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AP Exclusive: Obama offers new gun control steps
AP ^ | 08.29.13 0906 EDT

Posted on 08/29/2013 6:42:05 AM PDT by Perdogg

Striving to take action where Congress would not, the Obama administration announced new steps Thursday on gun control, curbing the import of military surplus weapons and proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations.

Four months after a gun control drive collapsed spectacularly in the Senate, President Barack Obama added two more executive actions to a list of 23 steps the White House determined Obama could take on his own to reduce gun violence. With the political world focused on Mideast tensions and looming fiscal battles, the move signaled Obama's intent to show he hasn't lost sight of a cause he took up after 20 first graders and six adults were gunned down last year in an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; executiveorders; guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 08/29/2013 6:42:05 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Nachum

Ping.


2 posted on 08/29/2013 6:43:49 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Perdogg
"proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations"

What 'others'? There is only felons and NOT-felons (everyone else)

3 posted on 08/29/2013 6:43:58 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Perdogg

This should put an end to those M1 Garand drive by shootings... sigh...


4 posted on 08/29/2013 6:44:23 AM PDT by xenob
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To: Perdogg
Better get your Mosin Nagant and cheap ammo before they become too expensive. Prices are about to skyrocket.

Barack Hussein Obama: The greatest firearms salesman the world has ever known.

5 posted on 08/29/2013 6:45:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I think this would only affect the re-importation of US-made weapons that were given by the US to allies. Basically means M1 Garands and M1 Carbines. Doesn’t matter though. If Obama thinks he can do this by executive order, I’m sure gun registration or confiscation by executive fiat isn’t far behind.


6 posted on 08/29/2013 6:48:25 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Perdogg

of course this makes sense ... criminal needs protections from those who would defend themselves. obama is their boy wonder!


7 posted on 08/29/2013 6:49:56 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Perdogg

I’ve had a Gun Trust form 4 in to the ATF for near 7 months now. They cashed my $200 lickety split. Heard no word on the Tax Stamp.

I’m guessing he’s queered all Gun Trust applications now.


8 posted on 08/29/2013 6:50:10 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Sounds like a good time to visit court. A right delayed is a right denied, and allowing for “administrative processing”, over half a year to process a few sheets of paper is a delay of ill intent.


9 posted on 08/29/2013 6:52:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Better make that firearms and health insurance salesman the world has ever known.


10 posted on 08/29/2013 6:52:58 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: Perdogg
Reposting from another thread: I'd like to see gun owners begin using their power of the purse by boycotting products from gun grabbing states (CA, MA, NY, NJ, MD, CO, IL, ... did I miss one?)

For example, when my insurance policies expire this fall, I intend to cancel my policies with METLIFE (NY) and LIBERY MUTUAL (MA). It's time to spend our resourses in states that respect our Rights.

I kinda like Liberty Mutual, but this crap is getting out of hand ...

11 posted on 08/29/2013 6:53:21 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Perdogg
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12 posted on 08/29/2013 6:54:00 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: Perdogg
list of 23 steps the White House determined Obama could take on his own to reduce gun violence

list of 23 steps the White House determined Obama could take on his own to reduce gun violence American's constitutional rights

There fixed it.

13 posted on 08/29/2013 6:56:57 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: xenob
This should put an end to those M1 Garand drive by shootings... sigh...

M1 Garand - the original "PING"

14 posted on 08/29/2013 6:58:47 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: ctdonath2

Court? What court? Where? Which one? Good thought but our courts very well may not rule in favor of our constitutional rights.


15 posted on 08/29/2013 7:00:07 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: Perdogg

Does the Bill of Rights anywhere guarantee Federal agents the right to bear arms?

I didn’t think so.

So let’s compromise, as Lindsey Graham and John McCain are fond of saying, and allow the Progressives a gun control victory by disarming all Federal agents. This will prevent the murder of innocents caused by para-military, no-knock raids (which clearly violate the Fourth Amendment).

The rest of us will retain our weapons.


16 posted on 08/29/2013 7:03:28 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: murrie

What court?
Since it involves a federal agency and 2nd amendment issues it would be a federal court ... for about $300 that is...


17 posted on 08/29/2013 7:06:38 AM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

If you can afford it get a Russian SKS its’ even legal in Kalifornia.


18 posted on 08/29/2013 7:09:37 AM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: ctdonath2

Normal Form 4s have been taking 6-9 months anyway. I’ll wait a couple more. If I don’t get it by a year, I’ll write that $200 tax stamp off as a credit and go buy a gun with the money I spent, and is on hold for, on the silencer.


19 posted on 08/29/2013 7:11:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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20 posted on 08/29/2013 7:13:35 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: alphadog

BTW, I’ve seen some pretty cool SKS stock and receiver cover mods available for them that make them totally different. The mod covers have scope mounts and fancy sights affixed. The stocks aren’t too bad either...

Trick out an SKS for a couple hundred...but worth it IMO if you have an old one cheap.


21 posted on 08/29/2013 7:13:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: commish

I trained with the M1 in basic training. Will never forget that ping


22 posted on 08/29/2013 7:14:38 AM PDT by Ace the Biker (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: alphadog
If you can afford it get a Russian SKS....

True that... I remember about ten years ago when an SKS was an affordable, in-budget weapon. I mean, they're not top of the line, but they are fun to shoot and simple-Simon durable in takedown and care.
23 posted on 08/29/2013 7:20:40 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Perdogg

“Health Insurance is a right, so we can force you to purchase it, yet the 2nd Ammendment is irrelevent so we can prevent you from executing your right to keep and bear arms!”

Liberal lunacy is insane!


24 posted on 08/29/2013 7:22:30 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

I don’t know what they are now but I can remember them being $99 and packed in cosmoline. Either clean ‘em up and shoot ‘em or they were ready for deep storage. I imagine they’re more now.


25 posted on 08/29/2013 7:22:50 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: alphadog
If you can afford it get a Russian SKS its’ even legal in Kalifornia.

I can't. And besides, it is only legal in MA if it was imported before 1998. Otherwise, it is verboten.

I can't wait to get out of this shiite hole.

26 posted on 08/29/2013 7:23:10 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: Thane_Banquo

He wants to ban the import because they are popular with patriots instead of gangbangers.


27 posted on 08/29/2013 7:26:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: BipolarBob

That’s about what my first one cost. Today I don’t think you can find one for under $250. I’ve heard of people asking as much as $500 or $600 for one. I don’t know if they actually sell at that price.


28 posted on 08/29/2013 7:27:09 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Perdogg
"....proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations.

Because the nation is suffering a crisis of gangbangers lined up at the lawyers office to spend hundreds creating a shell corporation just to buy a gun without a background check...INSTEAD OF JUST STEALING THEM OR BUYING THEM FROM THE SHADY GUY IN THE BLACK VAN!

29 posted on 08/29/2013 7:30:27 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Perdogg; marktwain

I wonder if there is a ‘rental store’ for guns?............


30 posted on 08/29/2013 7:35:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: alphadog

Russians (and Germans) always make good stuff!............

31 posted on 08/29/2013 7:37:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Perdogg

Uncle Scam arms Al Qaeda and tries to disarm the American people.


32 posted on 08/29/2013 7:51:09 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Cabala’s have them for about 170 bucks ... I dunno if that is a good price, but after a review by Nutnfancy I’d buy one.


33 posted on 08/29/2013 7:53:12 AM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: AppyPappy
He wants to ban the import because they are popular with patriots instead of gangbangers.

Pretty much. He wants to disarm any possible opposition to his dictatorial plan.

34 posted on 08/29/2013 7:54:26 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: 11th_VA

That approach is awfully obtuse. The businesses don’t know why you’re not buying their product, and if they do know then it’s lost in the background noise of “customers annoyed for weird reasons”. You’re not going to get enough like-minded people in the boycott to make a difference.

Getting on your legislators with “get it right or shut it down” has a much better chance of success.


35 posted on 08/29/2013 8:05:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
"One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities"

Bad news for the CMP. Bad news for us.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

36 posted on 08/29/2013 8:06:28 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: alphadog

Nutnfancy. That dude is so cool


37 posted on 08/29/2013 8:08:33 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: murrie

They might not...but they also might. Won’t make a difference if you don’t try.

I’m not familiar enough with court proceedings to pull it off, but do believe that if very large numbers of owners WOULD file suit, there would be enough disparity in the verdicts that the Supreme Court would have to take the issue(s). Might not like that result either, but either you’ll win or have drawn a very clear line on the subject.


38 posted on 08/29/2013 8:08:48 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

“He wants to disarm any possible opposition to his dictatorial plan.”

The Brown Clown is WAY too late !


39 posted on 08/29/2013 8:09:29 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Gaffer

They shouldn’t take anywhere near that long. The delay isn’t administrative, it’s political.


40 posted on 08/29/2013 8:09:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: murrie

His wife is a fox ...


41 posted on 08/29/2013 8:11:44 AM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: Joe Brower

The Obamabastard is trying to effect through executive decree the essence of the UN Arms treaty.

This bastard needs to be impeached - NOW!!!


42 posted on 08/29/2013 8:17:05 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: alphadog
Cabala’s have them for about 170 bucks ... I dunno if that is a good price, but after a review by Nutnfancy I’d buy one.

Most local gun dealers will have them...did have them for about $120. I'd love to have one.

But I have to clear that through the Secretary of the Exchequer. Ya know...the wife. She is of the opinion that I have enough already. Mebbe. Mebbe not.

43 posted on 08/29/2013 8:40:39 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: Joe Brower; Red Badger; Thane_Banquo; Mr. K

I plowed through that article. Typical APObama talking points - it reads like Carville or Jarrett wrote it themselves.

I am not reading this the way you guys are. Odinga is not going after M-1 Garands. The article keeps using the 50-year issue; that’s the 1960’s, Vietnam era. And that includes the early M16/M-14 family of weapons, does it not?

I’m with Thane_Banquo on this one; Gun Confiscation by Imperial Edict is in our future.


44 posted on 08/29/2013 8:57:21 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Perdogg

Again he does NOTHING to “reduce gun violence”. He only makes it more expensive for collectors.


45 posted on 08/29/2013 9:01:32 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: Thane_Banquo

One of the alphabet agencies controls the importation paperwork. Basically all Obastard has to do is to tell the head of that agency to deny all importation requests.


46 posted on 08/29/2013 9:04:49 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: Perdogg
close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations.

"Felons and others" - that's what gun owners are to the AP. They don't even consider this formulation to be bias.

47 posted on 08/29/2013 9:06:47 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Gaffer

You have 90 days before it takes effect. I am mailing mine next week...


48 posted on 08/29/2013 9:17:58 AM PDT by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Where are we going from here?)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


49 posted on 08/29/2013 9:18:53 AM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: Old Sarge

you may be right, but it sets a precedent that leads to more and more gun control, which we know they want (100%)


50 posted on 08/29/2013 9:22:50 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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