a client...who Id been doing workf for for 30 years....without a down payment....of 50 percent...last year, He went all over the map with requirements...and then refused complete...payment .

some people require strict guidelines or they dont know where..they ARE


14 posted on 08/25/2013 8:06:14 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

well case closed


15 posted on 08/25/2013 8:07:01 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: ottbmare

evidently I missed some of the details

“None of his work was used actual production.

See the article, about paragraph 5.”


16 posted on 08/25/2013 8:07:25 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey
if he wanted to sue...he would win!

Actually he doesn't have much of a case. He admits that the photo used on the produced cars isn't his. The photo he claims is his was used on mock ups.

He should take them to small claims court and get his $1500 and go away.
17 posted on 08/25/2013 8:07:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Pollster1

how about a pack of wild dogs?


18 posted on 08/25/2013 8:07:57 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: BenLurkin
Then there are the self-admitted facts:

A spokesperson for the Downtown Detroit Partnership denies they stole the image. And Alcott later conceded the image on the cars was not his — they were only on the photo on the mock-up that was displayed before the cars went public.

19 posted on 08/25/2013 8:11:11 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Pollster1

Actually they should thank the Detroit business community and leave it at that.


20 posted on 08/25/2013 8:11:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MeshugeMikey
how about a pack of wild dogs?

Too much truthful advertising could harm that city's reputation... couldn't it?

21 posted on 08/25/2013 8:12:58 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Pollster1
I prefer simple colors and an accurate label.

22 posted on 08/25/2013 8:13:27 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Standing Wolf

well there is a truth in advertsing law isnt there?

Might I offer a lovely SLOGAN to use in place of the graphics?

“We’re Detroit,..Trust Us About That”


23 posted on 08/25/2013 8:14:20 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Pollster1

The door handles look like UFO’s hovering over the city.


24 posted on 08/25/2013 8:14:50 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: piytar

Just do a photo search of Detroit skyline and you’ll find thousands of nearly identical photos taken by thousands of different people.

If I had access to Roger Penske I would have told him that I would take the photo for $500 and signed all further rights over to him.

As far as the cars are concerned, I would have gone with a simple skyline silhouette.


25 posted on 08/25/2013 8:16:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BenLurkin
"Mayor Dave Bing handed over the keys to 15 new squad cars and 10 ambulances during a presentation downtown on Thursday."

"The vehicles were purchased with an $8 million donation from city business leaders — including Penske Corp. Chairman Roger Penske."

$320,000 per vehicle? I hope each one comes equipped with a RoboCop!

26 posted on 08/25/2013 8:17:09 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: The Free Engineer

That is an excellent observation. A clever artist might sneak up and graffitti some death rays on those cars.


27 posted on 08/25/2013 8:18:20 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cripplecreek

I agree.

His photo was evidently used.

That is not nothing, but it was not used in the actual production promotional materials.

The city would be wise to call him up, work out a mutually acceptable total and settle this.


28 posted on 08/25/2013 8:19:54 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Gadsden1st

even so, they stole his image to use for their mock-up. Why can’t or shouldn’t he still sue? Theft is theft.


29 posted on 08/25/2013 8:20:45 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Gadsden1st; MeshugeMikey

It doesn’t make any difference if they used his image on the cars or on the mock-up. They used his image and did not pay for it. That is illegal. It’s a violation of copyright law. Photographers need to sue when their work is used without consent. Their work is being stolen. It’s just as if you worked for me for several hours and I refused to pay you.


30 posted on 08/25/2013 8:23:13 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: BenLurkin

Everything about this story is pathetic.


31 posted on 08/25/2013 8:25:20 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: liberty or death

OT: Have you been called an “old soul” yet? I have, for thinking that a handshake is the only thing you need to make a deal final, and moreso because all involved parties are obligated to follow through and live up to the highest moral standards throughout.

We were born late.


32 posted on 08/25/2013 8:26:12 AM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: BenLurkin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiNZbcEzogU


33 posted on 08/25/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: MeshugeMikey

All the city has to do is to get a pet judge to rule that the city skyline is an intrinsic property of the city and that the city itself owns the copyright to that skyline.


34 posted on 08/25/2013 8:26:36 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Blue Highway

Works for me. It was his image that got the idea accepted.

If they used my picture to sell the idea of a good looking guy endorsing a product, then replaced it with some “Hollywood” stud, I would sue.


35 posted on 08/25/2013 8:26:39 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Say what you will about Detroit but it really does have a photogenic skyline which ranks with NY and Chicago as far as aesthetic appeal is concerned.


36 posted on 08/25/2013 8:27:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BenLurkin

When the police drive the car do they have to do the Detroit lean?.


37 posted on 08/25/2013 8:29:14 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Pollster1
ok get ready for round 2 of Where's Waldo Whitey?

See if you can spot a caucasion in this pic. Is this downtown Detoit or has Africa moved out of third world country status.

38 posted on 08/25/2013 8:30:02 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: BenLurkin

What’s the point of this article? “Something bad happened, but, never mind, it didn’t.”

Fantastic news story, guys, really first-rate work.


39 posted on 08/25/2013 8:32:34 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: cripplecreek

Nice photo, thanks.


40 posted on 08/25/2013 8:33:53 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Sooth2222

that’s one expensive Dodge Charger HEMI. Still expensive including the RoboCOP.


41 posted on 08/25/2013 8:33:56 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: cripplecreek

Most anything can look good in a photo. My memories of De-Troit layovers as an airline pilot were having a good book and staying in my room ‘til the next morning. And a lot of “Really, we’re not a crap-hole” PR outside. See the pix in post #13.


42 posted on 08/25/2013 8:36:18 AM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: BenLurkin

I flew into Detroit last week on the way to Dubai. They should have used the aerial view that I saw. It was a patchwork wasteland of demolished blocks by the mile surrounding the “Oz “ that is the city center.


43 posted on 08/25/2013 8:37:52 AM PDT by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: Sooth2222

$75K for the cop car and $245K for nobama and the dems “referral and handling fee”.


44 posted on 08/25/2013 8:39:00 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missle - armed and ready.)
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To: Pollster1

Those cop cars look more like taxis with that graphic. Just wonderin’ how long before those buildings get ‘tagged’ by the local youts?


45 posted on 08/25/2013 8:39:10 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us about 0bama's America)
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To: Blue Highway

A fully equipped police car is running around $160,000 these days. Ambulances are probably twice that.

This story doesn’t mention it but I read somewhere that other equipment was purchased as well as hiring a few more cops.


46 posted on 08/25/2013 8:41:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BenLurkin

How hard can it be to take your own picture of the Detroit skyline? Heck, with today’s digital cameras, any moron can make a perfect picture. Why would they need to use this guys image?


47 posted on 08/25/2013 8:42:14 AM PDT by soycd
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To: BenLurkin

Comrade, these are reactionary thoughts! In worker’s paradise of Detroit, everything belongs to the People! I am afraid that you will need re-education...


48 posted on 08/25/2013 8:48:35 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: reg45
Oh, good.
With that attitude, the guv’mint can force you to pay a fee for taking any pictures of any city. Hell, why not just force building owners to pay a fee to the city for the luxury of contributing to the skyline of the city.
No. Wait. They do.
Property taxes.
You don't own JACK!
If not for someone else, you wouldn't have what you have.
Guv’mint claims they allowed you to be what you are.
Most of us give credit the God.
49 posted on 08/25/2013 8:49:38 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: cripplecreek

Say what you will about Detroit but it really does have a
photogenic skyline which ranks with NY and Chicago as
far asaesthetic appeal is concerned.

 

You can keep Detroit.
The AIDS/HIV virus is also quite beautiful to behold as an organism if viewed under the proper light.
I wouldn't want that either.

50 posted on 08/25/2013 8:49:41 AM PDT by Bon mots
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