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Starbucks Fires Employee For Eating Expired Sandwich
CBS Seattle ^ | 8/28/13

Posted on 08/29/2013 10:30:57 AM PDT by YourAdHere

A downtown Seattle Starbucks employee was fired for taking an expired sandwich out of the trash and eating it, according to The Stranger.

Coulson Loptmann, a 21-year-old part-time barista, said he grabbed a plastic-wrapped sausage sandwich out of the trash can in the midst of a seven-hour shift on Monday. According to Loptmann, the sandwich was one of a few being thrown out because of its impending expiration.

Loptmann’s store manager found about Loptmann’s actions and contacted Starbucks’ human resources department.

The Stranger learned that Loptmann’s manager terminated him on spot because his actions reportedly go against Starbucks’ policies.

Zack Hutson, a company spokesman, said employees are not allowed to consume “marked-out” products because of the health risk of eating potentially spoiled products. However, Hutson added that a violation like this would not warrant a termination unless it was “the culmination of broader, ongoing performance issues.”

Loptmann, who is currently receiving food stamps, claims he had a great relationship with his employees and supervisors. He reportedly was hired in 2012 and has seen his shifts diminish to no more than 30 hours per week.


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1 posted on 08/29/2013 10:30:57 AM PDT by YourAdHere
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To: YourAdHere

Theft is theft, and no employee should be eating (or drinking) any items from the place they work without a receipt for the purchase.

Expired or not, in the trash or not, it wasn’t the employee’s, and it was theft. Could have been handled differently, but I’m sure others will be very happy to know that there’s a job opening now.


2 posted on 08/29/2013 10:34:02 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: YourAdHere
Well which is it?

being thrown out because of its impending expiration.

3 posted on 08/29/2013 10:34:24 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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To: YourAdHere

Starbucks is now definately off my list of places to go in case I ever want another burnt, bitter, undrinkable, overpriced cup of coffee.


4 posted on 08/29/2013 10:36:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: YourAdHere

“health risk” baloney.
These prohibitions are because STBX does not want employees marking items out for their consumption.
To fire him on the spot, is against policy, the manager should be disciplined.


5 posted on 08/29/2013 10:38:41 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: YourAdHere

Worked in a Kroger store way back in the day.
When disposing of expired bread, we had to cut the packaging open before throwing in dumpster.
I always assumed that was to prevent dumpster diving.


6 posted on 08/29/2013 10:38:42 AM PDT by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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To: YourAdHere
Hardee's fired a manager of a store for giving the ends of roast beef being sliced (too small to safely slice) to homeless people instead of tossing them in the dumpster as required.

That was back in 1977.

7 posted on 08/29/2013 10:38:56 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: kingu

Correct. An employee that will steal a minor item will steal (and probably has stolen) other items as well.


8 posted on 08/29/2013 10:39:33 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: kingu

In today’s litigious multi lawed society, the employee could probably sue Starbucks if he got sick from eating the sandwich he pulled out of the trash.


9 posted on 08/29/2013 10:39:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kingu

Exception, active sampling.
Easy enough to get the items as long as a bit gets out to the customers.


10 posted on 08/29/2013 10:40:07 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: YourAdHere

If they want to fire you, they will find a way.


11 posted on 08/29/2013 10:40:09 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: kingu

I disagree. If the sandwich cannot be sold because it’s expired, than it is no longer a retail item and the store can’t make money from it. The trash is fair game. Should be cleared first with the manager, however.


12 posted on 08/29/2013 10:40:24 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Iron Munro

The NEw Starbucks Bumper Sticker

I like my President like my coffee - weak, overhyped, expensive, and full of half and half.


13 posted on 08/29/2013 10:40:38 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kingu
Horse hockey. If it is in the trash, it is fair game to consume unless the company has a specific published or posted policy against it.

Our plant actually encourages employees to take home stuff which has been discarded . . . all that much less we have to pay the trash man to haul it away.

I know food is a different animal because safety may be involved, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Plus our plant uses common sense. If it is the typical discard trash, then no problem. But if it is borderline, like someone throwing out a repairable office chair, then we need to get a permission tag. I think most places operate with similar common sense rules.

14 posted on 08/29/2013 10:40:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: kingu
Theft is theft, and no employee should be eating (or drinking) any items from the place they work without a receipt for the purchase.

"That is correct officer - the Perp was stealing our garbage before the garbage truck could cart it off to the landfill. Additionally, he did so without a proper receipt for purchase of said garbage."


15 posted on 08/29/2013 10:40:56 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: Iron Munro

Over priced? A 20 ounce cup for $2.......that’s a good price. Go to restaurant $3.00 for 6 ounces


16 posted on 08/29/2013 10:41:51 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: YourAdHere

The threaten all their customers-with serving them crappy coffee.


17 posted on 08/29/2013 10:42:00 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: svcw
Something though usually triggers these hyperobservations of an employee. ie, they are being watched to find a reason to terminate them which can be traced back to documents signed by the employee during their new hire and then recurring training.

I've never yet seen an employee at any level which I could not fire for cause given enough observation time.

18 posted on 08/29/2013 10:42:13 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: YourAdHere

“Coulson Loptmann, a 21-year-old part-time barista, said he grabbed a plastic-wrapped sausage sandwich out of the trash can”

I will never forget sitting in a Starbucks one morning in San Fran enjoying a coffee and pastry, then watching some homeless dude fish around in the trashcan outside for his breakfast, which he found and then ate. I haven’t been to San Fran since.


19 posted on 08/29/2013 10:43:11 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: YourAdHere

I don’t care much for starbucks (never had coffee there) but rules are rules

If he had gotten sick, he would have sued

If they give away expired food, eventually people will catch on and just wait to get the free stuff (and not buy anything)


20 posted on 08/29/2013 10:43:24 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: kingu; JDoutrider; Oorang; hummingbird; MWestMom; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; sweetiepiezer; ...
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A downtown Seattle Starbucks employee was fired for taking an expired sandwich out of the trash and eating it .

21 posted on 08/29/2013 10:43:52 AM PDT by LucyT (In politics, "Lack of Money" speaks louder than words. Stop donating to RINOs.)
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To: YourAdHere

I think a reprimand would have been sufficient. Seems like someone has power/authority issues.


22 posted on 08/29/2013 10:44:06 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: YourAdHere

Let ‘im eat foo stams. Stealing from trash? That’s a new idea, only an anonymous Internet poster could invent!


23 posted on 08/29/2013 10:44:07 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: YourAdHere

Give him a free phone, that’ll make it all better...

Remember what the woman said: “Bawma giveya free foams!”


24 posted on 08/29/2013 10:44:47 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: YourAdHere

25 posted on 08/29/2013 10:44:48 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: YourAdHere

Jerry Seinfeld: So let me get this straight. You find yourself in the kitchen. You see an éclair in the receptacle... and you think to yourself: “What the hell, I’ll just eat some trash.”

George Louis Costanza: No, no, no. It was not trash.

Jerry Seinfeld: Was it in the trash?

George Louis Costanza: Yes.

Jerry Seinfeld: Then it was trash.

George Louis Costanza: It wasn’t down in. It was sort of on top.

Jerry Seinfeld: But it was in the cylinder.

George Louis Costanza: Above the rim.

Jerry Seinfeld: Adjacent to refuse is refuse.

George Louis Costanza: It was on a magazine, and it still had the doily on.

Jerry Seinfeld: Was it eaten?

George Louis Costanza: One little bite.

Jerry Seinfeld: Well, that’s garbage.

George Louis Costanza: But I know who took the bite. It was her aunt.

Jerry Seinfeld: You, my friend, have crossed the line that divides man and bum. You are now a bum.


26 posted on 08/29/2013 10:44:55 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: YourAdHere
But only evil Walmart doesn't pay a fair wage: Loptmann, who is currently receiving food stamps,
27 posted on 08/29/2013 10:45:11 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Vigilanteman
Horse hockey. If it is in the trash, it is fair game to consume unless the company has a specific published or posted policy against it.

Note to self: Read the article before posting an opinion.

28 posted on 08/29/2013 10:45:46 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: YourAdHere
"Loptmann, who is currently receiving food stamps, claims he had a great relationship with his employees and supervisors."

Rule #1, You are not at work to make friends and forge relationships. Do that on your own time. Time spent doing so is time you are not focused on the customer who is paying your wages.

29 posted on 08/29/2013 10:46:02 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: YourAdHere

There was a time when working in a restaurant you could eat and drink your heart out. The cost of doing business and having low wage employees.


30 posted on 08/29/2013 10:46:51 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The police however are entitled to do whatever they want with said expired sandwich discovered in your trash, regardless of your stinkin policies.


31 posted on 08/29/2013 10:47:56 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: YourAdHere
Headline from another source:I guarantee, if the poor, "starving" employee got sick from eating the purloined sandwich, "HE" would be suing Starbucks right now.
32 posted on 08/29/2013 10:48:16 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: kingu

“Expired or not, in the trash or not, it wasn’t the employee’s, and it was theft.”

I represented a guy who was charged with Theft for taking scrap aluminum out of the trash at his employer’s place of business and scrapping it. The jury was out for less than five minutes before entering a verdict of NOT GUILTY, which under the law is absolutely and unqestionably the correct verdict.

An item in the trash is abandoned property, and the former owner no longer has any right to it whatsoever.


33 posted on 08/29/2013 10:49:45 AM PDT by henkster (If the Feds create an unlimited demand for bastard children, you get an unlimited supply of them.)
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To: Vigilanteman
"I know food is a different animal because safety may be involved, but that doesn't seem to be the case here."

Does anyone know whether the shelf-life of fresh food (e.g., a pre-packaged sandwich or an apple) is based on local health laws or on company policy? But regardless of what it is, I would think that the expiration date is probably several days short of when the item might actually be considered potentially harmful. You do not want to go right up to the deadline on those things and risk getting all your customers sick.
34 posted on 08/29/2013 10:49:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: kingu
Expired or not, in the trash or not, it wasn’t the employee’s, and it was theft.

I suppose it depends where the trash is. If it was put outside, then it's public.

In any event, since the merchandise was no longer able to be sold and generate revenue, I hardly think it reasonable to characterize it as theft.

Doing so strikes me as similar to the idiotic "zero tolerance" policies in schools that cause kids to be suspended for chewing a poptart in the shape of a gun.

Better just to have employees sign a waiver of liability that if they eat discarded expired food and get sick, that they waive any liability claims against Starbucks.

35 posted on 08/29/2013 10:50:19 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Revolting cat!
A good restaraunt encourages employee consumption of menu items. It establishes familiarity with the products in detail which can be explained when customers ask, and it encourages good handling and sanitation practices. ie, What's Good?

I never order from a menu. I either ask the waiter or waitress to order me what they like best in steaks, pasta, or fish, etc......or even better yet, ask the waiter to ask the chef to make whatever inspires him or her? You're guaranteed a fantastic meal.

36 posted on 08/29/2013 10:52:07 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Revolting cat!

I was the bar manager at a country club for 10 years. We had meals automatically deducted from our paychecks according to the number of hrs worked. They just assumed we were eating there so we did. We ate whatever was served at the banquets and if it was just a regular shift with no parties the chef or linemen would cook us whatever we wanted.


37 posted on 08/29/2013 10:52:51 AM PDT by sheana
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To: svcw

way over priced! And their coffee is crap!


38 posted on 08/29/2013 10:57:51 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: rhinohunter
When disposing of expired bread, we had to cut the packaging open before throwing in dumpster.

That is a waste. My Church works with a local Panera to take expired breads to the Catholic Charity for distribution. Yes, they are day old but still very edible.

39 posted on 08/29/2013 11:01:55 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: cripplecreek
In today’s litigious multi lawed society, the employee could probably sue Starbucks if he got sick from eating the sandwich he pulled out of the trash.

Spot on!

When I lived in So Cal still I knew a guy that would go to dumpsters behind grocery stores and collect pastries, vegetables and bread that was discarded then pass the goods out to the homeless.

You would be shocked at what stores throw away because of expiration dates or a wilted leaf on a vegetable.

Now the stores are required to padlock their dumpsters, same goes with restaurants and all because of fear of lawsuits.

40 posted on 08/29/2013 11:02:17 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: henkster

You ARE CORRECT SIR!


41 posted on 08/29/2013 11:03:11 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: rhinohunter

Back in the day, the grocery chain here would set expired baked goods, produce and packaged items out on tables or pallets for anyone to take home for free. No meat or such. Of course, after years of doing this, the government stepped in and put a stop to it. They then started donating the bread to the senior center and the senior center would set out grocery baskets along the street for any and all to take. The government stepped in again and put a stop to it all. Talk about waste. Not once for all those years did I ever hear of anyone getting sick. I doubt they could have been sued (that was before anyone tought of suing over hot coffee) because there were no signs stating they were giving it away. Today, the same store never orders enough to keep the shelves fully stocked and there’s always shelves that are totally empty. I don’t know if that’s due to poor management or they don’t want excess that will be trashed or what. There was another store that would sell dented canned goods or cans that didn’t have labels which I can understand how that would be ripe for law suits.


42 posted on 08/29/2013 11:04:06 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: YourAdHere

Jerry Seinfeld: So let me get this straight. You find yourself in the kitchen. You see an éclair in the receptacle... and you think to yourself: “What the hell, I’ll just eat some trash.”

George Costanza: No, no, no. It was not trash.

Jerry Seinfeld: Was it in the trash?

George Costanza: Yes.

Jerry Seinfeld: Then it was trash.

George Costanza: It wasn’t down in. It was sort of on top.

Jerry Seinfeld: But it was in the cylinder.

George Costanza: Above the rim.

Jerry Seinfeld: Adjacent to refuse is refuse.

George Costanza: It was on a magazine, and it still had the doily on.

Jerry Seinfeld: Was it eaten?

George Costanza: One little bite.

Jerry Seinfeld: Well, that’s garbage.

George Costanza: But I know who took the bite. It was her aunt.

Jerry Seinfeld: You, my friend, have crossed the line that divides man and bum. You are now a bum.


43 posted on 08/29/2013 11:08:27 AM PDT by Alex in chains
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To: Revolting cat!

Yes, we got a free meal at the end of our shifts. Sounds like that guy was saving the company some money.


44 posted on 08/29/2013 11:09:48 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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As sad as it to waste what was probably perfectly good food, they have to do this.

If this employee got sick off of it, Starbucks could get hit with a workers comp claim because workers comp is a no fault (meaning even if you are stupidly doing something, and get hurt, they still pay) type of policy and after so many of these claims, the policy would increase due to their claim rating.


45 posted on 08/29/2013 11:10:09 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: YourAdHere

I worked at McDonalds back in the day when they actually closed.

It was company policy that any unsold sandwiches had to tossed at closing. It became common for the grill guy to take the orders of the employees 15 minutes or so before closing so these items would be “in the bin” at closing time and, as such, subject to being thrown away, yet mysteriously rescued. It was the sole, unspoken, perk of working the late shift.


46 posted on 08/29/2013 11:12:17 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: YourAdHere

during my (thankfully!) brief career in a restaurant that also had drive-up service in high school, the kid who handled the outside deliveries managed to consume all the “wrong orders” that somehow got placed just before his scheduled break time. The outside orders were placed via telephones, so he’d just disguise his voice and call in what he wanted from a position where he couldn’t be seen. Eventually he got caught and fired, but before that, he always put the unwanted food bag in the trash first, under the theory that he would then be free to scrounge it out and eat it.


47 posted on 08/29/2013 11:12:39 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: YourAdHere

Management on a power trip.


48 posted on 08/29/2013 11:15:43 AM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: YourAdHere

Kind of off topic but remember when we used our nose to determine the expiration date?


49 posted on 08/29/2013 11:15:55 AM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: YourAdHere

Just another fine reason for NOT partaking of ANY of Starsucks’ overpriced swill....EVER!


50 posted on 08/29/2013 11:18:07 AM PDT by Tucker39
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