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Motorcycles running red lights? It's the law... sometimes (Wisconsin)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 28 aug 2013

Posted on 08/28/2013 3:05:14 AM PDT by rellimpank

West Allis resident John Glass used to pull up to intersections on his motorcycle and sometimes find he was stuck.

Traffic lights remained red because they didn't sense his bike, and the longtime motorcycle enthusiast would have to take a roundabout route or wait for a car to come and trigger the sensors.

Today, Glass knows what to do: He simply runs the red lights.

With thousands of Harley riders descending on Milwaukee this week for Harley-Davidson's 110th anniversary celebration, you might see quite a few motorcyclists running red lights — and they have the right to do so, under certain circumstances.

A 2006 state statute says motorcyclists and bicyclists can go through red lights if they believe traffic signals aren't picking up their presence, if the intersection is free of cross traffic and if they've waited at least 45 seconds.

The problem, Glass said, is not a lot of people, including police officers, seem to know the law exists.

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1 posted on 08/28/2013 3:05:15 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: afraidfortherepublic

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2 posted on 08/28/2013 3:11:44 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Interesting...


3 posted on 08/28/2013 3:20:05 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: rellimpank
A law based on common sense. Unbelievable.
4 posted on 08/28/2013 3:25:07 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: rellimpank; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Who knew? Bikers are allowed to run red lights!

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


5 posted on 08/28/2013 3:29:54 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rellimpank

Some intersection have a newer sensor under the road, others will not sense you are there, especially if you are at the signal on a smaller bike, and then you get a car, er cager behind you and they are also stuck there.
Where I live we have the red light law, I have and will even take off making a left turn if it looks like its skipping my lane because again as a biker I am invisible to the world.
Lately I have been trying out a supermagnet clamped to the bottom of the bike, seems to work, they actually sell a device that creates a field but it also can screw with your sensitive electronics on your bike.


6 posted on 08/28/2013 3:44:48 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors. Asymmetrical Warfare.)
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To: martin_fierro

Hooligan ping.


7 posted on 08/28/2013 3:50:21 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: rellimpank; martin_fierro

My defence for going through a red that doesn’t change is to cite the section of the Highway Traffic Act that deals with malfunctioning traffic lights; a malfunctioning signal is to be treated as an all-way stop sign.


8 posted on 08/28/2013 3:53:00 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Spartan302

The latest technology in traffic signal systems includes video detection equipment on the signal mast arm instead of loop detectors in the pavement. That should help alleviate some of the issues cited here.


9 posted on 08/28/2013 4:37:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: rellimpank

I’ve had to do this. I was sitting at a light one time and a cop told me to run it. This was in California.

I would also occasionally park the bike and run over to push the pedestrian crossing button.


10 posted on 08/28/2013 4:51:26 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: jsanders2001

Needed in PA. We got a ticket on Easter Sunday. Came up to a red light at a T-intersection. Going to make a right hand turn. Turns on Right ARE LEGAL in PA unless posted otherwise. This was posted. Again Sunday morning Easter. No traffic on the road before us and nothing coming up in back of us. I moved back and forth as much as possible trying to trip the light to no avail. After about 3 MINUTES with NO TRAFFIC visible anywhere, I pulled out. Just as I did a police car came down the road I was turning on to and he saw that the light was green and that I came out from the side street. I was already coming out before he came into view so I never saw him. Of course he hit the lights and siren and flew down the road after us even though I was only going the 25 miles per hour listed on the road. Tried to explain the situation and his response was well don’t use that road.. My wife immediately stepped between us and told me to keep my mouth shut. Thanks to her all I got was the traffic ticket.


11 posted on 08/28/2013 4:58:11 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: rellimpank

Why not? Noise laws don’t seem to apply to them, why should other laws?


12 posted on 08/28/2013 5:04:09 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: rellimpank

If I was dictator, all red lights would be flashing red lights. But I would also require that you can do more than just fog a mirror in order to get a drivers license.


13 posted on 08/28/2013 5:04:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: beef

A law based on common sense. Unbelievable.


Another one I noticed in Seattle a few years ago and being implemented all over where I now live in Kentucky: The left turn arrow going from green to flashing yellow, rather than green to red, when the oncoming traffic gets a green.


14 posted on 08/28/2013 5:06:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Your wife did the right thing. Never argue with a man who can a bill (or bills ) that you have to pay depending on what day he’s had, especially when you can get sent to jail for not paying them...: )


15 posted on 08/28/2013 5:06:25 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Your wife did the right thing. Never argue with a man who can write a bill (or bills ) that you have to pay depending on what day he’s had, especially when you can get sent to jail for not paying them...: )


16 posted on 08/28/2013 5:09:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Spartan302

I noticed a few years ago that more and more people run red left turn arrows. In fact, this morning the guy in front of me did it and I followed him right through. There was no oncoming traffic.

In Seattle, there is a white X on the pavement on the corner of the sensor where you should put your bike so the “extra sensitive” part of the sensor picks you up. I’ve used it on a bicycle and it works.

But in Seattle I would sometimes see timid cage drivers stop so far short of the line at lights that they never set off the sensors. I’ve actually had room to pull in front of some of them during the red light, and have done so, just to make a point. ;-)


17 posted on 08/28/2013 5:09:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Squawk 8888

My defence for going through a red that doesn’t change is to cite the section of the Highway Traffic Act that deals with malfunctioning traffic lights; a malfunctioning signal is to be treated as an all-way stop sign.


Samne here. I’ve not had to play the card yet, but there have been plenty of times where, if pulled over, I would have.


18 posted on 08/28/2013 5:10:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rellimpank
What a stupid, Bullsh!t headline.

No one is being allowed to “run” red lights.

This law, like the one passed last year in Virginia, requires that motorcycles STOP at all red lights, just as everyone else is required to do.

All the law does is allow motorcyclists, after waiting a long enough time for it to be clear that their bike did not trip the light sequencing mechanism, and that the light is not going to change to green for them, to cautiously and safely proceed through the light without fear of being ticketed for reckless driving.

19 posted on 08/28/2013 5:14:13 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: logic101.net

Why not? Noise laws don’t seem to apply to them, why should other laws?


Heh. I was riding my bicycle on a severe downhill twisty near Magnuson park in Seattle and being tailgated by a harley. At the bottom of the hill was a stop sign. The harley passed me at the last minute and pulled into the farthest right side of the lane when he stopped at the sign, and sat there thinking he was going to stop me. I blew by him (no traffic anywhere). He took off and rode next to me and started yelling at me about “us bike riders” running stop signs. When he stopped yelling, I excitedly said, “Hey, I have a motorcycle too!”

Energy is a precious commodity for a bicycle rider. On my bike I don’t scrub it off for the sole purpose of obeying arbitrary, but pointless, laws - unless there is a cop around, of course. ;-)


20 posted on 08/28/2013 5:16:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Where it is being used, video detection equipment helps with the problem - it helps a lot, in my experience.

But there are still many localities that use the old magnetic detectors, and these are often not adjusted to sufficient sensitivity to detect a motorcycle.


21 posted on 08/28/2013 5:17:08 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: logic101.net

In what way are motorcycles exempt from any laws?

Please, do tell...


22 posted on 08/28/2013 5:18:27 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: rellimpank

Houston has this law, I think, for late nights when traffic congestion is low. Must stop first.


23 posted on 08/28/2013 5:22:55 AM PDT by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: rellimpank

I could use the same law for my car. It is a compact, gets great gas mileage, and gets me to and from work reliably, etc etc. There are several intersections around town where the sensors are not quite sensitive enough to pick up my car.


24 posted on 08/28/2013 5:25:00 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: cuban leaf

I like those as well. There needs to be more of that, where appropriate.


25 posted on 08/28/2013 5:29:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

I like those as well. There needs to be more of that, where appropriate.


It’s funny though. Where they would often REALLY be helpful, they are intentionally not offered. The ones I know about are old style for a reason though. They are entrances to “back roads” used to avoid the main arterials to avoid the traffic and they don’t want people using them.

It’s just like Lake Washington Blvd in Renton near the Seahawks training building. It has a 25 mph speed limit and lots of arbitrary stop signs. It is all there to discourage people from using it to bypass the nightmare that is I-405.


26 posted on 08/28/2013 5:33:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rellimpank
There should be no penalties for bypassing malfunctioning signals, if you take the proper care.

27 posted on 08/28/2013 5:44:28 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: rellimpank
There should be no penalties for bypassing malfunctioning signals, if you take the proper care.

28 posted on 08/28/2013 5:44:28 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: logic101.net
Why not? Noise laws don’t seem to apply to them, why should other laws?

Harley Davidson: A machine that turns gasoline into noise without side effects like horsepower.

My Yamaha has the OE exhaust. It is so quiet I cannot hear the engine over the wind noise at interstate speed. I frequently hear noise machines half a mile behind me.

29 posted on 08/28/2013 5:59:47 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: logic101.net
Why not? Noise laws don’t seem to apply to them, why should other laws?

Good point. I have often wondered if motorcycles would sell if they were quiet as cars. I really, really doubt it.

30 posted on 08/28/2013 6:27:41 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: rellimpank

In Missouri, we have “dead red” rules. If you sit through a cycle without it changing, you can run it when it is clear.


31 posted on 08/28/2013 6:29:25 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Who knew? Bikers are allowed to run red lights!

My interpretation of "running" a red light is failing to slow down or stop. In this case the biker is required to stop and may proceed if it is safe to do so. Big diff.

32 posted on 08/28/2013 6:39:04 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: jsanders2001

...or with a guy who has a gun.


33 posted on 08/28/2013 6:42:08 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: rellimpank

In Colorado we can treat malfunctioning lights as stop signs. I lived a few years back in a suburb and the light never detected my motorcycle. After a single cycle of skipping my lane I waited for traffic to clear then left.


34 posted on 08/28/2013 8:15:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: OldPossum

I can’t speak for everyone, but I have several motorcycles which are as quiet as cars, and I have some motorcycles that are not as quiet as cars.

I like them all...

...because they are motorcycles, NOT because they do or do not make noise.


35 posted on 08/28/2013 8:35:39 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
Harley Davidson: A machine that turns gasoline into noise without side effects like horsepower.

Not all Harleys are loud. Mine isn't, because I want to be able to hear my tunes when I ride. Some believe that loud pipes are useful for alerting motorists to your presense. I'm 50/50 on that. I've seen it actually happen. You could actually see the cager startle when he heard the bike.

Personally, I prefer a quieter ride.

36 posted on 08/28/2013 10:21:22 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: zeugma

Bless you.


37 posted on 08/28/2013 10:36:49 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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38 posted on 08/28/2013 11:46:54 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: rellimpank

I always ran red lights at night in:

Bogota
Barranquilla
Santa marta
Cali
Medellin
Tunja
Rio del Janeiro
Sao Paulo
Guat city
Kingston
Lima
Belo horizonte
Recife
Salvador
Asuncion
Tegulcigalpa
Lagos
Freetown SL
ANYWHERE SOUTH AFRICA
Port au Prince really has none you just drive away from sound of technicals to get up the hill

Old now....cannons are spiked dammit though down here we have some war zones


39 posted on 08/28/2013 11:57:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: rellimpank
been this way for years in Tennessee. The sensors don't pick you up, so after one cycle, if the intersection is clear, one yields in all directions, then proceeds.
40 posted on 08/28/2013 12:55:42 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: WayneS

I do not doubt your statement about your motorcycles. However, how does one get around the everyday evidence that yours is a minority viewpoint?


41 posted on 08/28/2013 2:55:25 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: martin_fierro

Oh, meow.


42 posted on 08/28/2013 6:07:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Disambiguator
> I would also occasionally park the bike and run over to push the pedestrian crossing button.

Yeah, I've done that too. Pain in the butt, but it beats waiting for a car, or risking being seen by an ignorant cop and the resulting 15-minute wait while they figure out common sense.

43 posted on 08/28/2013 6:28:26 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: zeugma

Same with my Harley. It came with some aftermarket pipes (Vance and Hines) that were too loud for me, so I put on some 2-1 SuperTrapp. I can adjust the baffles to suit my noise level, still has a nice sound, just not ear splitting.


44 posted on 08/28/2013 7:09:26 PM PDT by Betis70
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To: Betis70

As one who used to ride a Harley, and then falling on hard times sold his bike off, but hopes he might come on better times and get another bike... I’ve wondered if anyone makes, or if there are even fabrication plans available for, a toggleable wastegate for bike exhaust, so your machine can roar and thunder when you want it to, and it can be quiet when you want it to, all at the flip of a lever accessible while riding. (Your neighbors might appreciate it if you had your bike in quiet mode when returning home in the wee hours.) Extra points for concomitant adjustment of the air intake and fuel injection/carburetion system so that the machine runs optimally in both configurations.


45 posted on 08/28/2013 7:16:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
Bless you.

Thanks! I do what I can.

One thing I'd like to point out, is that I've met some of the most wonderful people since I've started riding. (I ride just about every day - except if there is ice on the road). I haven't been able to make many Patriot Guard rides since my wife was diagnosed with cancer a couple of years ago, but the folks I've met doing that are some of the most amazingly patriotic folk you'll ever meet. Most are veterans, which explains a lot of that, but I can't tell you how deeply touched I've been being a small part of their organization.

Another thing that is fairly amazing IMO is that you almost can't pull off the side of the road to take a phone call for a couple of minutes without having another biker (or cager who rides) stopping to make sure everything is OK.

46 posted on 08/28/2013 7:43:08 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: WayneS

i have ten motorcycles, of them three older Goldwings, an 81,84,85 all Interstates, two Yamaha Ventures an 83 and an 89 Royale my favorite bike with its sweet quiet V4. Two Honda Cx bikes a 500 and a 650 and it has used Dyna pipes on it, really quiet, like riding a sewing machine.
My new Star XVS1300 with its drilled out stock exhaust is still quiet.

Loud pipes do nothing but make noise, too many vehicles are being built with better sound protection, and some even have sound canceling systems in the audio package like the Bose systems, sends out a counter frequency.
I would actually prefer a near quiet bike, its already common knowledge bikers are invisible, cagers stare right at you and run right into you, turn in front of you or ride your tail like you are nothing in front of them.
Frankly I can actually live with being in stealth mode, bikes have no Onstar that can be hacked by the innnessae nor can they be easily tracked.


47 posted on 08/29/2013 1:16:05 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors. Asymmetrical Warfare.)
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To: OldPossum

What evidence do you have that mine is the minority viewpoint?


48 posted on 08/29/2013 4:11:10 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: Spartan302
The loudest bike I ride regularly is a 2000 Harley Softail. It's stock exhaust was long gone when I bought the bike used a few years ago, but the replacement is a genuine HD product which does have baffles in it, so it is by no means obnoxiously loud. In fact it's not much louder than my '92 BMW R100RS with its StaInTune pipes or the Suzuki DR650 with its Supertrapp muffler. The quietest thing I own is probably my '78 BMW R100/R sidecar rig. It still has original equipment BMW mufflers. I also have a '76 Triumph 750 Bonneville which does not get ridden much, but which is, admittedly, quite obnoxious. I've found that good, quiet mufflers are somewhat difficult to obtain for old Brit bikes, plus... ...well, it's an old Brit bike, after all.

Personally, loud pipes do not bother me (on bikes or cars) as long as the engine is well-tuned. However, I recognize that noise bothers others, so I try to keep my own bikes (and cars) out of the 'super-loud' realm. I do like to at least be able to hear my own engine though, no matter what I'm riding/driving. I love the different 'songs' sung by the various cylinder quantities and configurations of internal combustion engines.

As far as loud only being loud, in my competitive roadracing days (mostly Japanese 4-cylinder sport-bikes) I learned that 'louder' pipes (i.e. those which are less restrictive & provide higher flow) CAN do more than simply make noise. As long as one was willing to tune the bike to the exhaust by rejetting carbs at a minimum, and performing head work to increase intake flow when necessary, significant power gains were to be had at relatively low cost. Sadly, a lot of people who switch out their pipes do not take the time to do the necessary tuning, so their bikes are not only obnoxiously loud, they run and sound like crap.

By the way, many of the tracks I raced at had noise limits, and they enforced them (usually 100 decibels at track side on the front straight).

PS - My first street bike was a 1981 CX500. That was a great bike, and I loved the Moto Guzzi-style V-twin with a cylinder sticking out each side.

49 posted on 08/29/2013 4:42:28 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: zeugma
I have been riding since 1967 on dirt bikes, 1971 on the road. You are correct, bikers are good people. Unmuffled bikes are an irritant to the public. They make all bikers look bad.

us sportbikers have some noisy friends, but in my opinion an unmuffled R-1 is only annoying at full honk. Unmuffled Harleys are obnoxious even at idle. Your opinion may be different.

Mine (1994 FZR-1000 Yamaha) is getting prepped for the fall season this weekend. I don' ride on holiday weekends. Even polishing a bike is fun!

50 posted on 08/29/2013 5:13:14 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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