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Woman to government: My inability to remember qualifies me as disabled
http://www.lasvegassun.com ^ | 08/25/2013 | By Brian Nordli (contact)

Posted on 08/26/2013 8:11:22 AM PDT by redreno

Tina Kitchel stirred awake in Spring Valley Hospital with a tube in her mouth and her arms riddled with needle marks from an IV.

Her husband stood at her bedside, relieved to see her awaken. She stared back at him like he was a stranger in a crowd. There was so much she didn’t know.

Nearly two weeks prior, she was in the third trimester of pregnancy — their second child. A complication stopped her heart for 27 minutes. Doctors performed an emergency cesarean section in the hallway of the hospital to rescue her child — and bring her back to life. She had been in a coma for the past 13 days.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: fraud; govtabuse; mediabias; nevada; sourcetitlenoturl; ssdi; tyranny; wut

1 posted on 08/26/2013 8:11:22 AM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

I had a comment but I forgot what I was about to write.


2 posted on 08/26/2013 8:12:54 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

Who did?


3 posted on 08/26/2013 8:13:44 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: redreno

Is this article about H. Clinton?


4 posted on 08/26/2013 8:14:45 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: redreno

She can’t remember her name, but she remembers how to apply for government money...


5 posted on 08/26/2013 8:16:31 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I forgot too!

Sign me up!


6 posted on 08/26/2013 8:18:32 AM PDT by Herbster
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To: redreno

That puts most of us boomers on the disabled list.


7 posted on 08/26/2013 8:18:34 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: redreno

Long term SS disability implies the inability to work, not remember the past.


8 posted on 08/26/2013 8:20:04 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: redreno

Then just send every 2012 Obama voter a monthly disability check. It’s what they all really wanted, anyway.


9 posted on 08/26/2013 8:21:24 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: redreno
Hot diggity dog - SSDI here I come.

Hot diggity dog - SSDI here I come...

10 posted on 08/26/2013 8:21:34 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Cowboy Bob

In fairness, apparently her hoppocampus was destroyed by having her heart stop of 27 minutes. She literally can’t recall anything more than a few minutes -— same as alzheimer’s essentially.

IF being voluntarily fat is a disability (which it is, according to Obama’s ADA regs), this is certainly a disability.


11 posted on 08/26/2013 8:21:40 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: redreno

I agree. I’ve noticed lately two things about me:

1. My short term memory is bad
2. Can’t remember the second thing


12 posted on 08/26/2013 8:22:59 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: Jewbacca
hoppocampus

hippocampus?
13 posted on 08/26/2013 8:23:10 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

No the hippopotamus


14 posted on 08/26/2013 8:24:01 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: redreno
...Tina is one of 3,616 people in Clark County seeking Social Security disability payments. They’re competing for the attention of six administrative judges and they’re looking at 11 months of waiting.

3,616 people in Clark County (Nevada?) seeking benefits? How many people nationwide? 12 million or so checks go out last time I checked.

...$2,000 a month, a stipend for her children and medical insurance...

The Lord can provide for all of these people, and our Christian Bible promises He will, if they seek Him. But how will the Federal government provide for numbers like these?

15 posted on 08/26/2013 8:25:19 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: redreno
I was going to be sarcastic but from the sounds of things this woman has a real problem and should be getting disability.

Can she be retrained into another job? Possibly. With time.

16 posted on 08/26/2013 8:26:32 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: nikos1121

You freep on an iPhone & see how ur speling is.


17 posted on 08/26/2013 8:26:36 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: nikos1121; Jewbacca; aruanan; shibumi

18 posted on 08/26/2013 8:27:47 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: aruanan
hoppocampus

hippocampus?

I think hop-o-campus was the name of a college bar, but I really don't remember much of it.

Seriously, though, if part of her brain was destroyed because of medical problems then I can accept that as a legitimate disability. Running out of your 99 weeks of unemployment and then suddenly finding you have a previously undiagnosed back problem - not so much.

19 posted on 08/26/2013 8:29:04 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: redreno
Today, three years later, “It’s like I woke up in a dystopian society,” Tina says.

Welcome to the party, Pal.

20 posted on 08/26/2013 8:29:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: redreno

She remembers a disability check is the result of her actions. Seems she remembers just fine.


21 posted on 08/26/2013 8:29:43 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: babygene
Long term SS disability implies the inability to work, not remember the past.

No, the hippocampus is responsible for giving you the ability to process short-term memory, not remember the past. It's where the things which just happened to you are temporarily stored until your brain can process them and put them into longer-term storage. If it is damaged, you can no longer remember things. Hers was permanently damaged, along with other past memories, leaving her without the ability to process new memories, as well as severely fractured memories of certain past events.

Sounds like a nightmare scenario to me. I'm saddened to see so many FReepers make fun of her.

22 posted on 08/26/2013 8:29:44 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: nikos1121

“I agree. I’ve noticed lately two things about me:

1. My short term memory is bad
2. Can’t remember the second thing”

You have CRS Syndrome.

Can’t Remember Sh*t.


23 posted on 08/26/2013 8:31:14 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: nikos1121

Thailand?


24 posted on 08/26/2013 8:31:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: nikos1121

Wait a second, did you say the Hippodrome?


25 posted on 08/26/2013 8:31:30 AM PDT by garyb
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To: redreno

I’d say she’s disabled, unfortunately.


26 posted on 08/26/2013 8:37:00 AM PDT by Jeff Winston (Yeah, I think I could go with Cruz in 2016.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Sounds like a nightmare scenario to me. I'm saddened to see so many FReepers make fun of her.

It does indeed sound like a nightmare scenario.

I feel for her and her family.

27 posted on 08/26/2013 8:38:07 AM PDT by Jeff Winston (Yeah, I think I could go with Cruz in 2016.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Can she be retrained into another job? Possibly. With time.


How?

First off, her doctor says she can never work again and he will never clear her to work.

She can’t get to work on her on own. She can’t drive, she can’t take a bus.

She can’t even remember she HAS a job.

Doesn’t matter if she’s watching monitors or peeling potatoes. If she gets up to go the bathroom, she doesn’t know what to come back to. So does the company she’s working for hire someone to lead her around? Who’s going to do that?

Face it. She’s totally disabled.


28 posted on 08/26/2013 8:39:49 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: CodeToad

I have a friend who cannot work because of “chemo brain”. After surviving cancer and chemotherapy 5 times, due to a recurring tumor on the back of her neck, her brain is fried. Her family moved to North Carolina, and she is having trouble driving because nothing looks familiar, even though she has been there a year. She was a manager of a vocational nursing school before the cancer— very employable indeed. Now, she can’t remember new acquaintances and can’t remember instructions, like what to do when it’s her turn on a board game. She can still do things around the house, but it would be dangerous to employ her in a work environment. She could forget something crucial.

There are some people who really are disabled for employment due to memory problems. And of course, even if they would not know or remember about disability, their loved ones sure would.


29 posted on 08/26/2013 8:49:53 AM PDT by married21
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FReepathon
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Please donate today.

30 posted on 08/26/2013 8:52:12 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: KarlInOhio

There are folks who have worked for years with a disability and never said anything because their job didn’t impact the disability. Then “SHAZAM!”, they’re laid off work and can’t find a job in the same discipline.

The jobs I held were basically desk jobs requiring occasional field work but mostly mental, like analysis and writing reports. The fact I had a serious, potentially life-threatening disability because my lower back had been broken due to physical abuse when I was 3-years old, never impacted my job performance. Then I was laid off.

I have not been able to get another job. I cannot lift anything heavier than 15 lbs. Constant walking, carrying weight or lifting a heavy object is out of the question.

Thankfully, the back problem hasn’t resulted in my becoming a paraplegic, though that may be in the future. Right now I have only six months to go before Social Security kicks in.

Apply for disability? No. But I do understand why some people would do so.


31 posted on 08/26/2013 8:55:18 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OFCITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Cowboy Bob
She can’t remember her name, but she remembers how to apply for government money...

Exactly. And she'll damn well remember that a check is coming every month once the government puts her on the gravy train too. This is what is going to kill this country. Society doesn't function when everyone is on the public teet and no one is working.

32 posted on 08/26/2013 8:55:54 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: babygene

Coma, brain injury, permanent residual memory impairment, are you going to hire her? In addition to reminding her about what she is doing every few minutes, you will need to hire a couple of extra people to keep her from wandering off.


33 posted on 08/26/2013 8:57:04 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

There are those happy with “... 11 months of waiting.”

Ask any attorney, the longer the wait the more they reap in fees.


34 posted on 08/26/2013 9:03:50 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: George from New England

Not just the attorneys.

I know of two people (one possibly disabled, one a scammer)who finally got disability AND retroactive payments in a lump sum to cover the wait.


35 posted on 08/26/2013 9:11:41 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

The formula is:

Attorney gets 40% of the ssdi amount from the time of original appl until ssdi is granted. Nothing after that.

So no lawyer in private practice or lawyer in congress wants a speedy process.


36 posted on 08/26/2013 9:42:20 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: reformedliberal

The retroactive payments are the trough from which the attorneys feed, on the order of 30-40%.


37 posted on 08/26/2013 9:42:45 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: married21

I don’t believe in public welfare such as SSI. There are insurance programs, Short and Longer Term Disability people pay for, including myself. I shouldn’t be taxed to pay for someone else’s disability insurance as well. That’s taxation without representation; they take my money to represent someone else.


38 posted on 08/26/2013 9:46:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: chaosagent
You are correct that she is disabled as things currently stand. I do however hold out hope that she may, in the future, heal a bit or we might discover some way of helping her.

But for right now she is not able to work at any paying job.

39 posted on 08/26/2013 10:06:55 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: babygene
Long term SS disability implies the inability to work, not remember the past.

You mean things in the past like...how to do her technically-demanding job? Or the inability to remember anything long enough to master a new skill? There is a reason for disability payments, and not everyone who tries to get them is scamming the system. This woman's ability to remember anything has been destroyed. She can't return to her old job. She can't learn a new one. Her condition may improve, but likely it won't. She paid into Social Security while working. She's entitled to the safety net now.

40 posted on 08/26/2013 10:17:51 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: babygene

My husband was training an employee to do a fairly simple task, each day she would master the task and be doing fine. Hubby told me the problem was every day she showed up it was as if she had forgotten what she had learned before, he literally had to train her every morning. He trained people for years and said she was the only one he felt he could not train. I have no idea if the woman he tried to train had some sort of issue or if her mind just couldn’t wrap around that sort of work, but not remembering really can be an issue to holding a job.


41 posted on 08/26/2013 10:26:17 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: George from New England
Attorney gets 40% of the ssdi amount from the time of original appl until ssdi is granted. Nothing after that.

No, the compensation for attorneys working on denied disability claims is set by law at 15%, not 40%, plus a reasonable amount for expenses. . . Which is usually set by the administrative law judge. You're right that it applies only to the arrears amount.

42 posted on 08/26/2013 10:29:59 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: aruanan

hip-hoppocampus. Prevalent in certain segments of society.


43 posted on 08/26/2013 10:48:17 AM PDT by catman67
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To: SatinDoll
My wife has always had difficulties her lower back also from being abused as a child and was also in a car accident and had to have three vertebrae in her neck fused together. She used to work as an activity director in Nursing Homes, a job which frequently requires moving large people who sometimes are basically dead weight especially when away from the facility. It was challenging for her when she was younger but she was able to make do. Now she really can't do that type of work anymore.

We don't consider her disabled at this point because there are things that she can do... so she does a lot of volunteer work. She never applied for unemployment because there were complications after her surgery where she had some very bad digestive problems and lost a lot of weight (down to well under 80 pounds). We really weren't sure if she was even going to make it for a while. And she could not work at that time or even volunteer. So she is also now just a few years from being able to collect normal Social Security.

She has been trying to find work because things have been tight for our family these past few years. Unfortunately, now that she hasn't worked for several years; it is very difficult for her to find a job especially especially given that she has some limitations. When we were younger she never had any difficulties... she is very good at interviews, but now that she is older and has had some health issues... no one even calls back for a followup.

We are going to be fine, but we have a greater understanding of the difficulties other people are going through.

We do know other people who are very good at taking advantage of the system. We are very close to someone who spent 27 years enlisted in the Airforce. She started having disc problems in her neck and had two of her vertabret fused. Then she went off on disability. She gets a substantial retirement but she gets a much larger amount every month from her "disability".

Her husband is a full bird colonel. She of course didn't know what to do with herself after her structured life in the military came to an end. She ended up getting hooked on prescription pain medications. Her situation is kind of a mess at this point, but it is amazing the amount of government dollars she is pulling in. It is over twice what my wife ever made while she was working.

44 posted on 08/26/2013 11:03:16 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: COBOL2Java

“No, the hippocampus is responsible for giving you the ability to process short-term memory, not remember the past. It’s where the things which just happened to you are temporarily stored until your brain can process them and put them into longer-term storage. If it is damaged, you can no longer remember things. Hers was permanently damaged, along with other past memories, leaving her without the ability to process new memories, as well as severely fractured memories of certain past events. “

If it is as you describe it, then indeed she would be disabled.


45 posted on 08/26/2013 11:25:30 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene
Read this book, by Dr. Oliver Sacks, which is a fascinating series of essays about patients he's treated with neurological conditions:


Particularly the chapter "The Lost Mariner", who destroyed his hippocampus through alcoholism. As recounted in the Wikipedia entry on the book:
"The Lost Mariner", about Jimmie G., who has lost the ability to form new memories due to Korsakoff's syndrome. He can remember nothing of his life since the end of World War II, including events that happened only a few minutes ago. He believes it is still 1945 (in the late 70s and early 80s), and seems to behave as a normal, intelligent young man aside from his inability to remember most of his past and the events of his day-to-day life. He struggles to find meaning, satisfaction, and happiness in the midst of constantly forgetting what he is doing from one moment to the next.

46 posted on 08/26/2013 11:51:40 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Jeff Winston

They made a movie about a guy with this problem. The name of the movie is memento and if you watch it you will see how this woman is truly disabled. Truly a gut wrenching movie.


47 posted on 08/26/2013 12:01:59 PM PDT by calex59
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To: SatinDoll

SatinDoll, you should go ahead and apply. You worked, you paid in, it is part of what came out of your paycheck every month. Don’t let the “stigma” get in the way. It can actually add to your SS payments. So go do it, today. Take a copy of your medical records showing your physical problems with you.


48 posted on 08/26/2013 12:43:28 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: redreno

I recall when living in the midwest during the 80’s, the church we were attending had a ministry helping residents in a senior citizen apartment building that was open for government welfare recipients. The old folks were great, but.... one year they started renting to alchololics of any age. The seniors were afraid to leave their apartments, the social room where they would play cards before now wreaked of alchohol. The govenment had declared alchoholism a disability and made the housing unit open to them.

Also, the children on learning disability drug (can’t recall name) were declared on government disability also.


49 posted on 08/26/2013 12:55:44 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: calex59

I’ve seen it, but it was a long time ago.


50 posted on 08/26/2013 3:37:39 PM PDT by Jeff Winston (Yeah, I think I could go with Cruz in 2016.)
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