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Re: Former Hillary Press Secretary Refuses to Agree Alger Hiss Was a Communist
National Review ^ | 8-27-2013 | Ian Tuttle

Posted on 08/27/2013 2:31:34 PM PDT by smoothsailing

August 27, 2013

Re: Former Hillary Press Secretary Refuses to Agree Alger Hiss Was a Communist

Ian Tuttle

Reference:John Fund-Former Hillary Press Secretary Refuses to Agree Alger Hiss Was a Communist

Karen Finney’s refusal to acknowledge that Alger Hiss was a Communist spy — let alone a Soviet agent with a direct hand in crafting American policy during World War II and the crucial early Cold War years — should, alas, come as no surprise. The Cold War years are full of unpleasant memories for the Left, whose intellectuals, ignoring the horrors of the Russian Revolution, Stalin’s massacres, and much more, touted Communism as the wave of the future, and whose policies caved to Communism’s aggressive expansion across the globe.

More than half a century on, when they’ve been shown to be on “the wrong side of history,” to use a favorite liberal notion, Joe McCarthy is one of the few pleasant memories of the period for the Left: an alcoholic Republican senator who launched a shameless inquisition to expose a conspiracy theory — hundreds of Communist operatives secretly working against the United States.

Of course, there is the unpleasant fact that McCarthy was, by and large, right. That makes Hiss a particular problem: Acknowledge he’s a spy and you might have to admit that McCarthy — and, even worse, then-congressman Richard Nixon — were onto something.

But there is more at stake than holding onto an effective rhetorical bludgeon. One cannot — or perhaps should not — mention Alger Hiss without acknowledging the man who, at great personal risk, unmasked him: Whittaker Chambers (who would eventually write for this publication at the behest of Bill Buckley). Chambers chronicled his “impossible return” from the Communist underground in his autobiography, Witness, surely one of the great books of the 20th century.

In it he explains what we might call the Finney Phenomenon:

Thus men who sincerely abhorred the word Communism, in the pursuit of common ends found that they were unable to distinguish Communists from themselves, except that it was just the Communists who were likely to be most forthright and most dedicated in the common cause. . . . Any charge of Communism enraged them precisely because they could not grasp the differences between themselves and those against whom it was made.

This is not to give credence to any “Obama the Commie” bumper stickers, but Chambers’s point is damning: Communism, socialism, and their friendlier-faced relation, modern liberalism (“progressivism”), are close kin. They spring from the same philosophical root, and they each reach toward the same end. We see their commensurability today in many liberals’ cultish devotion to the Castro brothers, Hugo Chavez, and Che Guevara.

Karen Finney might have a tough time labeling Alger Hiss a Communist because, in fact, he looks rather disconcertingly like a modern-day liberal.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algerhiss; bankstreet; billayers; communist; genevieve; hughhewitt; karenfinney; univbeirut

1 posted on 08/27/2013 2:31:34 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; Revolting cat!

Being a Democrat means never having to acknowledge facts.


2 posted on 08/27/2013 2:33:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’d go so far to say that being a DIMocRAT means that you a subhuman degenerate bent on destroying Freedom and Free America...and you should be in prison (or deported).


3 posted on 08/27/2013 2:34:44 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: smoothsailing
So today alone, prominent press secretaries have said Hiss was not a Communist and Obama’s said Syria was the first to use gas (forgetting about the hundreds of Kurds who where gassed by Saddam)

Yup, these are qualified mouth pieces for the left alright.

4 posted on 08/27/2013 2:34:47 PM PDT by llevrok ("It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words....." - Geo. Orwell)
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To: smoothsailing
This person couldn't care less.  Birds of a feather...


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5 posted on 08/27/2013 2:37:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: smoothsailing

Like minds.


6 posted on 08/27/2013 2:38:36 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: smoothsailing

Mafia????? What’s the mafia????

The Commie Rats cannot admit that Commies long ago infiltrated the ranks of government because there are now more Commies in the US government than there are flies on a $h!+pile the size of Mt. Everest. The sheeple might start to wonder why more questions aren’t being asked.


7 posted on 08/27/2013 2:39:17 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: Vaquero

Maybe we will find out years from now who were the spies in the Govt for AQ and the Muslim Brotherhood. There are certainly some who hold views of the Muslim Brotherhood who are dangerous.


8 posted on 08/27/2013 2:40:48 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: smoothsailing
Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr. "The Guilt of Alger Hiss"
9 posted on 08/27/2013 2:41:30 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: smoothsailing
Imagine living in that dog's breakfast of a soul .. absolute denial would needs be one's constant and only defense mechanism against disintegration.

Then again, one could completely jettison truth and integrity and become a brazen whore for the Left.


Oops, sorry :     </echo>

10 posted on 08/27/2013 2:41:40 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: smoothsailing
And today it's Michele Bachmann, almost alone, trying to call out the muslim brotherhood infiltration into the highest levels of US government.


11 posted on 08/27/2013 2:41:41 PM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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12 posted on 08/27/2013 2:44:28 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: smoothsailing

Two words: venona intercepts.


13 posted on 08/27/2013 2:45:02 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: smoothsailing
Read the (fine) book...
if your can find a copy, it's a great read.

14 posted on 08/27/2013 2:54:02 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: smoothsailing

As Chambers said at the time, “… when I took up my little sling and aimed at Communism, I also hit something else. What I hit was the forces of that great socialist revolution, which, in the name of liberalism, spasmodically, incompletely, somewhat formlessly, but always in the same direction, has been inching its ice cap over the nation for two decades.”

Liberalism is just communism on the installment plan, but liberals never like to admit that. As Ronald Reagan said of John Kennedy at the time “under that tousled, boyish haircut is the same old Karl Marx!”


15 posted on 08/27/2013 2:57:38 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: smoothsailing

The salient point is not that he was a communist - disgusting as that is, many are harmless old fools - but that he was a SPY and a TRAITOR.


16 posted on 08/27/2013 2:58:58 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: a fool in paradise

To ‘rats, there are no enemies, just friends with unacknowledged grievances.


17 posted on 08/27/2013 3:01:53 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: neverdem; narses; Nachum; SunkenCiv; MHGinTN; NeoCaveman; xsmommy; Texan5; TexasCajun

Now, now.

Obama is just following HIS sworn (upon a Koran? upon a comic book?) other of orifice (er, oath of office).

After all, did he not swear to oppose ALL ENEMIES, foreign and domestic? It’s just that to Obama, all of HIS enemies are those few who remain white, conservative, Christian, God-fearing, straight capitalists!

We are, with this latest Syrian warfare propaganda, only proposing to bomb the enemies of HIS allies in the Muslim world.


18 posted on 08/27/2013 3:07:25 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: smoothsailing
"...a Soviet agent with a direct hand in crafting American policy during World War II and the crucial early Cold War years..."

IIRC, Hiss also wrote the lion's share of the UN Charter, didn't he?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

19 posted on 08/27/2013 3:09:45 PM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: smoothsailing

While this did occur petty Ian Tuttle doesn’t reference where it took place and who she was talking to. Now why would that happen ?


20 posted on 08/27/2013 3:10:29 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: a fool in paradise

There are no COMMIES or TERRORISTS who THE DEMOCRATS don’t have their back.


21 posted on 08/27/2013 3:18:34 PM PDT by spawn44 ( MOO)
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To: mosesdapoet
While this did occur petty Ian Tuttle doesn’t reference where it took place and who she was talking to. Now why would that happen ?

Tuttle links to John Fund who links to Politico who links to Hugh Hewitt.

That covers it and properly sources it, wouldn't you agree?

22 posted on 08/27/2013 3:23:57 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Oldexpat

The regime are the spies, the admin is the Muslim brotherhood. They don’t even try to hide it.


23 posted on 08/27/2013 3:25:30 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: smoothsailing
This creature – THE BITCH OF BENGHAZI – must NEVER again be allowed to infest the White House!

Rose Law Firm files!

Tyson cattle futures scam!

Vince Foster!

Benghazi and the COVERUP! "What DIFFERENCE does it make?"

State Department corruption!

The NEW YORK TIMES' expose of corruption in Clinton's “charitable” foundation!! Hear Klintoon reveal herself in this 8 second clip at an earlier Demoncrap meeting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiByPtZiQsw


24 posted on 08/27/2013 3:27:31 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire)
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To: smoothsailing
“Communist” is such an ugly word.In future let's use “progressive”.
25 posted on 08/27/2013 3:32:42 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: smoothsailing

Marxists and Democrats, (oops I repeat myself) stick together.


26 posted on 08/27/2013 3:36:55 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: smoothsailing
What difference, at this point, does it make?
27 posted on 08/27/2013 3:40:14 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: smoothsailing

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Re: Former Hillary Press Secretary Refuses to Agree Alger Hiss Was a Communist, : Responding to my comment
“While this did occur petty Ian Tuttle doesn’t reference where it took place and who she was talking to. Now why would that happen ?”smoothsailing wrote
Tuttle links to John Fund who links to Politico who links to Hugh Hewitt.

“That covers it and properly sources it, wouldn’t you agree?”

Hewitt is one of the guys I monitor I heard that re- broadcast (Chicago WIND 560 am 2-5 am) it was pretty funny e He’s on the same time as red eye but it demonstrates the type of competition that goes on within conservative circles and how petty some of these people can be or the devices they use.


28 posted on 08/27/2013 3:43:14 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: hal ogen
I’d go so far to say that being a DIMocRAT means that you a subhuman degenerate bent on destroying Freedom and Free America...and you should be in prison (or deported).

Talk has long past with these cretins. We need to rid this place of all of these commies.

29 posted on 08/27/2013 3:44:58 PM PDT by Digger
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To: smoothsailing

The left are the soul mates of Communist infiltrators and agents like Hiss. It’s why they despise men like Nixon and McCarthy.


30 posted on 08/27/2013 4:01:41 PM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: muir_redwoods

Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel did great research on the Venona intercepts.


31 posted on 08/27/2013 4:24:32 PM PDT by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: Gay State Conservative

B^)


32 posted on 08/27/2013 4:25:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: a fool in paradise

The fantasy of a workers’ paradise versus the reality of the Siberian gulag.


33 posted on 08/27/2013 4:47:06 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: smoothsailing

Considering that Hillary was taught by communists in law school and worked for Communist Party members/law firm on the Black Panther/New Haven torture murder case of Alex Rackley, why should it be a surprise that her staff didn’t hold similar “denial” or “coverup” views about Hiss, Harry Dexter White, Frank Coe, etc?

Old Bill had his Communist contacts too, including his college roommate from Czechoslovakia, and then in Russia.

Lots to answer for.


34 posted on 08/27/2013 5:12:49 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: TurboZamboni
To ‘rats, there are no enemies, just friends with unacknowledged grievances.

Democrats never met a Communist they could criticize and never met a Conservative they could praise.

35 posted on 08/27/2013 5:29:51 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: mosesdapoet

From what I gather it occurred while she was talking (on tape) with Dennis Praeger. He played the tapes on this evening’s show after the whole thing ran all over the internet.

I’m not sure, but it may have been an interview from yesterday or possibly last week (that was broadcast live initially).


36 posted on 08/27/2013 5:33:04 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: mosesdapoet

My error, Hugh Hewitt. They are both on the same station in my city. Their voices and presentations are different, but I often fumble their names.


37 posted on 08/27/2013 5:33:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: windsorknot

The presstitute was in error by trying to pin off all the “hysteria” as unfounded (there is more sham and scare in the Globalist Warming scare). She was in error by tryng to pin off all the “hysteria” as being whipped up by Joseph McCarthy (investigations into Communist influence in American government, academia, and media dated back to the 1930s and continued into the 1960s, The Crucible was written before McCarthy was even a figure in the “show”). She was in error in proclaiming Joseph McCarthy himself to be “off base” even if others in the “hunt” were more grounded. He was right in some of his rhetoric. There is 70 years of fraudulent Red smearing of the investigations that was also reckless “rhetoric”. Stalinists lie. ALWAYS.


38 posted on 08/27/2013 5:39:24 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise; mosesdapoet

Yep, it was Hugh...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/karen-finney-hugh-hewitt-95937.html#ixzz2dB8EJ5QO


39 posted on 08/27/2013 6:44:10 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Most Americans have never heard of Alger Hiss; nor do they know what a communist is. So one can say anything and win in the USA today.


40 posted on 08/27/2013 7:57:13 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Wow, communists could even fool the people of AR.


41 posted on 08/27/2013 7:58:07 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Thanks Robert A. Cook, PE.


42 posted on 08/27/2013 8:38:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: smoothsailing

If “Karen Finney” told me the sky was blue I’d head right to the eye doctor.


43 posted on 08/27/2013 9:17:57 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.peacekey.com/1-1-a/UN_Web/1_UN_Book/The_Fearful_Master_09.htm

EXCERPT FROM CHAPTER NINE:

It is truly fantastic, but here is the record:

Alger Hiss: In 1950 Hiss was convicted and sent to prison for perjury involving statements relating to his Communist activities. Since the second Hiss trial evidence has continued to be amassed through other congressional investigations that is even more incriminating than that used for his conviction. As it was, the FBI had solid evidence of Hiss’s Communist activities as far back as 1939 and had even issued numerous security reports to the justice Department and executive branch dealing with this fact.1 In addition, a parade of former Communists testified that they personally had known and worked with Alger Hiss as a fellow member of the party.

It is worth noting that Alger Hiss was very influential with the leaders of the Institute of Pacific Relations, which a Senate committee found to be infiltrated at the top by Communists. Hiss was one of the trustees of the IPR and was very active in its affairs.2

Mr. J. Anthony Panuch, who had been assigned the task of supervising the security aspects of the transfer of large numbers of personnel from various war agencies to the State Department in the fall of 1945, testified that as a security officer he had access to conclusive information on Hiss’s Communist activity; but when he tried to do something about it, it was he, not Hiss, who was dismissed.3

In 1944 Hiss became acting director of the Office of Special Political Affairs which had charge of all postwar planning, most of which directly involved the creation of the United Nations; and in March 1945, in spite of all the FBI reports and other adverse security information circulating among the top echelons of government, he was promoted to director of that office.

It is more than a little ironic that Alger Hiss was the man who traveled with FDR to Yalta as his State Department advisor. It was at the Yalta meeting that the decision was made to give the Soviets three votes in the General Assembly to one for the United States. Giving votes to the Russians for the Ukrainian SSR and Byelorussia SSR made as much sense as giving extra votes to the United States for Texas and California. At any rate, even if Roosevelt had been inclined to protest this absurd agreement, he was up against the demands of Joe Stalin and the advice of Alger Hiss.

The Dumbarton Oaks Conference was held in 1944 to determine the future form that the United Nations would take. It was an extremely important meeting since most of the really critical decisions were made there. This meeting was so hush-hush that the public and even the press were excluded from the proceedings. Alger Hiss was the executive secretary of this conference.

Hiss’s role at the San Francisco conference, where the United Nations was finally taken off the drawing board and put on the assembly line, is better known to most Americans. He was the chief planner and executive of the entire affair. He organized the American delegation and was the acting secretary-general. Visitor passes bore his signature. According to the April 16, 1945, issue of Time magazine:

The Secretary-General for the San Francisco Conference was named at Yalta but announced only last week— lanky, Harvard trained Alger Hiss, one of the State Department’s brighter young men. Alger Hiss was one of the Harvard Law School students whose records earned them the favor of Professor (now justice) Felix Frankfurter and a year as secretary to the late justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. He was drafted from a New York law firm by the New Deal in 1933, joined the State Department in 1936, accompanied President Roosevelt to Yalta. -At San Francisco, he and his Secretariat of 300 (mostly Americans) will have the drudging, thankless clerk’s job of copying, translating and publishing, running the thousands of paper-clip and pencil chores of an international meeting. But Alger Hiss will be an important figure there. As secretary-general, managing the agenda, he will have a lot to say behind the scenes about who gets the breaks.4

Hiss was not only the acting secretary-general at the San Francisco conference, but also served on the steering and executive committees which were charged with the responsibility of actually writing the new Charter.5 In such a position, he undoubted wielded a tremendous amount of influence on the drafting of the Charter itself. He did not do it single-handedly, however, as some critics of the United Nations have claimed. For instance, Andrei Gromyko was asked during a press conference in 1958 whether he considered it a violation of the Charter for a country to send its forces into the territory of another. He replied: “Believe me, I sit here as one who helped to draft the UN Charter, and I had a distinct part in drafting this part of the Charter with my own hands.”6

At the conclusion of the conference Alger Hiss personally carried the freshly written document back to Washington by plane for Senate ratification. The Charter traveled in a black water-tight box with a parachute. The master planners were taking no chances.

Knowing that Alger Hiss was a Soviet agent, the FBI had prepared an extensive surveillance of his activities during the San Francisco conference. Shortly after Hiss learned of this through his contacts in the Justice Department, however, the FBI received orders from the top to cancel its plans.7

An entire book could be written on the single subject of Alger Hiss and his influence over the United Nations during its formative phase. But, as important as he was, he was only one man. Had Hiss never been born, or had he spent his entire life in a monastery, the UN would still be what it is today, for Hiss was not alone.


44 posted on 08/27/2013 9:40:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Interesting title he got given there: So ole Hiss was “Secretary-General” of the Commission that formed the UN charter, eh?

Same title as the head of the Communist Party, right?


45 posted on 08/27/2013 9:48:26 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

If you read a little further, you’ll come to a fellow named Jessup, one of the founders of The American University of Beirut, whose grandson (iirc) married an Austalian woman, whose daughter Genevieve attended The Bank Street School while William Ayres was a teacher...and his father was a member of the Board:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2904263/posts?page=93#93

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2904263/posts?page=201#201

It’s all more than I can absorb...


46 posted on 08/27/2013 10:28:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Jessup

However, in two speeches on the floor of the Senate, McCarthy gave his evidence regarding Jessup’s “unusual affinity for Communist causes”:

1.That Jessup had been affiliated with five Communist front groups; 2.That Jessup had been a leading light in the Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR) at a time that organization was reflecting the Communist Party line; 3.And that he had “pioneered the smear campaign against Nationalist China and Chiang Kai-shek” and propagated the “myth of the ‘democratic Chinese Communist’” through the IPR magazine, Far Eastern Survey, over which he had “absolute control”; 4.That Jessup had associated with known Communists in the IPR; 5.That the IPR’s American Council under Jessup’s guidance had received more than $7,000 of Communist funds from Frederick Vanderbilt Field; 6.That Jessup had “expressed vigorous opposition” to attempts to investigate Communist penetration of the IPR; 7.That Jessup had urged that United States atom bomb production be brought to a halt in 1946, and that essential atomic ingredients be “dumped into the ocean”;

8.That Jessup had appeared as a character witness for Alger Hiss, and that later, after Alger Hiss’s conviction, Jessup had found “no reason whatever to change his opinion about Hiss’s veracity, loyalty and integrity.”

McCarthy’s allegations severely damaged Jessup’s reputation and career .

Nonetheless, President Harry S. Truman appointed Jessup as United States delegate to the United Nations in 1951. However, when the appointment came before the Senate it was not approved, largely because of McCarthy’s influence. Truman circumvented the Senate by assigning Jessup to the United Nations on an “interim appointment.”

Shortly after John F. Kennedy took office as president, the State Department approved the appointment of Jessup as U.S. candidate for the International Court of Justice, a post that did not need Senate confirmation. He served from 1961 until 1970.


47 posted on 08/27/2013 10:42:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: IncPen

ping #44


48 posted on 08/27/2013 10:43:48 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Nailbiter

Not hard to believe this (or worse) is at the helm in DC.


49 posted on 08/28/2013 7:43:59 AM PDT by IncPen (When you start talking about what we 'should' have, you've made the case for the Second Amendment)
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