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Judge apologizes for teen rape remarks, but defends sentence
http://www.lasvegassun.com ^ | Wednesday, Aug. 28, 2013 | 10:30 p.m. | By Matt Volz and Matthew Brown, Associated Press

Posted on 08/29/2013 7:44:33 AM PDT by redreno

BILLINGS, Mont. — A Montana judge on Wednesday stood by his decision to send a former teacher to prison for 30 days for raping a 14-year-old girl who later killed herself, but said he "deserved to be chastised" for his comments about the young victim.

District Judge G. Todd Baugh sentenced former Billings Senior High School teacher Stacey Rambold to 15 years, then suspended all but 31 days and gave him credit for one day already served.

In handing down the sentence Monday, Baugh said the teenage victim was "older than her chronological age" and had as much control of the situation as the teacher who raped her.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: blamethevictim; judgegtoddbaugh; moralabsolutes; pedophile; rape; sex; sourcetitlenoturl; staceyrambold
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1 posted on 08/29/2013 7:44:33 AM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

He deserves to be chastised for that comment, and he deserves 20 years for the sentence he handed down.


2 posted on 08/29/2013 7:50:28 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater; All

I take it this was statutory rape?


3 posted on 08/29/2013 7:51:55 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

According to this scum bag it was just boys being boys.


4 posted on 08/29/2013 7:54:27 AM PDT by DManA
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To: redreno

District Judge G. Todd Baugh

5 posted on 08/29/2013 7:56:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: redreno

There are some who wonder why there are others who don’t respect the law.


6 posted on 08/29/2013 7:58:21 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: redreno

A 14 year old, any 14 year old girl, doesn’t deserve to be treated like this! How she was raised, how she dressed, how she acted does not excuse a 45 year old man. It makes zero difference. Also, how did this scum wad judge know her!? Who is he to judge the girl!?


7 posted on 08/29/2013 8:10:45 AM PDT by albie (re)
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To: Sopater

We have so many freepers cheering this kind of sentencing on all the time.


8 posted on 08/29/2013 8:13:16 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: marktwain
I take it this was statutory rape?

Yes, the teacher was in his 50s and the child was 14. She later committed suicide.
9 posted on 08/29/2013 8:14:11 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: MrEdd
We have so many freepers cheering this kind of sentencing on all the time.

What kind of sentencing, the light 30 days for raping a child?
10 posted on 08/29/2013 8:15:06 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: MrEdd
"We have so many freepers cheering this kind of sentencing on all the time."

Name some names please.
11 posted on 08/29/2013 8:16:20 AM PDT by The Louiswu (One brave man, that's all we need.)
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To: MrEdd

“We have so many freepers cheering this kind of sentencing on all the time.”

Huh? Can you cite even one example?


12 posted on 08/29/2013 8:21:31 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MrEdd

We have so many freepers cheering this kind of sentencing on all the time.
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There was one on another thread that, while not “cheering the sentence”, basically was saying the rape was in large measure the young girl’s fault. Absolutely despicable.


13 posted on 08/29/2013 8:21:36 AM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: The Louiswu

look an ANY of the naughty teacher threads. If the sexes are reversed it is still the same thing.

Also, look at this thread and see posters who equate age of consent laws with sharia law.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050661/posts

They are quite vocal about what they want.


14 posted on 08/29/2013 8:30:32 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: redreno

The bottom line is that, when the justice system fails, the public are left with no other option than vigilantism, or to “just lie back and enjoy being raped.”

All it will take is for somebody to obtain an appropriate, difficult to trace, weapon, and his 30-day slap on the wrist will become a death sentence. Which, if it directly achieves nothing better than the demise of a child rapist, at least it might also give this judge reflective pause before he once again turns a child rapist or other repulsive criminal loose on the public.


15 posted on 08/29/2013 8:37:49 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: redreno

The Law has failed. It is up to the family and friends now.


16 posted on 08/29/2013 8:40:17 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: MrEdd

Who?


17 posted on 08/29/2013 8:40:40 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

They need to remember the judge, too. He needs to be term limited.


18 posted on 08/29/2013 8:41:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: redreno

So are all the good citizens of Billings going to recall G. Todd? Probably not, because “it doesn’t directly affect them.” G. Todd Baugh is the poster child for what’s wrong with our legal system the country over. Personally, I don’t trust any judge who’s so full of himself/herself that he/she uses all three of his/her names. Just show’s they’re an arrogant a$$hole. That goes double for the ones with the hyphenated last names. They are saying “look at me, I’m better than the rest of you.”


19 posted on 08/29/2013 8:47:33 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: MrEdd

You didn’t answer my question. Please reply with some FR names. Thanks


20 posted on 08/29/2013 8:49:41 AM PDT by The Louiswu (One brave man, that's all we need.)
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To: Sopater

Is it possible the girl consented? Or that she even initiated the act? Does the blame fall entirely on the male?


21 posted on 08/29/2013 8:55:51 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: The Louiswu; drunknsage

drunknsage on this thread said some controversial things about this girl.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3059843/posts

(Freeper etiquette requires pinging of drunknsage)


22 posted on 08/29/2013 9:20:05 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: redreno

He deserves to be off the bench. Anyone out there ready to lead the charge?


23 posted on 08/29/2013 9:32:38 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: marktwain

Yes, of a fourteen year old student who committed suicide at 16.

This is an elected judge, so the voters can remove him from the bench by recall or next year by voting for the other guy.

He was unopposed last time, I expect he will have opposition next year.


24 posted on 08/29/2013 9:42:53 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: IronJack
Is it possible the girl consented? Or that she even initiated the act? Does the blame fall entirely on the male? YES! Can you be so dumb as to not realize that an adult male as a duty as an adult to protect a child from exploitation by himself as well as others. When a needy, naive, emotionally messed up fourteen year old throws herself on you, you are supposed to stop her and get her help, not take advantage of her and use her for their own gratification. That is a totally douche bag question.
25 posted on 08/29/2013 9:48:55 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: redreno
Sounds like he is under some pressure of maybe losing the birds nest on the ground job he has been holding down!!!
26 posted on 08/29/2013 10:20:09 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: IronJack

Apparently it wasn’t “rape” rape.

sigh...


27 posted on 08/29/2013 10:42:09 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: autumnraine

That’s one...got any more? You did use the plural, “Freepers”


28 posted on 08/29/2013 10:42:10 AM PDT by The Louiswu (One brave man, that's all we need.)
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To: Valpal1

You probably could have just answered the question without the snark. I think you’re assigning me motives I don’t have.


29 posted on 08/29/2013 10:50:52 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: The Louiswu

No, as a matter of fact *I* didn’t. I am not the original Freeper you were talking to. I just happened to read the comments and gave an example I had seen. Go ask the person you were originally talking to for the plural ones.


30 posted on 08/29/2013 11:11:30 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: IronJack
Is it possible the girl consented?

No, she was 14

Or that she even initiated the act?

Doesn't matter, she was 14 and her teacher was over 50!

Does the blame fall entirely on the male?

Yes, definitely.
31 posted on 08/29/2013 11:21:10 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: IronJack

What type of adult asks that question?

The type that want to blame the victim or the type that is unaware of their adult responsibilities toward children or the type that refuses to accept adult responsibility while exercising adult prerogatives.

i.e. douche bag

Seriously, what was your motive for asking the question?


32 posted on 08/29/2013 11:21:31 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: jonno

The distinction between forcible rape and statutory rape is a legal one, not one I invented.


33 posted on 08/29/2013 11:49:43 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

the rapist and judge do not belong in civilized society


34 posted on 08/29/2013 11:51:35 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Sopater

To play devil’s advocate ...
Does the fact that she was 14 mean she couldn’t consent? Does it mean she couldn’t initiate the act?

Would it have been more acceptable if she was 16 and her teacher was 30? How about if she was 17 and he was 25? How about if she was 17 and 364 days and he was 18 and 1 day? Where do you draw the age line? Or is age even the right criterion by which to judge sexual consent?


35 posted on 08/29/2013 12:18:27 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
Does the fact that she was 14 mean she couldn’t consent?

Yes, as a minor of age 14 she cannot legally consent.

Does it mean she couldn’t initiate the act?

It means it doesn't matter if she initiates the act or not, the 50-yr-old teacher is supposed to be the grown-up here.

Where do you draw the age line? Or is age even the right criterion by which to judge sexual consent?

Society draws the line where it likes, passes a law, and that's the line you don't cross. If you don't like the law, you work to change it or move somewhere that better suits you.
36 posted on 08/29/2013 12:25:52 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: IronJack
Where do you draw the age line?

Also, wherever the line is "legally" drawn is not the definition between "right and wrong", only between "legal and illegal". Sometimes, that which is "legal" is "wrong", and that which is "illegal" is still "right". If you're going to do what's either wrong, illegal, or both, you'd better be prepared to suffer the consequences. It just sucks that this judge decided that there were no serious "legal" consequences for what this guy did, but it doesn't mean there won't be other consequences.
37 posted on 08/29/2013 12:28:55 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

So if “society” (whoever HE is) says the age of consent is 14? 13? Nonexistent? Then suddenly this rapist isn’t a criminal anymore?

I didn’t ask if the girl at age 14 could LEGALLY consent. I asked if she could consent.


38 posted on 08/29/2013 12:40:18 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Sopater

You’ve made part of my point. The age line is a LEGAL boundary (and an arbitrary one at that). It is not a MORAL boundary. It could be argued that this girl at 14 was more emotionally mature than other women at 30. And it could be argued that this man at 50+ is no more legally culpable for the act than his willing and informed partner.

It is arbitrary to assume that a 14-year-old is incapable of deciding whether she wants to have sex or not. And it is equally arbitrary to assume that the 50+-year-old man has a greater responsibility to safeguard her chastity than she herself does.

Again, in the interest of playing devil’s advocate.


39 posted on 08/29/2013 12:48:57 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
Do you work hard at being this dense, or does it come natrually for you?

In America, "society" elects legislators who makes laws. That's how society decides who's a criminal or not.

Since I'm differentiating between whats "legal" and "moral", and you are saying that you didn't ask if she could LEGALLY consent, you must be asking if it is MORALLY acceptable for a 50-yr-old teacher to sleep with his 14-yr-old student?!?!?!

God help us all...
40 posted on 08/29/2013 12:50:54 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: IronJack
It could be argued that this girl at 14 was more emotionally mature than other women at 30.

Except she can't speak for herself because she's dead. This "emotionally mature young lady" killed herself before she became a "legal" adult.

If you're trying to make my blood boil, you're very close to success.
41 posted on 08/29/2013 12:53:06 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

I didn’t mention the word “acceptable” at all. I asked a simple question: is it possible the girl consented to the act. It requires a yes or no answer.

Your frustration in part arises from the fact that you’re trying to defend your stance against some anticipated “attack.” I’m just asking questions; you’re the one drawing the conclusions.

By the way, under what morality is it not “acceptable” for a 50-year-old teacher to sleep with his 14-year-old student? What is the age of consent in the Bible, for example?


42 posted on 08/29/2013 1:23:01 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack; All

That is what we do not know. The consensus seems to be, that even if a 17 year old deliberately seduces a 20 year old in a state where 18 is the age of consent, the 20 year old deserves to live a life as a registered sex offender for the rest of his life./S

My view of the world is not quite so black and white.

I know a number of people who have been propositioned by underage girls. In this case it is abundantly clear that the teacher *knew* the girl was underage, so he does not have that defense.

We certainly do not know that the suicide was dependent on the sexual activity, but I believe that suicide is more common among people who are promiscuous.

Anyone seen statistics on that?


43 posted on 08/29/2013 1:28:14 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: IronJack
It could be argued that this girl at 14 was more emotionally mature than other women at 30.

No, it can't. If a 30 year old woman is less mature than a 14 yr old, then there is something wrong with the 30 year old.

And it is equally arbitrary to assume that the 50+-year-old man has a greater responsibility to safeguard her chastity than she herself does.

Again, in the interest of playing devil’s advocate.

More like douche bag advocate.

44 posted on 08/29/2013 1:30:18 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: IronJack
I asked a simple question: is it possible the girl consented to the act. It requires a yes or no answer.

No.

Your frustration in part arises from the fact that you’re trying to defend your stance against some anticipated “attack.” I’m just asking questions; you’re the one drawing the conclusions.

Please don't project onto me, I'm not anticipating any "attack", I think that the questions are moronic. What "conclusion" have I drawn?

By the way, under what morality is it not “acceptable” for a 50-year-old teacher to sleep with his 14-year-old student?

Under the idea that this teacher has a position of authority over this student. In the Bible, consent for a daughter to marry is given by her parents.
45 posted on 08/29/2013 1:32:56 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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46 posted on 08/29/2013 1:34:11 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: marktwain
We certainly do not know that the suicide was dependent on the sexual activity

I agree with that, but it does seem to me that it is strong evidence that she was severly lacking in the emotional maturity that would put her "beyone her chornological age".
47 posted on 08/29/2013 1:34:49 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater; All

“beyone her chornological age”.

The above phrase can have many contexts. Physical, sexual, psychological, moral.

I think that an adult who is seduced by an underage girl should not receive as dire a sentence as one who forcibly rapes a girl of the same age.

We do not know exactly what happened in this case. There were only two actors. One is dead. The other is under legal threat. Unless other information is available, I am withholding judgement from what the judge did.

If someone puts a steak in front of a hungry man, who is forbidden from eating it by law, they may be guilty, but the person putting the steak there bears some guilt as well.


48 posted on 08/29/2013 1:48:35 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Valpal1

Thanks for the adult response. You do great credit to your ideology.

Aren’t there some cartoons you should be watching?


49 posted on 08/29/2013 1:49:32 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: marktwain
...the person putting the steak there bears some guilt as well.

But that should have no bearing on the punishment leveraged against the person who broke the law.

However, I might be inclinded to agree that a non-violent rape shouldn't carry the same severity as a violent one, but I don't agree that a 14-yr old student can in any way give consent to a 50-yr old teacher.
50 posted on 08/29/2013 1:57:57 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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