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An American Satyricon [VDH]
National Review ^ | 8/27/2013 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/27/2013 6:49:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

Our elites would be right at home in Petronius’s world of debauchery and bored melodrama.

Sometime in the mid-first century a.d., an otherwise little known consular official, Gaius Petronius, wrote a brilliant satirical novel about the gross and pretentious new Roman-imperial elite. The Satyricon is an often-cruel parody about how the Roman agrarian republic of old had degenerated into a wealth-obsessed, empty society of wannabe new elites, flush with money, and both obsessed with and bored with sex. Most of the Satyricon is lost. But in its longest surviving chapter — “Dinner with Trimalchio” — Petronius might as well have been describing our own 21st-century nomenklatura.

For the buffoonish libertine guests of the host Trimalchio, food and sex are in such surfeit that they have to be repackaged in bizarre and repulsive ways. Think of someone like the feminist mayor of San Diego, Bob Filner, who once railed about the need to enforce sexual-harassment laws, now only to discover ever creepier ways to grope, pat, grab, squeeze, pinch, and slobber on 18 co-workers and veritable strangers, whether in their 20s or over 60. Unfortunately, the sexual luridness does not necessarily end with Filner’s resignation; one of his would-be replacements is already under attack by his opponents on allegations that as a city councilman he was caught masturbating in the city-hall restroom between public meetings.

In good Petronian fashion, the narcissist Anthony Weiner sent pictures of his own genitalia to near-strangers, under the Latinate pseudonym “Carlos Danger.” Was Eliot Spitzer any better? As the governor of New York, he preferred anonymous numbers — “Client #9” — to false names, real to virtual sex, very young to mature women, and buying rather than romancing his partners. Is there some Petronian prerequisite in our age that our ascendant politicians must be perverts?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cyrus; miley; omg; vdh

1 posted on 08/27/2013 6:49:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Sir Napsalot; Kaslin; neverdem; EXCH54FE; 2ndDivisionVet; Rummyfan; smoothsailing; Hojczyk; ...

VDH ping. One of his best as he “connects ALL the dots”.


2 posted on 08/27/2013 7:19:35 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
I knew that Miley’s tongue wagging looked familiar to me but I couldn't get it right.

I now know it reminds me of medieval gargoyles in the ancient cathedrals of Europe meant to remind worshipers of the demons of Hell.

Also Aztec demons of their underworld.

Seems very appropriate....

3 posted on 08/27/2013 7:24:36 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey
I now know it reminds me of medieval gargoyles in the ancient cathedrals of Europe meant to remind worshipers of the demons of Hell.

Good call. This "obsessed with and bored with sex" culture is absolutely sent straight from hell.


4 posted on 08/27/2013 7:27:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Beetlejuice boffs a skank.


5 posted on 08/27/2013 7:28:16 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Servant of the Cross

OBayMe and Liberal’s Sodom and Gomorrah?


6 posted on 08/27/2013 7:31:31 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Servant of the Cross

I imagine Miley will get very “up close and personal” with the real thing alot sooner than she bagains for.

I do hope she sees the error of her ways and takes “proper corrective action”.

I know where she is at and it is possible...with Faith.


7 posted on 08/27/2013 7:32:10 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Stormdog
Beetlejuice boffs a skank.

Ain't That America ... circa 2013 ...


8 posted on 08/27/2013 7:33:29 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Anyone watch the movie FELLINI SATYRICON?

Perversity in ancient ROME almost at it’s worst. Only the movie CALIGULA (the porn version) was worse.


9 posted on 08/27/2013 7:34:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: RedMonqey

LOL ... she evidences already being a ho. Billy Ray must be so proud.


10 posted on 08/27/2013 7:36:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
I certainly agree with your sentiments and yes, she deserves the chastisements heaped upon her.

But we also should remind ourselves that this is a young woman with great temptations.

I know I had my rebellious time in my youth that was tempered only with time and, yes getting to the point of “burning out”

I'm lucky I didn't have an national stage to show how big an disaster I made of myself and my life.

As for Billy Ray, I offer him greater “damnation” for he encouraged his daughter in this direction when he “pimped out” his child in those waaay too revealing photo spread.

He, as an adult should have known better...

11 posted on 08/27/2013 7:46:11 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

I have had a passing interest in the rising film careers of the Hemsworth brothers. Liam Hemsworth is dating, or the fiance of, Ms. Cyrus. I’ve scratched his name off the list of character actors whose movies I care to see. How do you see something like this spectacle and proudly say, “that’s my girlfriend?”


12 posted on 08/27/2013 7:46:38 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Satyricon was a great movie, possibly Fellini’s best. The so-called porn was incidental. The movie Caligula was a crude piece of garbage, with nothing in common with Satyricon other than that they are both set in Rome.

You mean to say its worst, not it’s worst. It’s is the contraction for “it is”.


13 posted on 08/27/2013 7:54:49 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Haven't even heard of "FELLINI SATYRICON"

Only the movie CALIGULA (the porn version) was worse.

Much to my regret and discredit, yes I am familar with that "film" Bad acting, bad set design bad everything...

But probaly a good description of the depravity of Rome during that time.

I suggest watching "I, Claudius", available at Netflix I imagine, for a better performance piece of that period. It is a British drama series that does have some nudity but not as nearly graphic as "Caligula"

And you will see some old familar faces of British actors when they were young...
14 posted on 08/27/2013 7:56:26 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey
I, Claudius

I believe that's..."I CLAVDIVS"

15 posted on 08/27/2013 7:58:34 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I believe that's... "I CLAVDIVS"

I believe IIRC, in the opening credits, it is written in tile artwork "I CLAVDIVS" as you say but I suggest one uses my spelling to find it on NetFlix.
16 posted on 08/27/2013 8:02:30 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Servant of the Cross
. One of his best as he “connects ALL the idiots.
17 posted on 08/27/2013 8:05:14 AM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Servant of the Cross

VDH Bump. One of his best in tying it all together.


18 posted on 08/27/2013 8:06:33 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RedMonqey

Yeah yeah...

Just jiving ya.


19 posted on 08/27/2013 8:20:10 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I did. Fellini portrayed well the decadence, including gay weddings and Arab like pirates slaughtering the parties.


20 posted on 08/27/2013 8:27:29 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

We “be cool, bro”


21 posted on 08/27/2013 9:55:24 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey

***I suggest watching “I, Claudius”,****

I saw it on PBS about thirty years ago. It was great!

One person wrote into the editor of a newspaper about how could such a show have (gasp) NUDITY, but not regular TV.

The editor said that nudity is ok in a classic work but not in Hollywood clap-trap!


22 posted on 08/27/2013 11:56:43 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: lavaroise
Ain't she cute!


23 posted on 08/27/2013 11:59:37 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I saw it on PBS about thirty years ago. It was great!

That's when I first saw it.

On PBS...

In the Afternoon..

As an 14 yr old it was pretty heddy stuff but it did get me into reading Roman history and not the dry, boring stuff taught at school....
24 posted on 08/27/2013 12:07:39 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Servant of the Cross
Is there some Petronian prerequisite in our age that our ascendant politicians must be perverts?

Apparently so. And apparently there are plenty of people dumb enough or apathetic enough to still vote for them.

25 posted on 08/27/2013 12:08:04 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“Where are my eagles!!!!!” Shouted the Emperor.

(meaning the Legions lost in the German Forests)

I remember that scene!


26 posted on 08/27/2013 12:11:45 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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