The Presidential eligibility of Ted Cruz

8/29/13 | Lakeshark

[Lakeshark]

The Presidential Eligibility of Ted Cruz

Got your attention yet? I have a modest proposal for ALL FReepers concerning this issue, but let me explain why there is a proposal at all.

The last couple of weeks our venerable and sainted media (peace be unto them) has decided to, after all these years of silence, bring up the issue of Presidential eligibility. The strange appearance of article after article would make you think they were about to expose the birth certificate of messiah Bambi from a Kenyan hospital and show proof of a renouncement of his citizenship while in Indonesia .

Alas, no it’s not about the eligibility of our current fearless reader, instead it’s about the eligibility of Senator Ted Cruz. For those of us hiding under rocks, Ted Cruz just happens to be one of the finest conservatives to hold office. He’s smart, engaging, persuasive, handles MSM traitors journolists like pathetic kindergartners begging for more candy, presents conservatism naturally as a compelling counter to totalitarian leftismliberalism, plus he really wants to move the country to the right normal place of excellence it once was.

Right now, Ted Cruz is trying to rally the GOP to try to defund Bambicare. He is lobbying for it in the Senate, the House, and more important is rallying the GOP voters to sign a petition urging all GOP members of Congress to join the effort to defund this monstrosity. He is in the breach, fighting the good fight, he is the spearhead of this effort. With this and other efforts he appears to have risen to the top of the leadership of conservatives in America. He has the ear and confidence of most conservatives at this point.

So, does anyone hear believe the MSM is interested in simply following the Constitution when they bring up the question of his eligibility? If you do, read no further. If you don’t believe the MSM wants us to be fighting amongst ourselves at this point, read no further.

Based on what I’ve said above: Here is my proposal:

As conservatives, as FReepers, let’s no longer do what the MSM/Soros/democrat complex wants us to do on this issue, namely fight over the eligibility of Ted Cruz and divide the conservative movement at this crucial time. For those of you who believe he is not eligible, understand these two facts:
1. Senator Cruz has not declared for a presidential run at this point, so there is NO issue. Kindly stop making it an issue, particularly right now. Stop. Cease. Desist. It is not important, he’s not running yet. Kindly don't post articles from the MSM or comment on said articles if they are only about the eligibility of Ted Cruz.
2.You are doing the bidding of the MSM/Soros/democrat complex when you do so. They’ve made it clear they want to divide us on this issue, don’t take the bait. Also, see 1. above. Kindly realize that when the Wa ComPost runs 12 articles in 2 days about this issue, it’s not to help conservatives unite.

For those of us who think he is eligible. Remember number 1. above: He is not yet running, there are more important things to do right now. If you see someone on the opposing side, I suggest you link them to this proposal and ask them if they want to continue to divide conservatives during this crucial time, ask them if they really want to carry the water of the media/Soros/democrat complex.

So here again to all: Let’s call a truce on this issue. Not to surrender your beliefs, no one has to do that yet, he is not running. Rather, let’s unite behind the conservative principles that Cruz is pointing us all to, particularly let’s unite to ask the GOP to defund Bambicare. It’s important to do so rather than to quibble over what is at this time, a nonexistent issue ginned up by our domestic opposition.

Thank you for your support.

[Lakeshark]

Have at it, I think this would be a good day to call a cease fire.

[LibLieSlayer]

If Cruz runs... I will back him... and Jim Robinson is on record saying the same. We ALL need to embrace Conservative Tenants and to praise those that live by them in DC. Cruz is one honest man that does!

[JRandomFreeper]

A call for sanity. How quaint.

Never happen.

/johnny

[bigbob]

Amen. Sick of this issue being posted many times per week.

[babble-on]

tenets

[Lakeshark]

FYI ping.

[Qwackertoo]

IF he runs, he has my vote and my support and a nice donation to his campaign.

[Baynative]

Factoid: Section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act extends citizenship to anyone born to an American citizen — such as Cruz’s mother at the time of his own birth.

[Norm Lenhart]

“Not to surrender your beliefs, no one has to do that yet, “

I liked that part. You know, “Yet.”

[Sherman Logan]

Sounds reasonable to me.

[JRandomFreeper]

I caught that, too. Gonna suck for them when I don't surrender my beliefs, me being a purist, and all.

/johnny

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Ditto.

[Norm Lenhart]

The best part is this opinion piece reads like a GOP memo. I see many familiar arguments.

I love Cruz, But he’s gotta get this straight at the Supreme level. If not, it’s going to get ugly.

[nathanbedford]

I agree with your admiration of Ted Cruz, in fact I have long poasted that he looks now to be our best potential candidate for 2016.

I also agree that the time is not now ripe to argue among ourselves concerning his eligibility.

However I vehemently disagree with your recommendations to self censor our views and to self censor what we choose to post. So long as we stay within the general guidelines outlined by Jim Robinson, we should expand our horizons as widely as possible. If we are to know what the enemy is up to and marshal our arguments on behalf of conservatism, we simply have to expose ourselves to these articles and test our opinions in the crucible of FreeRepublic.

I believe the tendency to ban and to jot is regrettably far overdone and in the long run extremely unhealthy for the premier voice of conservatism. We decry the censorship from the left in our universities but want to practice the same thing ourselves. It is bad in both places.

[xzins]

I’ll be glad to follow the proposal.

Unilateral disarmament is not in my nature, though.

[Norm Lenhart]

The thing is, if we don’t settle this now and we follow the advice given, then the issue will be front and center come election time IF he runs.

We were told LAST TIME by many people in many articles like this that the time to settle these things id before or in the primary. Now we are being told, to, as Andrew Kalven so succinctly put it, just shut up.

Speaks for itself.

[Lakeshark]

I also agree that the time is not now ripe to argue among ourselves concerning his eligibility.

I agree fully. I disagree that this is a call to "self censorship", I never used that term, it was more a call for self control, like you say "at this time". We have far better things to concern ourselves with.

[Lakeshark]

Trust me, I’m not willing to unilaterally disarm either.

[P-Marlowe]

Since this issue seems to appear on every single Ted Cruz related thread, I would propose that we should treat the introduction of the NBC issue on a Ted Cruz thread as an attempt to hijack said thread and the poster should be warned and serial violations should result in suspension and zotting.

I can’t believe all the freepers who start every post with “I like Ted Cruz, but...NBC...”

It is not for us mere voters to decide if Ted Cruz will be ruled ineligible, it is for us to ensure that if he runs, he wins and it will be up to the weak kneed Congress to certify the election.

No judicial body will ever take up the case so this is a MAJOR DISTRACTION that is irrelevant to our fight to restore Liberty in this once free country. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Yet so many seem so bent on using three obscure and archaic words to ensure the destruction of this Union.

I’m sick and tired of presenting the evidence of Ted Cruz’s eligibility to people who are either incapable of weighing evidence or who have a Destroy Ted Cruz agenda.

Ted Cruz is eligible. Let’s now move forward in the battle against tyranny. If Ted leads that battle I will be following his lead. I pray he does run. I pray he does win. But if he doesn’t run, I pray that someone with the political courage of Ted Cruz does run and win.

We have less than 3 years to prepare for the war to save this nation from tyranny. Let us not spend those years shooting at our Generals.

[JRandomFreeper]

If you will just surrender, there won't be all these arguments.

/johnny

[kevkrom]

Yeah, like I'm gonna stand behind that tainted Canuck. </sarc>

[Iron Munro]

Remember all the similar articles in the run-up to the 2008 election about Obama’s constitutional eligibility to become president?

Me neither.

[WXRGina]

Factoid: Section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act extends citizenship to anyone born to an American citizen — such as Cruz’s mother at the time of his own birth.

Fact: the Framers made a distinction between "citizen" for senators and representatives and "natural born citizen" for president. There is a difference.

It's really too bad that the brightest shining conservative star we have is not a natural born American citizen, but like Lakeshark said, he has not said anything about running for President at this time.

[Gaffer]

Nope....that’s not even gonna happen. If he by some chance gets the nomination and those retards pulled that crap in light of Obama’s mysterious immaculation, there would be an all out war, and I would gladly be on the front lines - armed, and ready to die.

[kevkrom]

Fact: the Framers made a distinction between "citizen" for senators and representatives and "natural born citizen" for president. There is a difference.

Fact: that difference is still maintained even if you accept the actual legal definition of "natural born citizen" as "citizen at birth".

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[Lakeshark]

P Marlowe, you know I agree with your sentiments about his eligibility.

This is a call to simply drop the discussion so we don't fight amongst ourselves at this point. It's not important because he has not declared, it is important to unite over the opposition to Bambicare. The MSM wants us to fight, to be divided, let's not take their bait.

Diogenes Lamp, I'm asking you and those who are deeply involved with the eligibility question to cease for now, to stop and unite with other conservatives over the issues at hand, namely the defunding of Bambicare. Kindly ping the list of your FRiends and think about this proposal.

[Norm Lenhart]

Then when is a good time? Once the wheels are already in motion and someone writes a proposal saying that the time to debate this was before since we knew it was possible he would run?

When exactly Lake?

[P-Marlowe]

If there is no threat of punishment there will be no compliance.

Witness our immigration laws.

I have no confidence that certain posters can exercise self control on this issue unless there is a penalty for violations.

The Palin Derangement Syndrome sufferers never voluntarily ceased in spamming every Sarah Palin related thread. I do not expect the NBC derangement crowd from voluntarily surrerndering on this issue.

I could be wrong. But knowing human nature as I do, I don’t think I am.

[GBA]

I pray that Ted Cruz is made Senate Majority Leader!

If you like what he's doing now, think how as majority leader he could ride Constitutional shotgun on all legislation that goes to the prez to be signed.

When was the last time any generation of Americans could say that about the Senate leadership or the crap they subject us to?

Moreover, how long could he be in the majority/minority leadership position and over how many crappy presidents and even crappier congresses?

Yep. An answered prayer Majority leader Cruz would be, and for a nice long time. Maybe long enough for the changes he'd likely encourage to take and hold.

Just my humble opinion.

[Lakeshark]

A fine opinion sir.

[onyx]

And the same goes for the corrupt lamestream!
FR and Senator Cruz ROCK!
Support Both!

[Arthur McGowan]

“Factoid” does not mean “a little fact.” It means something that looks like a fact, but isn’t. Just as an “android” looks like a man, but isn’t.

No one claims that Cruz was not born a citizen. The rigorists claim that the framers and ratifiers of the Constitution meant by “natural born Citizen” only a person born on U.S. soil of two citizen parents.

[OneWingedShark]

The best part is this opinion piece reads like a GOP memo. I see many familiar arguments.
I love Cruz, But he’s gotta get this straight at the Supreme level. If not, it’s going to get ugly.

Well, I'm unsure that such is a good idea ("get[ting] this straight at the Supreme level") — we've seen just how far the USSC is willing to go to rationalize federal overreach/unlawful-dictates, which is not a new problem: Wickard, Raich, Kelo, ACA, and Schenck pop immediately to mind.

I am convinced that the Obama/McCain race was put forward to weaken the Constitution's mandate for natural born citizenry, and am suspicious that the Romney/McCain was more of the same.* — I'm not saying that Cruz is ineligible, as I believe that NBC is about the parents [both of them] rather than the location, which the 14th amendment conflates with its clause about birth. It is from the route of the 14th Amendment that I see how the courts could do (and do) much damage to the Constitution: just look at the magic of incorporation and how something that specifically constrains the congress is held binding on the States via the magic of incorporation! (Rather than simply applying the text as-is.)

That's why I am leery of the whole thing.

* Also, do you want to bet that after Obama's term was over and the new guy installed, that he would have come out as being born in Kenya and the new-guy [Romney] would issue a Pardon?

[Norm Lenhart]

Or you would have to admit that you screwed up.

“Not to surrender your beliefs, no one has to do that yet, “

Go ahead and demand more surrender. Still does not matter. The question remains regardless of what you call me or how many pix of Yosemite Sam on a dragon you post.

And it is a legitimate question.

[A'elian' nation]

I would vote for Ted Cruz’s father for president.

I know of immigrants with more “American blood” than pampered, self-indulgent, natural born societal leeches.

There is a great article about Rafael Cruz in NR.
Ted Cruz and his dad are going to be phenomenal on the campaign chicken circuit.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/356934/rise-rafael-cruz-robert-costa

[rodguy911]

My take is neither zero nor Cruz are eligible to run for the Presidency since both male parents were not born in the US. However, this is a can of worms for the left o to bring up in any way shape or manner.

If they want to challenge Cruz's eligibility than everything that zero's administration did--including obamacare-- becomes null and void. They can mount a court challenge to cruz but the backfire will be heard around the world. That ain't gonna happen and since its not I stand behind Cruz's run for the Presidency firmly.

I still say legal or not zero has set a precedent for one parent only to be the new eligibility for the Presidency since our gutless Pubbies failed to impeach his sorry ass.

The possibility of zero having another father who may have been US born is irrelevant since he has declared obama Sr. as his father.

[Norm Lenhart]

I am leery of the outcome. But the alternative is endless argument as the Dems and GOP push it further each election in the future. It has to have an official settlement one way or the other. If so, we can move on.

[Lakeshark]

I have no confidence that certain posters can exercise self control on this issue unless there is a penalty for violations.

Let's see what some of those who are consumed by the eligibility issue say first. I understand where you are coming from. If the majority of them don't agree to some self control over this issue at this time, then this post of mine will come to nothing.

Let's see what their reaction is. If you and xzins could ping those who you have been in discussion with lately, it would be appreciated.

[iontheball]

As Freepers we have to accept the fact that we can not conclusively decide this issue; it is clearly Constitutional derived, making it tge singular responsibility of the U.S. Supreme Court. Now, having said that, my memory is not so faint as to recall all the ‘no standing’ dismissals with Obummer. Before he was nominated by the Democratic Convention, the courts ran away from the issue by saying the issue was not ripe because Obummer was not yet a presidential candidate. Then after he was nominated, the courts dismissed again saying he was not yet elected president so the issue was still moot. Then after he was elected, the courts said they didn't need to decide the issue because he had been publicly fully vetted and it was too late to get involved. The sum of this is that government officials no longer abide by laws any longer, it is whatever they can get away with that matters. As a side note, Obummer is now saying he alone is going to ‘edict away’ our Second Amendment rights. While we can not decide the eligibility issue, the Courts, whose job it is to decide, continue to flatly refuse to do their job. This is the treachery of having to live every day under tyranny.

[OneWingedShark]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Given how judges get things exactly wrong and call it "constitutional" I'm going to say BS!.
The Constitution is exactly a suicide pact, as we saw in the Civil War it's a Federation, where the member-states cannot leave of their own free will, and (as we've seen many, many times) the Federal Government reigns supreme over the People and the States.

[/venting]
Yeah, that's not supposed to be how the Constitution works, but ask yourself this: if we followed dtrictly the Constitution, how different would the US be

[GBA]

obama, Harry Reid and John's Boner, along with the rest of the progressives in Congress, would have a great deal to fear from Majority Leader Cruz.

I like the sound of that and what's not to love?

Besides, even if Cruz was elected POTUS, he could be countered and his efforts undone, just like with Reagan.

How long did it take to completely undo all but the memory of Reagan's time in office?

[SoConPubbie]

Ted Cruz Ping!

[Timber Rattler]

Amen!!!

[Jack Hydrazine]

He has dual citizenship so there shouldn’t be problems, correct?

[SoConPubbie]

It's really too bad that the brightest shining conservative star we have is not a natural born American citizen, but like Lakeshark said, he has not said anything about running for President at this time.

Once again, please show us where in the Constitution, your opinion of what it means to be "Natural born" is defined.

Lacking that, please show us the relevant US Law(s) passed by Congress and signed by a US President that prove your OPINION correct.

Lacking that, please show us the relevant Supreme Court Ruling(s) that prove your OPINION correct.

[Tau Food]

Ted Cruz - 2016

[SoConPubbie]

Besides, even if Cruz was elected POTUS, he could be countered and his efforts undone, just like with Reagan.

How long did it take to completely undo all but the memory of Reagan's time in office?

We're doomed I tell ya, DOOMED!

We might as well not even try and simply accept what ever Progressive Liberal the GOP-E throws up, because it ain't even worth trying, right?

[SoConPubbie]

He has dual citizenship so there shouldn’t be problems, correct?

The fear of Dual citizenship was based on divided loyalties.

Ted was not even aware of his Dual Citizen ship until recently, at which time he stated he would renounce his Canadian citizenship which process I believe he has already started.

Knowing what you know about Senator Cruz, do you even see a hint of divided loyalties?