Skip to comments.Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC (Cops gone wild)
Posted on 08/25/2013 9:16:55 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
This morning we showed up at Moore Square at 9:00 a.m., just like we have done virtually every Saturday and Sunday for the last six years. We provide, without cost or obligation, hot coffee and a breakfast sandwich to anyone who wants one. We keep this promise to our community in cooperation with five different large suburban churches that help us with manpower and funding.
Today officers from Raleigh Police Department prevented us from doing our work, for the first time ever. An officer said, quite bluntly, that if we attempted to distribute food, we would be arrested.
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Apparently, the Marxist government now believes that feeding the hungry is the job of liberal DemocRAT politicians. Using OPM (other people’s money) of course. When someone else does it, it takes away a photo opportunity for DemocRAT politicians.
It wasn’t illegal - it was an undocumented meal.
these Christian right wingers and their feed the poor notions are stealing jobs away from the govt workers....it must be stopped.../sarcasm/
I have a few questions please:
What is stopping them from setting up shop inside a church and telling the homeless gathered where they normally do that a new location has been chosen?
Secondly, in looking at the second picture in the article, I don’t see any people that I would normally consider as “homeless”. I see casually well-dressed citizens, some even sporting a few extra pounds. Are these the “homeless?”
To me, consistently causing a group of people to congregate in a popular public area week in, week out to hand out food is not a ideal function that fits the larger use. There are food banks, shelters and soup kitchens for that. Why does it have to be on the streets of the public park?
Regardless of these questions and my feelings, they still have a right to hand out food if they want, but I’d be willing to bet their ‘homeless’ ain’t that.
I lasted two years in Raleigh before I sped back at warp speed to Arizona. Between the communists, the brotherhood, the crappy infrastructure that kept me sitting on two lane roads forever and the rain—I had to get out.
Ever see a sign at a forest that says, Do not feed the wildlife? Seems most urban parks have become useless to families because of activities related to the vagrants. If you want to feed them why not open your church? Or home or place of business Why go to a public park? I wish more communities refrained from allowing vagrants to take over and ruin public spaces.
The only answer is to take the chance and get arrested. The cop couldn’t cite the law being broken, but someone would have to when they book you.
As long as the police have the power to oppress by just making vague threats, they will do that. Make them put something in writing.
But, there is a caveat: they will arrest you for committing no crime that they are willing to put on paper. And then when you refuse to handcuff yourself and submit to them in every way (including asking “what am I being arrested for?”), they will add on “opposing arrest” or, if you flinch as they twist your arms, they will add on “resisting arrest”. Then, they’ll “drop” the non-existent charge and keep the opposing/resisting charge.
This is how a police state works prior to being given free reign to assault and murder citizens.
What a stupid analogy, and thank you for totally missing the point. And FTR, this park is inner city and never has, never will be the kind of park you are talking about. And none of what you bring up even addresses the point of the article, which was government gone wild with cop enforcement. Really? Get a clue dude.
you too, missed the point. You made some good points, but you missed the main one. Thanks for playing. Drive safe.
Thank you so much for your especially condescending ‘Christian’ remarks.
I didn’t miss the point. I realize it’s supposed to be a free country and the cop was uncivil and rude, and that the givers had a perfect right to be there. I merely posed better location alternatives.
I do, however, question their intelligence in this particular wasted effort. Those people gathered there for biscuits and coffee, if the second picture is representative of “homeless”, they certainly don’t fit the picture of someone in need of assistance - CLEARLY.
The fact is that I find if difficult to believe that in this country where over 1/2 of its adults are on some form of Federal assistance, 1/3 are on SNAP, so many are on unemployment, so so many are on Section 8 housing (which is ridiculously generous in terms of tenant contributions), so many receiving EITC, TANF, WICs and the myriad of other church food banks and giveaways and the like that there are any ‘homeless’ at all. We are egregiously generous to our down-trodden to the tune of an extra TRILLION DOLLARS a year of extra entitlements spread over 85 different programs.
The logical conclusion is that if they are indeed homeless, they do so by choice.
Charity, properly given, is a good thing. Charity for charity’s sake with no sense applied is a waste.
...And find a committed local attorney;
and/or one of the Christian legal advocate network reps...
DON'T BE INTIMIDATED!!
you say you didn’t miss the point...but then you ramble on about something other than the point. You make some valid points that I agree with....and they have nothing....ZIP ZERO NADA to do with the point of this article - which is, to help you out, abuse of power by cops carrying out the dictates of a liberal mayor and city council who have their cronies in business downtown and a hatred of relgious groups.
The bad or imprudent decisions of those groups, or the worthiness of their constituents is totally an unrelated issue. And if you knew anything about this particular park, and apparently you do not, you would know that likely most of the recipients are indeed in need. Far more so than EIB cards.
And you missed my point, Christian.
We keep this promise to our community in cooperation with five different large suburban churches that help us with manpower and funding.Hey, I have an idea, how about serving breakfast at one of the 5 churches?
Since they don't know what to charge you with, let them arrest you so you can have your day in court.
They need to go backwith a serious lawyer in tow.The barracuda can explain the law to the cops.
“They need to go backwith a serious lawyer in tow.”
ACLU type comes to mind.
Regardless of these questions and my feelings, they still have a right to hand out food if they want,Not really. Most places have health and safety standards for food prep and handling. It doesn't matter if you're handing it out or selling it, nor should it.
no, I got your point....which was OFF point. Start your own thread if you want to make YOUR point.
I work with the Matthew 25 Ministry in Columbia, SC. There the homeless are being threatened if they are not in shelters. There are at least 1,300 of them and not enough shelters to house them all. But that is not the point. The point is they can be arrested for being on the street. Reminds me of the fate of the Jews in Nazi Germany!
We are still allowed to feed them at a warehouse donated for that use but yesterday there were a half dozen squad cars waiting for them to leave the warehouse. I do not know how many if any were arrested.
This just makes me sick.
Matthew 25:35-40 is very specific in what the Lord expects us to do for these. And in doing for them, we are directly serving our Lord. He is a also a recipient of whatever we give them. It says so in that scripture.
Hey, I have an idea.
Why don’t you NOT assume they don’t also give stuff away at other places?
Would that excuse the RPD for acting the way they did.....???? That perhaps this group is not making the best choices?
Maybe they will be arrested (not a bad idea).
Do you think its okay for cops to arrest charity groups simply because they are not making the wisest choices on where to do their charity work?????
Actually, you are referring to government, not “places” - so to be clear, you are siding with Mayor Bloomberg. Thanks for exposing....
I was being Christianly generous to the poster, and I realize your comments are valid.
Little did I know, I was such a clueless doofus becaue I could not read the poster’s mind (like God can) that the mayor is a religion hating liberal and his jackbooted police thugs were really trying to stamp out Christianity (I don’t think I saw ANY of that in the article).
Nonetheless, I play his “game”. He ‘thanked’ me for it and the proceeded to tell me (again, condescendingly) what I should have read in his mind.
We can’t all read what’s in your mind, dude. Show me in the story where the mayor is a religion hating zealot and his police force is ‘out to get religion.’
If you need to be told that cities are run by liberals, and that by definition they are all those things, then perhaps you shouldn’t play along.....its going to move fast for you.
“If you want to feed them why not open your church?”
Wait! What? And have the poor, homeless people have to walk? Are you crazy? /sarc
“Absurd, embarrassing, outrageous, evil - I am ashamed this happened in my town.”
Charity denies jobs to bureaucrats. Civil servants need the poor to be hungry and homeless so they can justify their 5 and 6 figure salaries.
Compassion is the job of liberal government. Expressions of compassion by anyone in the private sector is a violation of the public trust.
See post 28 for someone who “got it” on their own......
It is a game to you, boardmaster. The truth is you put untold emphasis in your bleat over a story that was documented in no way as you seem to think. I only asked your a couple of questions and because I didn’t agree with you over something not even remotely documented except in your head, you very condescendingly criticized me. You’ve done it each time you reply to me and now you tell me I should know it because ALL cities are liberal and I have to know they all hate religion and are out to get you, personally.
No thanks. Next time when you post a thread and have some nebulous ulterior motive, why do you tell us it’s a game and if we answer wrong, you’ll come back and jump us. Yeah, real nice...I don’t need to talk to you any more, you’re a lost cause.
There you go again.
Listen DUDE, I see your feel-good kind in my city too. Cops have a DUTY to keep the vagrants out of city parks. You feeding them there only makes the problems worse. I applaud their actions and wish they did it more often.
Open your pathetic church if you feel you must feed them.
‘Hey, I have an idea, how about serving breakfast at one of the 5 churches?’
What?! Have ‘these people’ in their neighborhoods? That might lower the property values!
The reason why they ‘moved them along’ is because the residents and property owners in the area probably got sick of the weekly collection of beggars and vagrants in their local city park congregating for a free meal.
As for laws: there are numerous laws and health regulations against the regular and scheduled distribution of food for human consumption without a permit. I can think of several violations of food safety ordinances off the top of my head including proper temperature regulation of prepared foods to name just one.
If these five churches wanted to help the poor and ‘homeless’ with food, a regular weekly donation to the local food bank, a feeding center, or private mental health organization that treats drug dependency and mental illnesses of the homeless is in order, not the disruption of a public park.
Mostly to protect union labor, and the government revenue generated by permit sales, but some people like living in a world where everything is regulated and controlled by government. Good thing that they weren't trying to hand out farm eggs, they'd still be behind bars.
Wonder how many drug deals went down while the police were handling this affront to society?
Well-meaning groups who bring food to people gathered in public places do what other well-meaning people do when they feed pigeons or Canada geese. Need I explain why?
A community has a right to say whether this situation should continue. College students at a local Jesuit-run university were encouraged to bring food to homeless who gathered at a certain site in downtown Baltimore. That area became a dangerous area for the homeless and a no-go area for the rest of the residents of the city. Finally the police had to enforce some civic code or other to get the students to stop. There are plenty of ways to reach out with charity, and the students efforts were redirected. The 'homeless' were interviewed on tv to learn about their reactions.
No! Mostly to protect against Botulism, E-Coli and other food bourn illnesses that sicken and KILL people. Not all regulations are bad. Many are in the interest of the public.
Oh yeah, and the other sound public safety arguments already stated.
If they get people sick, arrest them for it. If the food is clearly ill-prepared, then stop them.
This is a great example of "preventative" law, where we arrest people not for doing something wrong, but because it is possible they might do something wrong.
Sure, it sounds great when someone first gets sick, and the government says "hey, we should do some inspections and provide "security" that the food being served is OK."
But power corrupts, and the government inspectors need to prove their worth, and the laws get stricter and stricter, and you end up shutting down the kid's lemonade stand. And the monied interests donate to politicians who will protect them by shutting down these "non-traditional" means of providing food. I'm sure they'll be happy to sell the churches food that has been "properly" blessed by our government masters.
North Carolina is becoming Florida, actually.
We’re being overrun with loser Yankees, white trash from the deep South, illegals, and tens of thousands of doddering old people looking for a place to die.
In other words: Florida.
I’ve seen the government try to shut down pot luck meals — heck, our HOA just had a party, and we served free food to people that we prepared, and that other people had prepared in their homes, all without any government inspector being paid off to say the kitchens met standards.
But I guess someone will tell me “but that’s ok, because the government decided to give private parties an exception to their law” — suggesting that if they hadn’t, then these people would be fine with arresting people for having a community party.
We are so concerned for perfect “safety”, that we think government can provide that, and allow our liberties to be crushed just so we can “feel” like we are safer.
No, this is called "self-governance" and "keeping public order."
As was noted, there are plenty of orderly, organized ways to help the homeless that minimize the negative impact on the public square and potential for harm to vulnerable people.
North Carolina is becoming Florida, actually.
Were being overrun with loser Yankees, white trash from the deep South, illegals, and tens of thousands of doddering old people looking for a place to die.
In other words: Florida.
I disagree. I've just relocated from the Northeast. I've been seeing many like-minded folks lately who are recent arrivals. Remember, it's only been since this recent influx of new blood that North Carolina finally tipped into the straight "red" column. I think that's due to all of the new arrivals who are sick of the regimes of the northeast, or were tired of their voice not being heard.
I believe the Raleigh City Government is controlled by liberal democRAT politicians.
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
Mostly to protect union labor,WOOOH! I forgot about those evil unions demanding YOUR food be prepared and handled in sanitary conditions.
I didn't know it was those evil unions that require food handlers to have restrooms to wash their hands after wiping their asses or shaking their dongs.
BTW, I've never seen a public restroom at a homeless park that was clean let alone with soap for food handlers...
Enjoy your egg muffin, don't pay any attention to the corn it though.
The fine progressive leadership of liberal bastion Raleigh was fine with this arrangement for six years, so long as it was kept to the public sidewalk and not in the park (an $800.00 permit would be required for that), and they cleaned up after themselves when finished.
Six years. Not a problem. But, suddenly it is a problem. So, something changed. What might that be?
Redevelopment. Moore Square is slated for beautification and gentrification. Drawing the riff-raff every weekend was fine so long as it wasn’t in a good part of town. They’re now planning on making it a good part of town, so it’s not fine any longer.
I truthfully do not know if giving away food with no strings attached does God’s work among people who are clearly not starving for physical sustenance. What benefit there is to the practice appears to be more in the form of humbling those doing the serving. If they were bearing Christian witness as well, then it would most certainly be God’s work.
Who is familiar enough with this situation to actually discern between the all-too-frequent feel-good giveaway and actually ministering, which is less frequent? That would add clarity to the situation.
It sounds as if they could resume in another area not slated for redevelopment as well, imho.
I will write slowly so you can understand:
This is not my church, and I’m not saying this particular ministry is or is not doing a good thing. I don’t know anything about them.
What I do know is that for six years, this has been okay, and now, with arrogance and no explanation, they are run off under threat of arrest by cops - who are public serviants supposedly - who felt no compunction to even tell them why. That was the only issue here, and if you’re too obtuse to see this as part of a pattern, God help you.....