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Leaked documents reveal US sees Israel as a major spying threat
The Hill ^ | August 29th, 2013 | Julian Pecquet

Posted on 08/29/2013 4:46:09 PM PDT by Third Person

The Obama administration views Israel as one of the top spying threats facing its intelligence services, leaked documents reveal. A secret budget request obtained by The Washington Post from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden lumps Israel alongside U.S. foes Iran and Cuba as “key targets” for U.S. counterintelligence efforts. The document suggests Israel does not believe U.S. assurances that its interests are aligned with Israel's on crucial issues such as Iran and peace talks with the Palestinians. “To further safeguard our classified networks, we continue to strengthen insider threat detection capabilities across the Community,” reads the FY 2013 congressional budget justification for intelligence programs. “In addition, we are investing in target surveillance and offensive CI [counterintelligence] against key targets, such as China, Russia, Iran, Israel, Pakistan and Cuba.” The White House and the Israeli Embassy did not respond to requests for comment. The revelations come as no surprise to Georgetown University's Paul Pillar, who retired as the national intelligence officer for the Near East in 1995 after a 28-year career in U.S. intelligence. Israeli spying, he said, has remained a major threat since U.S. citizen Jonathan Pollard received a life sentence in 1987 in a massive spying case that gravely strained relations between the two countries. “Israel should be assumed to continue to have an aggressive intelligence collection operations against the United States,” Pillar said. While much information is collected through traditional political contacts, “I would personally have no doubt that that is supplemented by whatever means they can use to find out as much as they can about what we're doing, thinking, deciding on anything of interest to Israel, which would include just about any Middle Eastern topic.” The issues of continued Israeli settlement construction and Obama's strong interest in reaching a negotiated settlement to avoid a confrontation with Iran over its nuclear program, Pillar said, are two issues where U.S. and Israeli interests “certainly diverge,” he said. Spying, he said, could give Israel “warning indicators” before any public decisions, and enable the country to put its “political machine in action” and get the United States to reconsider. “If I were in [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu's shoes and had his perspective,” Pillar said, “I would spare no effort to try to collect every bit of intelligence I could, in secret as well as openly.” He said the public revelations won't impact U.S.-Israeli relations. “Everything is trumped by political realities,” Pillar said. “Don't expect any statement by the White House press secretary tomorrow that says, 'Oh my gosh, we are really upset with the Israelis for trying to spy on us'. You're never going to hear anything like that, because politically it is hazardous for basically any American politician – and certainly an incumbent American administration – to underscore ... the divergence of U.S. and Israeli interests.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; Politics/Elections; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; cuba; dajooz; iran; israel; lebanon; obamaforeignpolicy; obamalegacy; pakistan; proislamist; propalestinianwar; russia; syria; turkey; waronterror
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Shocking.
1 posted on 08/29/2013 4:46:09 PM PDT by Third Person
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To: Third Person

I don’t believe it either.


2 posted on 08/29/2013 4:47:33 PM PDT by spawn44 ( MOO)
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To: Third Person

What’s shocking is the paucity of formatting and paragraphs.

But, one is compelled a very big yawn.

I’m more worried about those losers known as Germans, French, English and the Chinese...


3 posted on 08/29/2013 4:48:25 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Third Person

You took the word out of my mouth.


4 posted on 08/29/2013 4:49:08 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Third Person

Uh, Israel sees US as spying juggernaut.


5 posted on 08/29/2013 4:49:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Third Person

This administration sees Israel as the enemy. Period.


6 posted on 08/29/2013 4:50:39 PM PDT by sport
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To: Third Person

I worry about the anti-Israel enemy within, the one who has usurped executive power and abuses it at every turn.


7 posted on 08/29/2013 4:50:52 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Paladin2

Obama is trying to make Israel seem “the bad guy”...Goes right along with his Muzzie background...An excuse to turn his back on Israel...


8 posted on 08/29/2013 4:51:51 PM PDT by JW1949
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To: Third Person

Israel knows the truth about Odungo...THEY ARE A THREAT


9 posted on 08/29/2013 4:52:06 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Third Person

The religion and culture of the more influential constituents and their politicians today are different from those of the influential constituents from our nation’s first settlements until about 50 years ago.


10 posted on 08/29/2013 4:54:00 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Third Person

...Pelosi, Napolitano and all.


11 posted on 08/29/2013 4:55:31 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Vendome

Yeah, well, sorry about that. I cut and pasted from The Hill and [in my haste] didn’t preview the copy.

All of the paragraphing was lost in the transition to FR.


12 posted on 08/29/2013 4:59:55 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Third Person

On one side are Patriots, Christians, Jews,
the educated, the wise and the caring.

On the other side is Obama, al Qaeda, and the
Moslem Brotherhood with their crucifixions, beheadings,
cannibalism, now armed with WMD.


13 posted on 08/29/2013 5:00:55 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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14 posted on 08/29/2013 5:06:20 PM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: Third Person

>> The document suggests Israel does not believe U.S. assurances ...

This has been the case for a long, long time. Can’t blame them.


15 posted on 08/29/2013 5:06:32 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Third Person

>> The document suggests Israel does not believe U.S. assurances ...

This has been the case for a long, long time. Can’t blame them.


16 posted on 08/29/2013 5:07:04 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Third Person

When we’re consistently allied with The Muslim Brotherhood and it’s offshoot Al Qaeda, of couse Israel is a threat.


17 posted on 08/29/2013 5:12:45 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Cram black misbehavior down their throats until they change.)
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To: Third Person

LOL

Dunn it plenty of times myself...


18 posted on 08/29/2013 5:12:54 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Third Person
The Obama administration views Israel as one of the top spying threats facing its intelligence services

Translation: Obama has plans that he doesn't want Israel to know.

19 posted on 08/29/2013 5:19:20 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Third Person

I’m sure that Israeli intelligence is as good as it gets.

My bet is that they have multiple sources inside US intelligence agencies. I bet they have at least a couple of sources inside the white house and several inside the House and Senate.

It’s a sure bet that all of the highly technical operations undertaken by US intelligence agencies have technical experts that report to Israel all details. There are no US national technical means that Israel does not understand.

Israel knows exactly what is going on over here.

I’d sure hate to be tasked with handling 100,000+ US employees of the intel agencies and insuring that no details get back to six million smart Jews in Israel ;-)

Take any highly technical system created in the US for gathering intelligence data and it was probably a group of Jews who built the thing.


20 posted on 08/29/2013 5:20:59 PM PDT by Bobalu (Bobo the Wonder Marxist leads Operation Rodeo Clown against Syria)
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To: Bobalu
My bet is that they have multiple sources inside US intelligence agencies.

So do the Chinese, by invitation.

21 posted on 08/29/2013 5:24:56 PM PDT by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein.)
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22 posted on 08/29/2013 5:25:47 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Third Person

Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/29/20234171-snowden-impersonated-nsa-officials-sources-say?lite


23 posted on 08/29/2013 5:44:11 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Third Person

Being Moslem, of course 0bama sees Israel as a threat.


24 posted on 08/29/2013 5:53:52 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Third Person

Of course, this is the same group who feels Christians, Tea Party Members, legal gun owners and ex marines are major threats as well so consider the source.


25 posted on 08/29/2013 7:35:01 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Third Person
I get livid, full of rage when I come across reports of Israel spying on our country. I am a Jewish supporter of Israel and its Zionist perspective but I am an American, first and foremost, jingoistic patriot in a manner that transcends any other of my allegiances.

Assurances from the Israeli government over allegations of spying that span decades with promises never again to engage in such activities, only to be caught again is shameless and sinister and Israel should be punished for such deeds to the fullest extent.

I've also always believed the punishment against Pollard in receiving one of the harshest sentences in history for the espionage committed is one he richly deserves and not be released until he serves out the full sentence.

I must say, it's reports like this that make me so very ashamed of Israel, so very ashamed for the utter betrayal they continue to commit without abandon.

26 posted on 08/29/2013 7:41:12 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: Doogle

Yep. And innocent Americans, let me say intelligent Americans, will be collateral damage.

We may soon learn what civilians felt like at Dresden, Bagdad, Hanoi, .....war is hell. Praying we won’t be able to relate to the citizens of NAGASAKI and HIROSHIMA.


27 posted on 08/29/2013 7:49:52 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Third Person

U.S. intelligence community has 107,035 employees.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060467/posts


28 posted on 08/29/2013 8:11:53 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Third Person

Israel spies on us and Prince Bandar pays the U.S. to do his dirty work.


29 posted on 08/29/2013 8:15:48 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: Third Person

Gee what could have led to that conclusion:

-murdering Iranian civilians and attempting to implicate the United States.

-Shamelessly grovelling for the release of traitorous spy Jonathan Pollard.

-infiltration of American art schools...

Remember the USS Liberty!!


30 posted on 08/29/2013 8:17:08 PM PDT by In Another Time... (Robert Wone, Hate Crime victim)
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To: Third Person
The document suggests Israel does not believe U.S. assurances that its interests are aligned with Israel's on crucial issues such as Iran and peace talks with the Palestinians.

I don't believe 'U.S. assurances' either...

31 posted on 08/29/2013 8:31:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (Chicago's 10 year murder toll exceeds that of all US soldiers killed in Afghanistan..)
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To: lbryce

Dude: We love Israel. Israel loves us. And you’re right, Pollard should have burned long ago. But we spy on each other. We all spy on each other. There are plenty of books and articles about this phenomenon: The UK spies on us and vice versa. France tries to spy on us, and everything that isn’t nailed to the floor leaks out of France. We also share secrets and technology. It’s just how things are. And heck, the posters are right: Obama is a threat to Israel, he’s said it, he’s declared it, he’s proved it. Does that mean we are at war with Israel? No, we just have a crummy President right now. They know it, we know it.


32 posted on 08/29/2013 10:26:15 PM PDT by golux
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To: In Another Time...
Gee what could have led to that conclusion: -murdering Iranian civilians and attempting to implicate the United States. -Shamelessly grovelling for the release of traitorous spy Jonathan Pollard. -infiltration of American art schools... Remember the USS Liberty!!

Ahh, yes! Finally someone has the GUTS to say it! Down with Israel, enemy of our friends in Iran! Ahh, yes, the miniscule percentage of ultra-left Israelis who actually give a rat's ass about Jonathan Pollard, an American, and who hold up a sign from time to time to get on the fawning MSM and anti-Jew websites, constitute "The Israelis!" And worse of all, the infiltration of American ART SCHOOLS! DOWN WITH THE HOOK NOSED GLUE-STICK BORROWING BASTARDS!
33 posted on 08/29/2013 10:33:49 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux
We all spy on each other. There are plenty of books and articles about this phenomenon: The UK spies on us and vice versa. France tries to spy on us, and everything that isn’t nailed to the floor leaks out of France. We also share secrets and technology. It’s just how things are. ===================================================================

Yeah, I see what you mean. You want to take the high moral ground, which I can well understand as you've said; we all spy on each other and it’s just how things are.

If I take your rationale for the ghastly justification in which you advocate one country spying on another whose very magnanimity, benevolence, largesse it owns its very soul to because we all spy on each other and it's just how things are then I can apply the same logic, if that's what you want to call it, to justify murder because we all kill each other and it's just how things are.


I don't know who you think you are. You speak to me as if I'm some wet-behind-the-ears novice of some sort to take under your wing and teach me the way of the world. You are naive beyond words, your morality, scruples, beyond redemption, your willingness to betray your country is an anathema to all, everything I believe in.

I assume you are of the Jewish faith and if so you are a shameless embarrassment to the rest of us deserved of the status of pariah. It's people like you, the duplicitous, ungracious, exploitative persona that festers within, that belie the high moral ground most of us as Jews choose to take in life, things like honor, patriotism, service in duty of, that comes too hard for you but is to the rest of us a noble, divine calling.

34 posted on 08/30/2013 1:40:32 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: golux

Hey, in your snark, you missed the part about attempting to blame America for killing the Iranians, as if it were that Iranians died was what upset the person you posted to.


35 posted on 08/30/2013 2:25:34 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Third Person

And the entire world sees the US as a major spying threat.


36 posted on 08/30/2013 2:39:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Third Person

I’m proud that the US government does not spy on traditional allies -— and especially not on law-abiding, patriotic US citizens.


37 posted on 08/30/2013 2:47:08 AM PDT by Amagi (God Save the Republic.)
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To: spawn44
I don’t believe it either.

I wouldn't discount it all - Israel has a lot of enemies in our country/government. They would be nuts to not spy on us.

38 posted on 08/30/2013 3:21:33 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Third Person

Is this article condemning Israel for spying on the country with the NSA, that spies on the UN and Germany, that has the kremlin resorting to typewriters?

What two-faced, self-righteous garbage.

Thankfully, Israel has leadership who understand the importance of survival. Unlike the offensive spying in which the US seems to be engaged, Israel seems engaged in defensive spying even assuming this article is accurate, so it can anticipate the next initiative coming from the US that undermines its very survival.


39 posted on 08/30/2013 3:49:09 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Third Person
Correction: Leaked documents reveal US OBAMITES sees Israel as a major spying threat
40 posted on 08/30/2013 5:19:39 AM PDT by WayneS (All wars are equal... but some wars are more equal than others)
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To: Vendome

How about every single nation on the planet being linked to spying on the US and vise versa.... It is only natural:)


41 posted on 08/30/2013 6:31:54 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: lbryce
I assume you are of the Jewish faith and if so you are a shameless embarrassment to the rest of us deserved of the status of pariah. It's people like you, the duplicitous, ungracious, exploitative persona that festers within, that belie the high moral ground most of us as Jews choose to take in life, things like honor, patriotism, service in duty of, that comes too hard for you but is to the rest of us a noble, divine calling.

Oh well. I have six years in military service to my country (not Israel.) I don't really know what you mean about duplicity, ungraciousness, and exploitatin but you are right in saying that I, and everyone else who knows what is going on in the world, knows also that it is naive to think that allies don't spy on each other. The difference of course with Pollard is that he was an American. Now: Is it wrong? Maybe and maybe not. Is it unsavory? Maybe, to some. Do you trust your own government wholly, absolutely? Maybe you do. Do you trust others, or allies, like France? Maybe so. These are personal, subjective questions. Objectively, factually, everybody spies on everybody. Sorry!
42 posted on 08/30/2013 7:09:05 AM PDT by golux
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To: lbryce; golux

I believe the phrase is ‘Trust, but verify’?


43 posted on 08/30/2013 7:23:42 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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44 posted on 08/30/2013 7:47:44 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: Third Person
The U.S. spies on Israel, Israel spies on the U.S. Been going on since 1948.

Given the current U.S. regime, I'd spy on us too. Actually if I were Israel, I would assign more agents to the U.S....

5.56mm

45 posted on 08/30/2013 8:03:32 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Third Person
I wish people would quit calling this regime “The US.”
46 posted on 08/30/2013 8:08:48 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Third Person

I always figured they spy on us to see what we are doing as it relates to their security. They need to know, it isn’t like they get clear signals of support from DC.

At least I don’t think they sell info our enemies (the muslims) but who knows.


47 posted on 08/30/2013 8:28:10 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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48 posted on 08/30/2013 11:54:20 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Piranha

Congratulations, (I suppose.) But you did effectively make this a “thinking man’s thread.” Too late, of course! LOL


49 posted on 08/30/2013 3:32:03 PM PDT by golux
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Thanks Third Person.

U.S. counterintelligence targets Israel with Iran and China, secret budget reveals
http://www.jta.org/2013/08/29/news-opinion/united-states/u-s-spies-on-israel-secret-budget-reveals


50 posted on 08/31/2013 9:13:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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