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David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons
BBC ^ | 29.08.13 | BBC

Posted on 08/29/2013 2:39:52 PM PDT by Zajko

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51 posted on 08/29/2013 3:06:51 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Billthedrill

Congress is in hiding. The last thing in the world they want is to have to go on record for one side or the other. It’s one of the few things you could easily round up 430 votes for.


52 posted on 08/29/2013 3:07:21 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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53 posted on 08/29/2013 3:11:38 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Mouton
Second, methinks the guy sitting in the back of the room is getting the last laugh here on our arrogant POS president.

Does the guy sitting in the back of the room slouch? Because if he does, he's definitely getting a good belly laugh out of it. That's one time Obastard is going to regret shooting his mouth off.

54 posted on 08/29/2013 3:12:57 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Williams

The Community “Organizer” in Chief wouldn’t be able to organize a weenie roast.


55 posted on 08/29/2013 3:14:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: tcrlaf

Putin has been on point lately. I hardly think we are seeing a softer, gentler Putin. Instead we are seeing Putin stick it to Obama at every oppirtunity.

There was a time when our only friend in the Middle East was Israel. The other nations were aligned with the USSR. Obama has managed to realign the Middle East in a way that is reminescent of those times. The world was a much more dangerous place, the days of Mutual Assured Destruction

Obama has given the Russians a one up as far as nuclear weapons go. He dissed our oldest ally, Poland, and recently cancelled the final stage of a European missile defense system. A move which made the Russians do a happy dance, I might add.

Obama has not just made a mess of the Middle East. This has gone beyond the Arab Spring or keeping Islamic terrorism at bay.
This has global implications. If he does stumble us into WWIII, God help us all.


56 posted on 08/29/2013 3:18:08 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: muir_redwoods

If it were ever put up for a vote in Congress, it would also be close. I bet the majority of Reps support some sort of military action.


57 posted on 08/29/2013 3:18:36 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Col Frank Slade
Indeed Obama has snubbed and insulted our British allies from day 1.

John Donne said: "No Man Is An Island"

Obama figured it didn't apply to arrogant poofters like him.


58 posted on 08/29/2013 3:18:52 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: Zajko

I am happy to see this.


59 posted on 08/29/2013 3:19:31 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: kabar
I was agreeing with you right up until

Obama is made to look like a fool again on the world stage

He has a ready and waiting sycophant press with press stories of how great his statesmanship was. How he was able to resist the drum beat of war, didn't fall into the mistake the former president Bush did, etc. etc. The press will do interviews with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to prove it.
Someone will nominate him for another Nobel Peace Prize.
And it doesn't matter if Assad gasses 100,000 rebels.

60 posted on 08/29/2013 3:22:05 PM PDT by techcor (leas)
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To: Billthedrill
I have no answer to that question so I'm going to repeat it. WHERE THE HELL IS CONGRESS?

Congress, which in our system represents the sovereign (us), has abdicated or given over its powers to the other branches of the government, beginning in 1913 and winding up some time in the past few years.

Congress is now a strictly ceremonial body, going through the motions of a representative republic, but having surrendered the substance.

In 1941, the Congress said the following: "the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Imperial Government of Japan..."

Boehner's pathetic bleating about Congress being "advised" or "consulted" has it completely backwards. Of course, if Congress WERE consulted there is about as much chance that they would vote DOWN a war resolution as there is that Elizabeth II would refuse the royal warrant.

Congress is an empty shell. And it is OUR power and OUR sovereignty that is thereby overthrown.

61 posted on 08/29/2013 3:23:53 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: UKrepublican

I’m no expert on the (unwritten) British constitution, but I thought that ANY government motion that involved “grave matters” (and asking the sovereign to send in the Forces is such a matter) was, by definition, also a confidence vote.

After all, if the government wants to go to war and the House does not, in what way can that government be said to retain the confidence of the House?


62 posted on 08/29/2013 3:27:27 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

We do, albeit a looser form than the US.


63 posted on 08/29/2013 3:49:09 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Odummer all by his lonesome. Awwww.


64 posted on 08/29/2013 3:50:56 PM PDT by Appollo9919
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To: techcor
Nonsense. You can only spin bullsh*t so far. I watch the German news and read the British press on a daily basis. Obama is a subject of ridicule. He has painted himself into a corner. We will see if he launches a strike or not. I bet he will just to save face.

The only other face-saving measure would be a vote in Congress so Congress can make the decision for him. 9% of the American public supports military action.

65 posted on 08/29/2013 4:06:33 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Williams

Britain - a real democracy at work !


66 posted on 08/29/2013 5:38:57 PM PDT by sushiman ( .)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s a brilliant example of a picture being worth a thousand words.


67 posted on 08/29/2013 6:03:26 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: tennmountainman

Nothing angers me more than the passive attitude of our current congress!! GOD HELP US... THEY ARE MORONS.

I am a descendent of Abraham Clark, one of the signers of The Declaration of Independence and I am ashamed of my country!!


68 posted on 08/29/2013 6:16:09 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: Zajko

I don’t like these “allies” not siding with us. Are we going to have to go at it with just the French at our backs? Our troops deserve more respect. Guess we can call them French Fries again but start with Freedom Muffins.


69 posted on 08/29/2013 6:37:29 PM PDT by conservaterian (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party, but no, if we do that the libs will win !)
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To: pollywog

It is intentional. My Senator, Corker supports this bombing nonsense.
But I bet he is too coward to put his support on record with a vote.


70 posted on 08/29/2013 6:58:08 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Zajko
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71 posted on 08/29/2013 6:58:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: conservaterian

IMO the British go this one right. We have no business joining the Syrian fight on either side. This is a no win situation. Let them fight it out amongst themselves.


72 posted on 08/29/2013 7:01:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Asking congress may be the only way for Obama to back down without losing face. Man, he is such a frigging retard.


73 posted on 08/29/2013 7:04:04 PM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Zajko

Nobody wants to get involved in Hussein’s war to install his Muslim Brotherhood..


74 posted on 08/29/2013 8:16:51 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The GOP, the ultimate battered wife? Or willing co-conspirators?)
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To: Zajko

Looks like the UK is breaking up with us.
O’Bama’s Whirrled.


75 posted on 08/29/2013 8:20:34 PM PDT by In Another Time... (Robert Wone, Hate Crime victim)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Or passed out in the 19th Hole.


76 posted on 08/29/2013 8:23:42 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: Zajko

UK hasn’t been our ally since the Churchill bust was insultingly returned. Thanks, Obama.

That said, the UK parliament voted correctly. It has more integrity than our Congress, much like the UK press does to our MSM. Maybe the Queen will take us back????


77 posted on 08/29/2013 8:31:48 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: techcor

“And it doesn’t matter if Assad gasses 100,000 rebels.”

It certainly doesn’t matter to me...


78 posted on 08/29/2013 8:44:41 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Zajko

Cameron didn’t lose the vote. Obama did. No nation in the world wants to be associated with the incompetence coming out of this White House.


79 posted on 08/29/2013 8:46:11 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Zajko

he only lost by 13 votes. interesting


80 posted on 08/29/2013 8:50:12 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SeeSharp
I don't think that's happened since James II.

You mean James VII?


81 posted on 08/29/2013 8:51:54 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Zajko

Could he have done it anyway? and gotten removed I guess


82 posted on 08/29/2013 9:53:07 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: UKrepublican

It is scary that it was so close


83 posted on 08/29/2013 9:54:39 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Zajko

I disagree. I say blast em, all of em. Or....do we just wait till this present undeterred gas warfare explodes in the USA?

INACTION AFTER THE USS COLE BROUGHT US 9/11

INACTION AFTER BENGAZI AND GAS-IN-SYRIA WILL BRING U.S. ....


84 posted on 08/29/2013 10:11:13 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: GeronL

Difficult to say for sure, as the UK doesn’t have a written constitution.

However, with military intervention in Syria being deeply unpopular in the UK, it would’ve been a big risk, with an election likely 12-18 months away there. In a way this result suits Cameron - he doesn’t have to get involved in Syria, but he can hold his hands up to Obama and say ‘I did my best, sorry...’


85 posted on 08/29/2013 10:43:10 PM PDT by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: Zajko

lol.

Yes, that seems perfect for him.


86 posted on 08/29/2013 10:47:29 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Mouton
What the hell is our Congress waiting for??

I'd like to think they're letting him twist in the wind for a bit. If they act to shut him down, it does give him some cover. As far as what they're waiting for, I don't know, a spine maybe? Hell, maybe the Brits just gave Congress some cover with their 'no' vote. Maybe they'll use it. Maybe pigs will fly. Maybe, well.......

87 posted on 08/30/2013 2:26:47 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: Williams
Hell of a coalition Obama has put together.

The "Magic Negro" stands alone. Who ever is pulling his strings will whisper that a real man goes it alone and his ego (and support for the rebel terrorists) will allow him to flail at them anyway.

88 posted on 08/30/2013 2:46:26 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: DoughtyOne
IMO the British go this one right. We have no business joining the Syrian fight on either side. This is a no win situation. Let them fight it out amongst themselves.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So you're ok with Assad using chemical weapons? I don't think we should enter this thing on either side, just try to stop his ability to gas his own people. The countries that just voted to not intervene are no better than those that ignored the Holocaust in WWII.
89 posted on 08/30/2013 3:35:52 AM PDT by conservaterian (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party, but no, if we do that the libs will win !)
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To: UKrepublican

The only purpose of Labour is to assure Britain’s enemies they will be comfortable after the demise of the British people.

The only purpose of Liberal Democrats is to convince the public they can lift that same turd by the other clean end.

The only purpose of Cameron’s coalition is to hope the previous two are successful while keeping their own hands clean.

UKIP is all about getting out a shovel and cleaning up the yard.


90 posted on 08/30/2013 3:42:36 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: conservaterian
The countries that just voted to not intervene are no better than those that ignored the Holocaust in WWII.

Nonsense, there is no evidence Assad is involved in this.

We have chemical warfare against Americans coming across the border with the narcoterrorist drug trade.

And IF Syrian Pest Control is gassing a few Salafist cockroaches, how is this a problem?

I would trust Bashar al Assad more than I would trust John Kerry.

91 posted on 08/30/2013 3:57:20 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: techcor

What evidence is there that Assad is involved?

And, even if his pest control service is spraying for Salafist cockroaches, how is this a problem?


92 posted on 08/30/2013 3:59:35 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: RetiredArmy

What “bro-hood thugs” on his side? The emperior has NO NEW CLOTHES!


93 posted on 08/30/2013 3:59:56 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: conservaterian
Hey man, they're your allies, not your appendages. They are doing this because they don't think a solid case for military action in Syria has been made. Personally I think they are right.

True friends tell you what they think, not what they think you want to hear.

I would strongly advise having a go with just the French on side, even if they do have more skin in this than anyone else (Syria being a former French colony). Foreign affairs 101 is quite clear. NEVER trust the French. It always ends badly.

94 posted on 08/30/2013 4:34:15 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: plain talk

Not really. Most people voted for him and the unity of the conservative party, not for what he was proposing. Take it from me, a great many of that 272 were very unhappy in saying “yea”.


95 posted on 08/30/2013 4:36:31 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: conservaterian
Man, this Syrian civil war has already caused 100,000 fatalities, but we are only concerned now because someone (and we dont know who) allegedly (and its not certain) killed some folk with gas weapons? If we really were concerned at excesses against Human rights we'd have gone in months ago.

The real story behind Syria is that we are backing the rebels because we want to diminish Chinese and Russian influence in the area and they are propping up the Assad regime. The significance of this gas attack is that it looked like a great opportunity to take stronger action, in spite of all the hand wringing by Western politicians.

Attacking Syria is all about Geopolitics, not gas.

96 posted on 08/30/2013 4:46:04 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Zajko; cripplecreek
Cameron loses vote in parliament to authorise UK military action in Syria.


97 posted on 08/30/2013 4:59:06 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I would trust Bashar al Assad more than I would trust John Kerry. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And people wonder why FR is held up to ridicule at times. Statements like that do NOTHING to advance the conservative cause.
98 posted on 08/30/2013 5:53:04 AM PDT by conservaterian (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party, but noooo, if we do that the libs will win !)
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To: conservaterian

What “conservative cause” would that be defending the traitor John Kerry?


99 posted on 08/30/2013 6:03:05 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Zajko

Hope he loses every vote.


100 posted on 08/30/2013 7:54:33 AM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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