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President 'Disingenuous' When He Says GOP Has No Alternative to Obamacare
CNSNews ^ | Aug 22, 2013 | By Susan Jones

Posted on 08/25/2013 12:21:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

(CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama is being "disingenuous" when he says Republicans have no alternative to Obamacare, says Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), a man with a plan of his own. "The president knows that there are other alternatives out there, alternatives that put patients and families and doctors in charge, not Washington, D.C.," Price told Fox News's Neil Cavuto on Wednesday.

"Our proposal, H.R. 2300, is comprehensive legislation that would get folks covered with insurance that they want to buy for themselves, not that the government forces them to buy; solves insurance challenges, like portability and preexisting (conditions); and saves hundreds of billions of dollars, does all of that without raising your taxes a penny and doesn't put Washington in charge of a thing.

"There are wonderful, positive alternatives. To have the president continue to say that (there are no alternatives) is just not true, and he knows it's disingenuous when he says it."

Price re-introduced his legislation -- The Empowering Patients First Act -- on June 6. (He previously sponsored the Empowering Patients First Act in the 111th and 112th Congresses as H.R. 3400 and H.R. 3000, respectively.)

Among other things, H.R. 2300 would repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it with a plan that includes tax incentives for maintaining health insurance coverage (no individual mandate).

Price's plan would allow the purchase of health insurance with pre-tax dollars; it would provide grants to each state to provide coverage through a high-risk pool; it would allow small business owners to band together across state lines to purchase health coverage for their families and employees at a lower cost; and it would allow insurers licensed to sell policies in one state to offer them to residents of any other state. It also proposes to lower costs through malpractice reform...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; defund; delay; georgia; hr2300; obama; obamacare; patienthealthcare; repeal; tomprice; tompricehealthcare; zerocare

1 posted on 08/25/2013 12:21:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

“Disingenuous” is about the mildest word that can be used, with respect to this matter.


2 posted on 08/25/2013 12:23:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; Alamo-Girl; bd476; The Cajun; ...

Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) — If the only alternative is to allow a government shutdown, Price said, “I’m there.” In fact, he is one of 138 co-sponsors of pending House legislation to defund Obamacare.

H.R.2682 - Defund Obamacare Act of 2013
113th Congress (2013-2014):

http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2682/cosponsors


3 posted on 08/25/2013 12:23:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
President 'Disingenuous' When He Says GOP Has No Alternative to Obamacare

Wow, he's improving, he used to lie better than Satan.

4 posted on 08/25/2013 12:24:40 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This guys plan sounds almost as bad as Obamacare!

The only plan the Republicans need to it repeal Obamacare.

No, plan that forces insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions is acceptable.


5 posted on 08/25/2013 12:25:59 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Olog-hai

Well my only concern about this is, as a non-veteran I do not have the government waiting to take over my healthcare until a certain age.

With employment, constantly getting worse.

This is the reason I am concerned with this issue.

For me, I want a GOP plan. One that is real, and one that offers an alternative.

I’m not on the government dole. In fact I’ve never been on the government dole.

But our current system does not seem safe.

We need (on the GOP side) to be thinking of presenting something for people like me.

Thanks.


6 posted on 08/25/2013 12:30:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Olog-hai

That sounds like the story of the Southern girl, taught at finishing school to say:
“Isn’t that nice?” instead of something vulgar like “f*** you!”.

Yeah, obammy’s not a lying sack of shite: He’s disingenuous.


7 posted on 08/25/2013 12:33:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Jim Robinson

8 posted on 08/25/2013 12:35:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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9 posted on 08/25/2013 12:36:08 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson

The “Free Market” is the only possible conservative alternative. “Leave Me Alone!” 10th Amendment Atlas Shrugged 1984. It is hard to budget when your liabilities are open ended.


10 posted on 08/25/2013 12:36:14 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well I don’t know about the RINO party, but the alternative to Obamacommiecare is the free market which the fascists refuse to allow. Remember how high car insurance was? One accident and you’re paying $5000 a year? Now they beg you to name your own price. They BEG for your business! How many Geico commercials do we hear every day? Same with phones, I remember clear as day getting killed with my phone bill in the 80s, every freakin’ month it was getting turned off for non-payment, now it’s $30-$40 bucks a month unlimited calls AND texting. If the fascists controlled that like they control healthcare we’d be paying $5000 a month for cellphones.


11 posted on 08/25/2013 12:38:29 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm waiting for Republicans for the right comeback to Obama's comments. Republicans have proposed alternatives to ObamaCare. That worries me. Where is a unified message from Republicans that the government should have ZERO involvement in healthcare? Being a mean-spirited conservative I fully support a complete exit from ObamaCare and Medicaid - cold turkey. Medicare is a different story, but eventually Medicare as a program must be privatized.
12 posted on 08/25/2013 12:39:51 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks JimRob. Disingenuous must be a racist term now.


13 posted on 08/25/2013 12:41:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Jim Robinson
There is a deep canyon called the Grand Canyon. It's beautiful and a tremendous recreational attraction. It is literally a wonder of the world.

People can fly over it. People can hike down into it and up the other side. People can raft down it. There are roads on both sides of it to the edge where parks have been set up. Anyone can drive around in their car to get to either or both sides.

Someone comes along, claiming that "Everyone has the right to see the Grand Canyon from above."

They propose building bridge over it with numerous pull outs so people can see the canyon from above. The initial estimate is $3 Billion dollars to build the bridge. They propose an act of congress, but do not divulge any of the details and it gets passed.

It becomes obvious that it is a boondoggle and will be far more expensive than they stated. Renderings show that it will ruin the experience of others coming to see the canyon.

As time goes on, and the costs spiral out of control, pretty much everyone turns against it.

That is, everyone except some Senators, some congressional representatives, the specific contractors who would profit immensely from the job of building it (and who are throwing around a lot of special perqs through their lobbyists), several PAC set up to support the project, and the President of the United States and his administration.

When it becomes obvious that the project cannot be budgeted for because it's price has risen to over $12 billion dollars, and that it is a disaster, the President digs in his heals and begins deriding and chastising all of those against it.

And guess what one of his principle arguments becomes?

"Well, the people against this wonderful project do not have an alternative plan."

The Disasterous 1sts of President Barack Hussein Obama http://www.jeffhead.com/obama1sts.htm

14 posted on 08/25/2013 12:42:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jim Robinson

disingenuous = lying like a prayer rug


15 posted on 08/25/2013 12:45:27 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
the alternative to Obamacommiecare is the free market .

the alternative to Obamacommiecare is the free market .

the alternative to Obamacommiecare is the free market .

the alternative to Obamacommiecare is the free market .

There you go, take your pick.

16 posted on 08/25/2013 12:46:03 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Jim Robinson

“disengenuous” is too long and fancy of a word
for many of his voters to understand

we need to reach his voters

we should use plain language, simple easy words
like “he lied”

(and I do NOT want to hear how disrespectful that is, it means the same damned thing... and besides, do you remember the biggest and most effective lie of all, “Bush Lied, People Died?” Let’s just tell it like it is and see what happens. Maybe some of his voters might actually listen if we speak to them directly about things that are important to them (and drop all these pretentious super-sized words like “disengenuous”)


17 posted on 08/25/2013 12:46:55 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: Jim Robinson

I like Cruz! I supported him for senate I will support him for president.


18 posted on 08/25/2013 12:47:12 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Jim Robinson
The time for calling Obama "disingenuous" is long over with.

Someone prominent needs to call him a "lying bastard", the country needs to hear those words and the hell with MSM and RAT firestorm it creates.

We ain't playing for *funzes* anymore, we're playing for the country, mincing words and being politically correct ain't going to get it.

19 posted on 08/25/2013 12:52:16 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
If the only alternative is to allow a government shutdown

Everytime the gov shuts down, it turns out better for the country.

And when the dems blame it on the republicans (it's there fault when they don't roll over in fear) it is really the dems fault for not approving Conservative CONSTITUTIONAL legislation. Glad to see so many Congress members not shaking in their boots like Boehner Graham etc.

When they find out that Obama is gonna take their depends away, they may start thinking....all wee wee'd up...

20 posted on 08/25/2013 1:05:31 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: faithhopecharity
Imagine writing the word in cursive? “Disingenuous”
21 posted on 08/25/2013 1:15:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: gorush
I don't see a thing wrong with the health care that we had 20 years ago. If you were broke you could still get into a hospital. Your cost would get paid as a sir charge on everyone’s bill. It worked that way for years. Of course you would get a lot of mail from the hospital. That was one reason that the emergency room was always crowded.
22 posted on 08/25/2013 1:24:07 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Olog-hai

OBOZO is a”LIAR” EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS YAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


23 posted on 08/25/2013 1:29:32 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: Jim Robinson
This is slightly off-topic, but we've been reading all these news items about how the government is hiring thousands of people and spending hundreds of millions of dollars to implement Obamacare. This is because the law is so complex that the ordinary person does not know what they are required to do, what their options are, or what the penalties are if they are found to be VIOLATING THE LAW.

Yet the same defenders of Obamacare claim that voter ID laws - which are incomparably easier to comply with, and which require no special bureaucracy to implement - place an undue burden on voters, to the point that the burden is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Does anyone see any hypocrisy in that?
24 posted on 08/25/2013 1:44:42 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Jim Robinson

He sure left some squishy room at the bottom though:

“.....I believe that the administration is going to recognize, once they see that the rollout of these exchanges on October 1 isn’t going to work well, I believe that it’s very possible that the administration will say, look, why don’t we delay this a year?

“And we would say, that sounds like a good idea to us. It’s what we have been calling for. And we may actually be able to do this in a bipartisan way, which certainly would be welcome to the American people.”

I don’t think I like the idea of all of the politicians putting this off until they are all safely Re-elected in 2014 at all! Too much room for bait and switch after the election.


25 posted on 08/25/2013 1:49:06 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
GOP Has No Alternative to Obamacare

Yes they do...

NOTHING!

That's about as "alternative as it gets"

26 posted on 08/25/2013 1:53:30 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Olog-hai

If this guy’s lips are moving, he is lying. Of course, the media never calls him on it.


27 posted on 08/25/2013 1:57:35 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: ANGGAPO

Seriously? you think the rest of us should pay a surcharge? or was that snark?


28 posted on 08/25/2013 1:59:33 PM PDT by conservaKate (R got it wrong in 2012. We must get it right in 2014 & 2016.)
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To: Jim Robinson
President 'Disingenuous' When He Says GOP Has No Alternative to Obamacare

Maybe not, but they system we had, while certainly not perfect, worked a hell of a lot better than the monstrosity known as 0bamacare. Let's go back to that!

29 posted on 08/25/2013 2:18:29 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (For congress, it's not the principle of the thing, it's the money.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Our proposal, H.R. 2300
Guess what the left networks and cable news won’t show.


30 posted on 08/25/2013 2:36:27 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Jim Robinson

Couldn’t we just get the government out of the way and let the free market take care of it?


31 posted on 08/25/2013 2:42:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: Jim Robinson

Barry Soetoro is a fraud. An evil racist heterophobic anti-Christian thug.


32 posted on 08/25/2013 3:37:34 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Jim Robinson
Disingenuous hell ...

Obama LIES!


33 posted on 08/25/2013 3:39:39 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Jim Robinson

THE GOP’s alternative is to say it is a state issue and not an issue the Fed’s need to be involved in.


34 posted on 08/25/2013 5:07:10 PM PDT by edcoil ("Thoughts become things - Think good ones")
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To: edcoil

Well, that is the absolute truth. The feds should butt out.


35 posted on 08/25/2013 5:37:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The House GOP had a 250-page health care reform bill back in 2009 but it was largely ignored by the news media.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/17/news/economy/republican_health_care_bill/

36 posted on 08/25/2013 5:56:14 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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37 posted on 08/25/2013 6:01:03 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jim Robinson

I go to my doctor down the street, I get pills at the local rite-aid, I go home. At no time in my medical care do I cross state lines so the Fed’s have no authority to be involved and I simply wish the GOP would start dividing responsibilities. 13% of my income goes to the state and what do I get for it?


38 posted on 08/25/2013 6:12:33 PM PDT by edcoil ("Thoughts become things - Think good ones")
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To: Jim Robinson

Most times, the answer is, it is the other guys responsibility - what do you think they get paid for - too many feds are on tv show sassuming a responsibility they should not -Paul for an example.


39 posted on 08/25/2013 6:57:31 PM PDT by edcoil ("Thoughts become things - Think good ones")
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To: Jim Robinson

Buuuump!


40 posted on 08/25/2013 8:18:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jim Robinson

138 co-sponsors.
We need 218 votes.
Lots of calls to make and emails to send.

Bookmarking this thread to keep the link you have provided.

Once we complete this quarter’s FReepathon, I think that link will need a thread of its own, so FReepers can easily see which RINO-Critters have yet to pledge or co-sponsor!

Those RINO-Critters will have to be blasted with phone calls and email.


41 posted on 08/25/2013 9:12:49 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: faithhopecharity
Agree with you. Call it what it is: LYING. Socialists/communists/marxists/muslims LIE. It is what they do...they can't tell you the truth and blow their cover. So obozo the clown lies, and lies and lies, as do his cohorts. It's what they know best.
42 posted on 08/25/2013 10:06:36 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Olog-hai
“Disingenuous” is about the mildest word that can be used, with respect to this matter

Yeah, the coward politicians crack me up. They come up with all kinds of creative ways to say "lie". At least Price didn't say Ubama is telling a "falsehood", or even more ridiculous, an "untruth".

Personally, I don't understand the coward politicians' aversion to the simple, clear, one-syllable, 3-letter word "lie".
Can you say, "Ubama is a liar"? I knew you could.

43 posted on 08/25/2013 10:17:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: itssme

The politicians who lie to us all the time do double damage. First of course because their policies usually hurt us. But second because they destroy our system of representative governance. They’re supposed to be our agents but when your agent or representative lies about what he’s doing then you have no way of controlling or supervising what he does (to you or others in your name). I object to all their lies at least as much as I object to their lousy policies.


44 posted on 08/25/2013 10:25:38 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
This guys plan sounds almost as bad as Obamacare!

Sounds like it to me. Just how do you "get" people to get "their own" insurance, without forcing them? This is crap. Republicans are almost as socialist as the (D)estruct-o-crats.
45 posted on 08/25/2013 10:26:33 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: faithhopecharity
Lies from obozo, politicians, the media. We know they lie, and then I think of those low information fools out there who don't know, or don't want to know. God help us in this war to reclaim our Constitution and our country.
46 posted on 08/25/2013 10:53:21 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Jim Robinson

There was also HR 3100 of the previous Congress (2009-2011), which was never discussed in the “Polite Company” of ABC-CBS-CNN-NBC, and only breifly covered by Fox News.


47 posted on 08/26/2013 6:37:53 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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48 posted on 08/26/2013 7:43:24 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Media’s “Republicans Have No Obamacare Replacement” Myth
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:57:58 PM by SeekAndFind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2905803/posts

3 big health-care myths
(debunking the basic “reasons” for obamacare)
Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 9:15:41 PM by SmartInsight
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2318382/posts

“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” –Mark Twain


49 posted on 08/26/2013 2:47:26 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Obama disingenuous? Why not just call it what it is...


50 posted on 08/26/2013 2:52:32 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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